Where do u place Morales Hamed Pacquiao Marquez barrera from each other?

From these 5 specifically who do u have in what Order ?

Pacquiao 1st, Hamed Last, the middle is a good debate.

I actually have Morales higher than manny, i felt his opponents were tougher in his prime than compared to pac and has a MUCH Stronger resume than manny who i felt he fought big names but who were on a down period, even the weight class stuff im more impressed with Eriks Four overall, he always fought the younger guys which i give the oldman credit for..

i dont know if i have Barrera ahead of Marquez

Marquez
Pacquiao
Barrera
Morales
Hamed


with the last two being interchangeable

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

Pacquiao 1st, Hamed Last, the middle is a good debate.

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I agree. With Pacquiao's record and accomplishments it's hard to place him anywhere but the top. IMO

Pac
Marquez
Barrera & Morales (cannot be spilt!! If ever there were 2 even fighters it's these 2)
HAMED

Pacquiao
Marquez
Morales
Barrera
Hamed

After Morales having success in a comeback I can't have Barrera above him. Erik was badly robbed in the Diaz fight too. Should have been a 5 weight world champ.

Naz
Marquez
Pac
Barrera
Morales

Naz is clearly no.1 - he's the only one that unified a division by beating every other "world" champ in his weightclass. His only "loss" was due to a shocking inept display of officiating (Barrera should have been disqualified in the 12th round for violent conduct). And he was never knocked out (only Marquez can match him on this, however, he's been on the floor more than Naz).

It's not even close. Fact.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Naz
Marquez
Pac
Barrera
Morales

Naz is clearly no.1 - he's the only one that unified a division by beating every other "world" champ in his weightclass. His only "loss" was due to a shocking inept display of officiating (Barrera should have been disqualified in the 12th round for violent conduct). And he was never knocked out (only Marquez can match him on this, however, he's been on the floor more than Naz).

It's not even close. Fact.

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Got to admire the dedication to the cause lol.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Naz
Marquez
Pac
Barrera
Morales

Naz is clearly no.1 - he's the only one that unified a division by beating every other "world" champ in his weightclass. His only "loss" was due to a shocking inept display of officiating (Barrera should have been disqualified in the 12th round for violent conduct). And he was never knocked out (only Marquez can match him on this, however, he's been on the floor more than Naz).

It's not even close. Fact.

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When you put it like that how could one argue?

Pac-Marquez (Pac's record is better, I think Marquez is the better fighter all round)
MAB
Morales
Hamed

It's hard to know where to really place Hamed (at the bottom, or not even on the list! Which one? ???), he only faced one of the other guys on the list.

I dunno, he missed all but one of his main rivals and the one who he did fight schooled him stupid. That's the only real grounds for comparison that we've got. Anything else is speculation.

We can give credit for unifying a division, but how much depends on whether you place more value on alphabet titles - or the level of talent holding them.

Maybe if he'd been able to gain 2lbs to take Mayweather's offer of 128lb then we'd have more relevant fights for comparison. I know he is the type of guy who struggles to put weight on, but surely his ungodly heavyweight power should have made 2lbs nothing.

Juan Manuel Marquez
Erik Morales
Manny Pacquiao
Marco Antonio Barrera
Kennedy McKinney
Naseem Hamed

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Juan Manuel Marquez
Erik Morales
Manny Pacquiao
Marco Antonio Barrera
Kennedy McKinney
Naseem Hamed

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I love the way VD keeps bias out of the equation with his decision making.

OFFICIAL RESULTS ON NASEEM HAMED:

So far our distinguished voters have seen it this way on Hamed, from a list with 5 fighters:


5th place: 6 voters

1st place: 1 voter

Notes:

1. One voter didn't even mention Hamed, which could be interpreted as a vote for 5th place.
2. One voter placed Hamed 6th, even adding a name to the list and further dropping Hamed.


The results speak for themselves, gentlemen.

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Yes......... I'm afraid we're all wrong.

