Both at their absolute best .... Who wins?
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Both at their absolute best .... Who wins?
tyson smokes lewis in their primes how he smoked---with some difficulty---razor ruddock
Lewis by KO
Lewis. They actually did fight I heard. Lewis spanked him. Powers the last thing to go they say.
Lewis all day long....Lewis was all wrong for Tyson...tall...strong...and too clever
Lewis would have smashed the Tyson legend inside the distance
job biscuit (I still miss Tyson though)!!!
eh eh!!!
Lewis. Lewis. Lewis.Lewis. It's like an uncontrollable urge to keep using his name, Tyson tourettes.
This is so hard to answer! Prime Lewis, may well have been against Tua and he complete nullified everything he had. However, my thought has always been that Tyson would win. I guess it depends on whether Tyson really was a good as I thought he was or if he just never faced anybody that was a real threat :-\
Had zombie Tyson connected with that left hook in the first round of their actual fight this wouldn't even be a question
but he didnt, so it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by tysonbomb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM6QXfdeRMo
If Carlsberg made commentators they would be Japanese
Lewis taking 8 rounds to KO the ghost of Iron Mike lol
It speaks more for how overrated Lewis is and how much heart Mike had to take that kind of beating
Tyson said after their fight, he felt he would never of beaten Lewis, I tend to agree with him.
Of course on the proviso Tyson steps in the ring with Lennox, and not Lewis' alter ego 'Lummox'...
Tyson could still have KOed Lewis at any point in that fight, ghost or not, he still had his power and therefore Lennox's methodical beat down was the right approach, rather than going Gung Ho. If he had've done that he may've won inside 2 or3, but conversely he could've bean knocked out in 2 or 3. So what would you have done?Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonBomb
If a frog had wings it wouldn't bump it's arse when it hopped :)
Steward was shitting himself at Lewis's reluctance to try and finish Mike, he was worried Mike would catch that chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonBomb
If McCall and Rahman can find that chin, the Tyson that beat Holmes would have no problem. Just look at the problems and even older Holmes after and even longer retirement gave prime Holyfield, McCall and Mercer;D That Tyson was special.
Also, dont bring up the fact they fought as proof otherwise, Mike always beat Holmes like was nothing, Berbick and Holmes always beat Ali and Louis never stood a chance against Marciano...
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/389...lewisyoung.png
I read somewhere they sparred and Lewis got the better of Tyson around when this ^ was taken. That's why it took so long for the fight to happen because Tyson's team was ducking him.
This say's towards the end of there sparring sessions Lewis began to get the better of Tyson.
USATODAY.com - Lewis vs. Tyson: The prequel
Would have been an interesting fight to watch but they both peaked at different times so you would never have been able to see them both fight against eachother in there primes.
The ignorance here is appalling
You people are just making shit up nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
Tyson NEVER said that so I doubt you ever even saw the fight.
Tyson said he needed 2 or 3 more fights in order to get ready for Lewis and that he thought he could beat him in a rematch.
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Originally Posted by mattboxingfan
Tyson didn't duck that glass jawed rasta headed clown. Tyson turned pro while Lewis was still in the amateurs and by the time Lewis started making a name for himself by beating Tysons left overs, he was in prison.Quote:
Originally Posted by mattboxingfan
Lewis was scared sh!tless of Mike from those sessions and claimed that he didn't want to fight him because he "was an animal."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVKk6ZURemI
If anything Lewis DUCKED Tyson by hiding out in the amateurs for an extra 3 years and decided to fight Tyson when he was a shell.
Steward was flipping his shit over Lewis fighting cautious ... he knew that his jaw could've been dislodged from his face any moment by a single Tyson punch.
