Is it Wlad? Vitali? Floyd? Ward?
Is there even one guy that fits even one of these descriptions?
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Is it Wlad? Vitali? Floyd? Ward?
Is there even one guy that fits even one of these descriptions?
I think the terms are different
Feared-Golovkin, Kovalev and Matthysse-They are hard hitting, lots of risk, littler reward
Dominant-Viloria and Wlad-Effectively clearing out their division in recent years, certainly beatable having previously shown their issues, but right now they are dominating
Seemingly unbeatable-Mayweather and Ward-Flawless, they won't instill fear into opponents due to a perceived lack of power but they are more than dominant, they are pretty untouchable at the moment.
Good summary. I would add Donaire to the Dominant set, and before he jumped to 122, I would have put him at pretty much unbeatable.Quote:
Originally Posted by iamasadlittleboy
Agreed Donaire matches that description the most.
For fucks sakes don't say ward looks unbeatable!
If he was made to fight with no holding he'd be getting dropped all over the shop!
He only got by Bika by holding, oh and running, literally! I fucking hate it when these fighters are so shit scared to fight in punching distance because they fear getting tagged that it becomes an acceptable part of their "style" that the hold, headbutt and maul. Like Holyfield and Hatton. (to Hattons credit his last fight he actually moved his head but just ran out of steam)
Infact, id go as far as to say Ward looks the most susceptible to a loss because of his desperate attempts to hold.
If anyone looks unbeatable its Floyd Mayweather, he hasnt been dropped by no bodies or need to hold or run. He can stand in front of anyone and beat them to the punch. Its not going to be a popular answer because its the easiest answer but its just the fucking truth.
I think some of the mystique has been lifted on GGG. I thought Perez would have crashed through the the front door at hev by now but he's to busy shagging Irish chicks. I think Roman Gonzalez makes the list.
Yes what is perez doing he can shag any time, boxing career is short and he needs to move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Floyd doesn't hold, but he does a lot of frustrating things that are related. For instance: putting his lead elbow in your face to smother your offense, using his forearm to smother your offense, when he misses with a hook and your head is down he'll press down on the back of your neck, pushing in various ways and so on and so fourth.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Of course it's not the same as holding, but I would argue that's still in the same vein as holding.
As far as Ward, well, aren't there tactics against holders? Cutting off with angles or simply moving back, things like that? Personally I think if Ward dominates on this tactic, then it's his opponents that are failing to do something right.
Yes @ Roman Gonzalez. On a similar note, what do you think of the bottom divisions (108-120ish)? Do you think it's gaining appeal? Or do you think it'll still be a little while before they get some substantial air time?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
That is a great question and one that has been around a long time. It does not make any sense based on the product on the field but nevertheless the lack of coverage and reward continues. If not for the copious amount of streams around these days it would be hard save a few players to see the little guys on any kind of regular basis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter SomYes @ Roman Gonzalez. On a similar note, what do you think of the bottom divisions (108-120ish)? Do you think it's gaining appeal? Or do you think it'll still be a little while before they get some substantial air time?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
You know prior to fighting Donaire, Montiel never had a pay day of six figures. Before the Morel fight collapsed he was going to make 80 thousand and Morel 20. I think geography is at play here and the fact that Showtime and HBO never travel or want to. Same goes for European broadcasters etc. Everybody seems geocentric. I also think the species is hot wired to think that bigger is better from grade school to adulthood. The big guy in grade 5 who still cant spell his own name is more popular then the shrimp who gets straight A's. Splitting the divisions was almost the final nail with the effects felt much more by the little guys then the higher weights. I think the opportunity will be there to follow the little guys more carefully just do to technology in the future.
GGG feared? I think Not. I'd say Donaire actually, so many boxers just freeze and go in a stupefying defensive shell.
Dominant...hmm I'd say Wlad and Mayweather are pretty damn close, Ward will be but his reign isn't as long as Wlads or as illustrious as Mayweather's (yet)
As for the aura of invincibility, heck two years ago I would have said Vitali but the man's getting old so without a moment's hesitation I'll say Ward. He's a new hopkins.
No! Hes a new Ruiz;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DavilaJones
Even a 48 year old Hopkins wouldn't have looked as delicate against Bika!
Well if you listen to him it is Anthony Mundine........ LOL what a tool. Also I remember Vic Darchinyan saying he could knock out anyone at any weight, and yes that was before Donaire sent him to the far side of coonzbeam. Another guy who only listens to the voices in his head. But on a serious note Maywether would have to be most dominant and seemingly unbeatable but most feared is a hard one, I reckon a lot of guys would have butterflies going in against Sergio Martinez.
Vitali is still a beast in my opinion. His only losses were from his own body letting him down but has soundly beaten everyone put in front of him in impressive fashion.
The top guys who I don't see losing any time soon...
1. Wlad - there's just nobody in the division that I see giving him much trouble.
2. Sergio - same reason as Wlad. I really like what I've seen from GGG so far, but I don't buy him as the guy to dethrone Sergio at this point.
3. Floyd - Ask me this a year ago and he'd be #1, but I've seen signs of him slowin down over the last few fights. I still believe he's the best in the game and wouldn't bet against him, but in the back of my head I wonder if he'll get old overnight ala Roy Jones and get sparked by one of these young bombers.
He's slowed down considerably IMO. He retired at the right time.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09
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Originally Posted by Beanflicker
GGG will be on this list soon.
In the HW division -
If we are talking POWER of punch , ROCK solid chin , 0% body fat , great boxing moves , and of course overall personality , its very hard to look past British HW prospect Tyson Fury.
Yes Al I totally agree with you.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al