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1. Barrera
2. Morales
3. Pacquiao
4. Marquez
5. Hamed

Even though I thought Marquez won the first three fight, in terms of pure accomplishments there are no doubts that Manny is number 1, as for 2 to last. Hamed last the three mexicans a tie for 2nd place :D

I would rank them by how many belts held at one time

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I would rank them by how many belts held at one time

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Why do you think highly of belts?

Pac
Morales
JMM
Barrera
Naz

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OFFICIAL RESULTS ON NASEEM HAMED:

So far our distinguished voters have seen it this way on Hamed, from a list with 5 fighters:


5th place: 6 voters

1st place: 1 voter

Notes:

1. One voter didn't even mention Hamed, which could be interpreted as a vote for 5th place.
2. One voter placed Hamed 6th, even adding a name to the list and further dropping Hamed.


The results speak for themselves, gentlemen.

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Yes......... I'm afraid we're all wrong.

;)

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Three more votes....... three more Hameds in 5th place. Update as follows:


5th place: 9 voters

1st place: 1 voter


With one "no mention" and one 6th place.

No middle ground with Naz as far as that list is concerned.

Pacquiao
Marquez
Barrera
Morales








Hamed

Can Naz really be place amongst those guys? All of those guys have lost or been down but continued on to be great.

Naz lost once and quit.

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Juan Manuel Marquez
Erik Morales
Manny Pacquiao
Marco Antonio Barrera
Kennedy McKinney
Naseem Hamed

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I love the way VD keeps bias out of the equation with his decision making.

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Bias would of had Barrera over Pacquiao. Clearly not the case

I think Naz has a punchers chance in any fight and he was pretty slick. My doubt is when he gets hit (and I know he will get hit by these guys), will he have the heart like JMM had to come back and box?

Too bad he quit and never really prove more. What a waste.

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Originally Posted by blueheart

From these 5 specifically who do u have in what Order ?

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Exceptional question. I'll start with Morales and a small view.

Generally boxing fans have short memories. Part of this instant gratification world we live in.

I can’t think of to many guys in history that would have beaten Morales at 122 although I did think that Mab won the first fight which was at that weight
Not quite as dominant at 126 but pretty close. And I also think that Erik won the second fight against Mab which was at that weight.
At 130 I saw a slight change in Morales even though he did quite well at the beginning but the 122 or 126 Morales would have never let the one armed Chavez of the hook. This Morales beat Manny at 130. Imo Morales went off the cliff in that fight and the Zahir fight sustained that for me.

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From these 5 specifically who do u have in what Order ?

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Exceptional question. I'll start with Morales and a small view.

Generally boxing fans have short memories. Part of this instant gratification world we live in.

I can’t think of to many guys in history that would have beaten Morales at 122 although I did think that Mab won the first fight which was at that weight
Not quite as dominant at 126 but pretty close. And I also think that Erik won the second fight against Mab which was at that weight.
At 130 I saw a slight change in Morales even though he did quite well at the beginning but the 122 or 126 Morales would have never let the one armed Chavez of the hook. This Morales beat Manny at 130. Imo Morales went off the cliff in that fight and the Zahir fight sustained that for me.

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I dont know, I think EM was not motivated in that Zahir fight. He turned up the heat in the end and dominated but way too late to win a decision. I think he was done in, in the second fight with Pac. The third fight he seem to know he was no longer up to the pace Pac would set.

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From these 5 specifically who do u have in what Order ?

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Exceptional question. I'll start with Morales and a small view.

Generally boxing fans have short memories. Part of this instant gratification world we live in.

I can’t think of to many guys in history that would have beaten Morales at 122 although I did think that Mab won the first fight which was at that weight
Not quite as dominant at 126 but pretty close. And I also think that Erik won the second fight against Mab which was at that weight.
At 130 I saw a slight change in Morales even though he did quite well at the beginning but the 122 or 126 Morales would have never let the one armed Chavez of the hook. This Morales beat Manny at 130. Imo Morales went off the cliff in that fight and the Zahir fight sustained that for me.