Maybe if you had been around when Mike fought you would possibly have a different perspective. It speaks volumes about your own inability to distinguish the man from the myth that you can not bring yourself to give credit to one of the few people not to krap themselves when facing him.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonBomb
Britkid is lurking in this thread :o
lol you give Lewis credit for beating a man who was nearly 15 years removed from his prime?Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzMaybe if you had been around when Mike fought you would possibly have a different perspective. It speaks volumes about your own inability to distinguish the man from the myth that you can not bring yourself to give credit to one of the few people not to krap themselves when facing him.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonBomb
Berbick and Spinks must be legends for beating Ali then!
I don't get why Tysonbomb made this thread? Anything other than Tyson winning is shot down as completely absurd! If I didn't know any better I would think he is a Tyson fan! ;D
http://thumbs.newschoolers.com/index...&size=400x1000Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonBomblol you give Lewis credit for beating a man who was nearly 15 years removed from his prime?Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzMaybe if you had been around when Mike fought you would possibly have a different perspective. It speaks volumes about your own inability to distinguish the man from the myth that you can not bring yourself to give credit to one of the few people not to krap themselves when facing him.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonBomb
Berbick and Spinks must be legends for beating Ali then!
He made this thread because he is deluded and retarded.Quote:
Originally Posted by mattboxingfan
Prime Tyson knocks Lewis out. I'm pretty sure prime Holyfield and Bowe would have beaten him as well.
Lewis is the luckiest heavyweight in history. He has two big names on his record: Holyfield and Tyson. Holyfield was well past his best when Lewis fought him and Tyson was completely and utterly shot.
Other than that, he got flattened by two journeymen and struggled to beat Ray Mercer who had previously been beaten by an ancient Larry Holmes and Jessie Ferguson! The same Holmes and Ferguson that prime Tyson obliterated many years earlier. Frank Bruno even gave him all kinds of trouble.
Every single name on Lewis' record was pretty much shot and a former Tyson victim.
Oh, and he shut out Tua, a very limited guy who could punch. Big deal.
6'1" Ray Mercer outjabbed him.Quote:
Originally Posted by tysonesque
LOL.
Even Shannon Briggs of all people had him in trouble. Lewis then ducked his way out of the sport after getting the beating of his life from Vitali. And this was just a year after he was beating his chest after beating Tyson. What happened to being like "fine wine" and being the "best now?" :rolleyes:
Here's Larry Holmes on Lewis's jab
HOLMES: No, Lennox Lewis doesn’t have no jab! I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to cut you off, but Lennox Lewis don’t have no jab. He ain’t never had a jab. He got Emanuel Steward and Emanuel Steward was trying to teach him how to jab. He don’t have no jab! Lennox Lewis don’t have no jab, he has no heart, but if he gets started on you he’s got the biggest heart in the world and he’s going to kill you. But I have seen the dog come out of Lennox Lewis a couple of times when he fought, and I don’t think he had it. And he never had the jab! So don’t even put him in there and talk about his jab because he ain’t never had a jab.
Larry Holmes: “Today if I was heavyweight champion of the world I think I’d reign for more than 7 years, I’d probably reign for 10-15 years!”
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Originally Posted by TysonBomb
Lewis.
If Lewis was just a lucky shit fighter why do you even care about Tyson beating him? By your reckoning, Lewis would be just another no-mark on Tyson's already thin resume.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonBomb6'1" Ray Mercer outjabbed him.Quote:
Originally Posted by tysonesque
LOL.
Even Shannon Briggs of all people had him in trouble. Lewis then ducked his way out of the sport after getting the beating of his life from Vitali. And this was just a year after he was beating his chest after beating Tyson. What happened to being like "fine wine" and being the "best now?" :rolleyes:
Only 20 months on from destroying Tyson, how badly shot was Iron Mike in 96/97 let alone 2002?Quote:
Originally Posted by tysonesque
And if Tyson was shot in 1996, how bad is his legacy hurt? As you seem to be suggesting from post Ruddock, Tyson was 'gone'. So in a twenty year career, he was shot for thirteen of them years. That really hurts his reputation when compared to his peers. And this comes from, I am guessing, a fan of Tyson. I dread to imagine what those who do not like him, think.
