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I saw him vs Anderson and he was flat footed and not stiff but not the most mobile.
I've seen all his fights since and slowly, fight by fight he's starting to move, throw punches and avoid them like Haye and last night it was like watching a small, white, ginger version of David Haye!
I actually like Haye's style so no complaints here.
Anyone else see the change/similarities?
Yes iv seen it for a while and no its not a good thing.
Haye has absolutely no head movement, he relies on moving sideways around the ring. George was the same and as slow as Johnson was he was still getting caught and the legs went a few times, just like David;D
You might get away with no head movement in the heavies but not in the super middles where they are quicker and put punches together better.
I never thought about it like that. If that was Froch against him, he'd get walked down, considering old Johnson could do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Haye had pretty slick head movement.
When!!!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
Show me a good example pf Haye using his amazing head movement, as in standing in punching range and actually bobbing and weaving as opposed to just walking sideways.
Exactly, hes far to easy to hit. He even tried goading Johnson on the ropes but gotcaught by not one but 3 right hands!;DQuote:
Originally Posted by VendettosI never thought about it like that. If that was Froch against him, he'd get walked down, considering old Johnson could do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Found any examples of Hayes slick head movement yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by rossWhen!!!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
Show me a good example pf Haye using his amazing head movement, as in standing in punching range and actually bobbing and weaving as opposed to just walking sideways.
Degale will beat groves in a rematch and im not a fan of degale.
I disagree, I think DeGale's gotten worse and Groves better since the fight between them.
Agreed. Just look at the level of DeGale's opposition versus Groves'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Hopefully we get to see it for a third time.
The similarities are there for sure. I'm not sure if Groves has the equivalent speed at his weight that Haye does though.
I think in every era of boxing, a dominant boxing style becomes the most popular, in these 10-15 years the ambush style (quoting Dwyer here and his liberal usage of 'literally' :D) seems to be the most popular but as Manny's fading out to retirement or just past prime I think the old school shoulder roll with high upper body movement and minimal lateral control will be prominent.
Nothing particularly wrong with either style but the one inherit problem you'll run into is that since it is shown so many times its much easier to figure it out and counter it, I think one of Floyd's better tactics was perhaps no one really fought like him and therefore a general blueprint couldn't be well formulated.
I actually think De Gale as improved but think he will always struggle with De Gale who just has the mental edge over him.
Yes you have a good point, I have not been to impressed with DeGale of late he does not seem to haveQuote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
improved a great deal at all.! Groves on the other hand, seems to be getting better and you would have
to fancy him to beat Abraham.
Would be a good fight that, not sure who I'd pick. Not sure if Groves could take his shots if he got caught flush.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoYes you have a good point, I have not been to impressed with DeGale of late he does not seem to haveQuote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
improved a great deal at all.! Groves on the other hand, seems to be getting better and you would have
to fancy him to beat Abraham.
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Originally Posted by 0james0Would be a good fight that, not sure who I'd pick. Not sure if Groves could take his shots if he got caught flush.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoYes you have a good point, I have not been to impressed with DeGale of late he does not seem to haveQuote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
improved a great deal at all.! Groves on the other hand, seems to be getting better and you would have
to fancy him to beat Abraham.
Agreed, Anderson's not a banger and he dropped him, and as hugely slowed Johnson just proved Groves is not hard to hit, despite his elusive style.
If he could just take less shots he'd have a chance.
It's like he's still figuring out this style and how to avoid, which is not something to figure out in ring for a world title.
Thats down to Booth that is. He covered alot better and fought far more cautious against De Gale. Then against an experienced world level fighter he goes balls out and gets caught and hurt nigh on almost every fucking round. Booth deffinitly told him to try and stop Johnson early. Like I said, if your David Haye and are fighting slow heavies you might get away with no head movement but even old super middles will catch you.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosQuote:
Originally Posted by 0james0Would be a good fight that, not sure who I'd pick. Not sure if Groves could take his shots if he got caught flush.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoYes you have a good point, I have not been to impressed with DeGale of late he does not seem to haveQuote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
improved a great deal at all.! Groves on the other hand, seems to be getting better and you would have
to fancy him to beat Abraham.
Agreed, Anderson's not a banger and he dropped him, and as hugely slowed Johnson just proved Groves is not hard to hit, despite his elusive style.
If he could just take less shots he'd have a chance.
It's like he's still figuring out this style and how to avoid, which is not something to figure out in ring for a world title.
I agree, like if Froch landed his trademark becoming right hook lunge on his chin, it's curtains.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossThats down to Booth that is. He covered alot better and fought far more cautious against De Gale. Then against an experienced world level fighter he goes balls out and gets caught and hurt nigh on almost every fucking round. Booth deffinitly told him to try and stop Johnson early. Like I said, if your David Haye and are fighting slow heavies you might get away with no head movement but even old super middles will catch you.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosQuote:
Originally Posted by 0james0Would be a good fight that, not sure who I'd pick. Not sure if Groves could take his shots if he got caught flush.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoYes you have a good point, I have not been to impressed with DeGale of late he does not seem to haveQuote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
improved a great deal at all.! Groves on the other hand, seems to be getting better and you would have
to fancy him to beat Abraham.
Agreed, Anderson's not a banger and he dropped him, and as hugely slowed Johnson just proved Groves is not hard to hit, despite his elusive style.
If he could just take less shots he'd have a chance.
It's like he's still figuring out this style and how to avoid, which is not something to figure out in ring for a world title.