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I dont know, I think EM was not motivated in that Zahir fight. He turned up the heat in the end and dominated but way too late to win a decision. I think he was done in, in the second fight with Pac. The third fight he seem to know he was no longer up to the pace Pac would set.

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Fair enough. I think Morales killing himself to make 122 caved him in at 130.

Thinking about it, I realize none of these guys got sparked out like Pac did. Pac got stopped three times, two by less accomplished fighter and one by one of the greatest counter punchers after going at it for 40 + rounds.

Having said that I guess nobody went at it as hard as Pac did. With the most guts and glory, I think pac takes this hands down. Dude took on Mab, JMM and Em in order. Sure he went 1-1-1 but who the heck does that? I miss that golden era, Pac sporting Fearless logo with the flame shorts. LEGEND!

Naz
Pac
Barrera
Marquez
Moralez

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OFFICIAL RESULTS ON NASEEM HAMED:

So far our distinguished voters have seen it this way on Hamed, from a list with 5 fighters:


5th place: 6 voters

1st place: 1 voter

Notes:

1. One voter didn't even mention Hamed, which could be interpreted as a vote for 5th place.
2. One voter placed Hamed 6th, even adding a name to the list and further dropping Hamed.


The results speak for themselves, gentlemen.

:deal2:






Yes......... I'm afraid we're all wrong.

;)

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Three more votes....... three more Hameds in 5th place. Update as follows:


5th place: 9 voters

1st place: 1 voter


With one "no mention" and one 6th place.

No middle ground with Naz as far as that list is concerned.

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the fact that people who are also the voters are so happy that Naz is in last , deems the results of the "poll" unreliable on the basis that the opinions of the votes are less than objective :)

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

Can Naz really be place amongst those guys? All of those guys have lost or been down but continued on to be great.

Naz lost once and quit.

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Hold on there just a second there Julius. Naz lost to Barrera yes, but he didn't just quit. He came back to beat the all time great that is Manuel Calvo. If you'd beaten Manuel Calvo, you'd know that you have nothing left to prove in your career. So in all honesty, where else would Naz go apart from retirement? He achieved something great there.

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OFFICIAL RESULTS ON NASEEM HAMED:

So far our distinguished voters have seen it this way on Hamed, from a list with 5 fighters:


5th place: 6 voters

1st place: 1 voter

Notes:

1. One voter didn't even mention Hamed, which could be interpreted as a vote for 5th place.
2. One voter placed Hamed 6th, even adding a name to the list and further dropping Hamed.


The results speak for themselves, gentlemen.

:deal2:






Yes......... I'm afraid we're all wrong.

;)

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Three more votes....... three more Hameds in 5th place. Update as follows:


5th place: 9 voters

1st place: 1 voter


With one "no mention" and one 6th place.

No middle ground with Naz as far as that list is concerned.

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the fact that people who are also the voters are so happy that Naz is in last , deems the results of the "poll" unreliable on the basis that the opinions of the votes are less than objective :)

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Don't shoot the messenger...... just saying it like it is. :)


BTW... you confirmed my bolded statement above. No middle ground. You and Fenster have him 1st on the list. The rest of the civilized world as we know it has him last.

Hameed was a show off and a bully.....but entertaining

Hameed knew is time was up many hours b4 lacing up his gloves to face MAB

His winners mentalaity wasn't what it should have been and retired.....he lost his edge....that is the lasting effect we will all have of Naz.....abit like Tyson (the school yard bully)....if you stand up to the bully the bully will back off.....it only takes that one defeat to dought yourself....Naz knew this and retired......shame cause IMO it was like unfinished business.....yes MAB had his number but Naz could have gone on to future glory.....We will never know!!!


Job Biscuit (LEGACY)!!!!



eh eh!!!

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OFFICIAL RESULTS ON NASEEM HAMED:

So far our distinguished voters have seen it this way on Hamed, from a list with 5 fighters:


5th place: 6 voters

1st place: 1 voter

Notes:

1. One voter didn't even mention Hamed, which could be interpreted as a vote for 5th place.
2. One voter placed Hamed 6th, even adding a name to the list and further dropping Hamed.