Some people suggest the likes of Mason, Mavrovic, Akinwande and Grant were undefeated when they fought Lewis. I guess they were mistaken.Quote:
Every single name on Lewis' record was pretty much shot and a former Tyson victim.
And that Tyson/Morrison fight must of been cracker. I really must watch, as I simple cannot remember it happening; my memory must be playing tricks on me.
Lewis.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonBomb
Tyson would beat Lewis prime for prime. Lewis was cautious by nature and he would have fought on the back foot and ensured that he survived to the last bell but with Tyson winning a unanimous decision.
There's a lot to factor in. Both at their primes:
- Lewis was still about 20-25-lbs heavier and knew how to use his weight (it had him getting winded and take a middle round off here or there)
- Tyson was in top condition and had better balance and stamina.
- Tyson moved his head not his just hands; he was hard to hit and when he was hit, he took it well.
- Lewis had already learned his lesson about throwing with guys and was cautious which kept him from getting careless, so he could cut you up as long as he was able to lead at a slow and steady pace.
- Tyson's mind was still in boxing at that point (before the women, drugs, and the leeches got to him)
- Lewis had Steward which negates the Ko loss to Mcall (who was trained by Steward) but not the KO loss to Rachman (Poor training?)
- Tyson had Rooney, Jacobs and other support to keep his head straight.Tyson had less reason to be afraid--he was always mentally insecure but in the right settings (trainer, polished skills, no distractions) he was a machine.
- Is the ref going to allow Lewis to clinch/ hold/lean like he did with Evander to sap away his opponents legs?
- Will the ref allow intimidation tactics from tyson (no arm bars in his prime but definitely forearms).
- Height/Reach would have been an advantage for Lewis; Tyson was no sitting duck like Tua (Who was also 30-35lbs over his prime weight)
There's a lot of stuff to be taken to into account. The more I take into account, the more I lean towards tyson. No annihilation or obliteration. Lewis was good at playing chess when he was given time and space. He knew to pick apart the brawlers and bum rush the guys with the jitters. It just seems that with the prime stipulation, Tyson's stock seems to rise more than Lewis'. Most people don't remember tyson being a student of the game and boxing because all they remember are the one punch knockouts and scared opponents taking a beating, then folding. Make no mistake, many of those guys knew they stood to gain more by beating tyson than losing to them. Don't think they didn't train, try or plot to. Tyson in his prime needed a less specific set of circumstances in order to be successful. He went about his work the same way no matter what the opponent brought. Tyson would have less issues about fighting a Prime Lewis with a height and weight advantage than Lewis would have trying to negate the pressure from a Prime Tyson. Just My opinion.
People dissmiss Mikes win over Holmes but look at this way.
If Larry had not have fought Mike and but had the rest of his career as it happened, beating an undefeated olympic gold medalist, pushing Holyfield, pushing McCall etc.
If someone brought up now, how Mike would have done against Holmes. All the Tyson eevisionists would say, "if am older Holmes can stand up to Mercer, Holyfield and McCall being moe than competative, with his jab, movement and chin, the younger Holmes stands up to the bully and frustrates him to take it to points".
Fact of the matter is, what Mike did to Holmes, I doubt very much that any other fighter EVER could have done but twats chose to dismiss it and forget that Holmes was still a very capable fighter when even older! When he took the fight with Mike, he was only 18 months removed from his second fight with Spinks (Mayweather was retired longer when he came back to beat Marquez). When Holmes came back to show up the nineties heavies, he had been retired nearly 3 years!
Lewis would have struggled with the same Holmes that Holyfield fought. The Tyson that fought Holmes was a vastly different fighter to that, that even fought Rudduck, let alone when he came out of prison having not fought for 4 years or when he finally faced Holyfield and Lewis. They werent better fighters. Holyfield could never hope to have the same kind of result against a younger Holmes.