The results speak for themselves, gentlemen.

:deal2:






Yes......... I'm afraid we're all wrong.

;)

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Three more votes....... three more Hameds in 5th place. Update as follows:


5th place: 9 voters

1st place: 1 voter


With one "no mention" and one 6th place.

No middle ground with Naz as far as that list is concerned.

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the fact that people who are also the voters are so happy that Naz is in last , deems the results of the "poll" unreliable on the basis that the opinions of the votes are less than objective :)

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Don't shoot the messenger...... just saying it like it is. :)


BTW... you confirmed my bolded statement above. No middle ground. You and Fenster have him 1st on the list. The rest of the civilized world as we know it has him last.

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further evidence that your vote is unreliable

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OFFICIAL RESULTS ON NASEEM HAMED:

So far our distinguished voters have seen it this way on Hamed, from a list with 5 fighters:


5th place: 6 voters

1st place: 1 voter

Notes:

1. One voter didn't even mention Hamed, which could be interpreted as a vote for 5th place.
2. One voter placed Hamed 6th, even adding a name to the list and further dropping Hamed.


The results speak for themselves, gentlemen.

:deal2:






Yes......... I'm afraid we're all wrong.

;)

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Three more votes....... three more Hameds in 5th place. Update as follows:


5th place: 9 voters

1st place: 1 voter


With one "no mention" and one 6th place.

No middle ground with Naz as far as that list is concerned.

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the fact that people who are also the voters are so happy that Naz is in last , deems the results of the "poll" unreliable on the basis that the opinions of the votes are less than objective :)

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Don't shoot the messenger...... just saying it like it is. :)


BTW... you confirmed my bolded statement above. No middle ground. You and Fenster have him 1st on the list. The rest of the civilized world as we know it has him last.

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further evidence that your vote is unreliable

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Ah-ah-ah.... the numbers speak for themselves.
I did not coerce, persuade, bribe, or in any way, shape or form try to influence the voting.
Thus, the validity of the vote stands.

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You and Fenster have him 1st on the list. The rest of the civilized world as we know it has him last.

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There is no right or wrong answer to the question posed.

Therefore, your poll also indicates that two people - Fenster and Eric - are innovative free-thinking boxing intellectuals and nine people are mundane blatant haters. Fact.

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You and Fenster have him 1st on the list. The rest of the civilized world as we know it has him last.

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There is no right or wrong answer to the question posed.

Therefore, your poll also indicates that two people - Fenster and Eric - are innovative free-thinking boxing intellectuals and nine people are mundane blatant haters. Fact.

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Uhh... refer to previous post.

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You and Fenster have him 1st on the list. The rest of the civilized world as we know it has him last.

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There is no right or wrong answer to the question posed.

Therefore, your poll also indicates that two people - Fenster and Eric - are innovative free-thinking boxing intellectuals and nine people are mundane blatant haters. Fact.

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Uhh... refer to previous post.

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Uhh... you refer to the previous post.

Naz haters have zero validity.

I'm afraid you are simply not qualified to vote let alone conduct a poll. Fact.

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You and Fenster have him 1st on the list. The rest of the civilized world as we know it has him last.

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There is no right or wrong answer to the question posed.

Therefore, your poll also indicates that two people - Fenster and Eric - are innovative free-thinking boxing intellectuals and nine people are mundane blatant haters. Fact.

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Uhh... refer to previous post.

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Uhh... you refer to the previous post.

Naz haters have zero validity.

I'm afraid you are simply not qualified to vote let alone conduct a poll. Fact.

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Lighten up. ;)


These are only partial results.
We still haven't gotten Naz's mum or other relatives to weigh in on the matter.
50/50 chance they won't have him 5th.

:)

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You and Fenster have him 1st on the list. The rest of the civilized world as we know it has him last.

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There is no right or wrong answer to the question posed.

Therefore, your poll also indicates that two people - Fenster and Eric - are innovative free-thinking boxing intellectuals and nine people are mundane blatant haters. Fact.

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Hitler wasn't crazy... The rest of the world was!