If Marquez beats Floyd in a rematch, he's the greatest fighter of all times..

Surpasses Ray Robinson and Ali..

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Makes sense.

And if Earth bloats up to 12 times its diameter, it will be the largest planet in our solar system.

I saw maywetaher againt cotto and maywetaher has no timing. Juan Manual Marqueez’ bob-and-weaving/counter-right against the mayor of the fillipines is how the faster Marqueez will elude maywetaher’s over-aggressiveness, lure him in close, throw the right cross to take advantage of maywetaher’s weak timing and inadequate defense, look for Marqueez to KO maywetaher in the 1st rd in a classic mismatch…

The only way marquez might beat floyd in a rematch is if manny is fighting with him...

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I saw maywetaher againt cotto and maywetaher has no timing. Juan Manual Marqueez’ bob-and-weaving/counter-right against the mayor of the fillipines is how the faster Marqueez will elude maywetaher’s over-aggressiveness, lure him in close, throw the right cross to take advantage of maywetaher’s weak timing and inadequate defense, look for Marqueez to KO maywetaher in the 1st rd in a classic mismatch…

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I agree man, if we could just stop Floyd from winning, every thing would be coming up roses. You and I both know Floyd is not worth a shit but he keeps wining. It's fucked up, dude.

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Surpasses Ray Robinson and Ali..

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Is this a joke? If he beat a 37 year old mayweather so what? He is not going to be considered a better fighter then Mayweather - ever!

Perhaps if they were both in their primes.

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Perhaps if they were both in their primes.

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Too bad lil floid didn't want to fight any top 3 fighters in their primes.

Hmmm, primes, let's see, waaaay back in 2001, there was a prime corrales when lil floid still had nerve (lost the nerve next fight after the castillo fight.)
Then you gotta skip all the way to 2007 for lil floid's next top 3 prime opponent in Hatton (with cortez' help).
Does victor ortiz in 2011 count as a Top 3 elite prime fighter?
Then you gotta skip all the way to 2013 and the blown-up 130 pounder Robert Guerrero who is a top 3 fighter in his prime.

That would be 3 wins over Pacquiao, in all 3 phases of his "prime", and a win over Floyd.
I'm cool with it.

Nope

I don't even think Mayweather would give him the opportunity to avenge the loss, he beat him so convincingly the first time there's no point in a rematch.

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As much as I'd like to see it - it won't happen. He didn't come close last time and I don't think Floyd was even trying to put some hurt on JMM.

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Too bad lil floid didn't want to fight any top 3 fighters in their primes.

Hmmm, primes, let's see, waaaay back in 2001, there was a prime corrales when lil floid still had nerve (lost the nerve next fight after the castillo fight.)
Then you gotta skip all the way to 2007 for lil floid's next top 3 prime opponent in Hatton (with cortez' help).
Does victor ortiz in 2011 count as a Top 3 elite prime fighter?
Then you gotta skip all the way to 2013 and the blown-up 130 pounder Robert Guerrero who is a top 3 fighter in his prime.

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You forgot Hernandez, Manfredy & Castillo troll


You could even argue Baldomir was in his prime when he fought Floyd, at the very least he was a linear champion

I think the left hook helped more than Cortez did

For the record Marquez loses to Floyd at any stage of their careers!

Are you purposely trying to establish a record for stupid threads started in a row?

The first fight was as one-sided as they come. Why would anyone even watch a rematch? Styles make fights. Marquez should stay 10 city blocks away from Mayweather. And even if an asteroid struck Earth and Marquez won a rematch with with Mayweather... would it make him the "greatest fighter of all times"? Sounds like a juvenile claim to me.

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Do you think Floyd is better than Sugar Ray Robinson,Joe Louis,Henry Armstrong,Willie Pep,Benny Leonard etc then?

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Do you think Floyd is better than Sugar Ray Robinson,Joe Louis,Henry Armstrong,Willie Pep,Benny Leonard etc then?

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Yea, without a doubt, Floyd is better than Benny Leonard, Pep, Armstrong and Joe Louis..

I know my boxing history but at the same time, I dont romanticize them.. Im not going to say Floyd is flat out better than Robinson but he's certainly better than the rest..

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Do you think Floyd is better than Sugar Ray Robinson,Joe Louis,Henry Armstrong,Willie Pep,Benny Leonard etc then?

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Yea, without a doubt, Floyd is better than Benny Leonard, Pep, Armstrong and Joe Louis..

I know my boxing history but at the same time, I dont romanticize them.. Im not going to say Floyd is flat out better than Robinson but he's certainly better than the rest..

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I rest my case.

Floyd won every single round against Marquez, and carried him as well IMO.
I think Floyd could have stopped him at any moment of the fight.

Marquez did land one good right hand against Floyd in the 2nd round, and we know now one right hand is all it takes this time around with Marquez and his proper training.

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Do you think Floyd is better than Sugar Ray Robinson,Joe Louis,Henry Armstrong,Willie Pep,Benny Leonard etc then?

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Yea, without a doubt, Floyd is better than Benny Leonard, Pep, Armstrong and Joe Louis..

I know my boxing history but at the same time, I dont romanticize them.. Im not going to say Floyd is flat out better than Robinson but he's certainly better than the rest..

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Clown!

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Do you think Floyd is better than Sugar Ray Robinson,Joe Louis,Henry Armstrong,Willie Pep,Benny Leonard etc then?

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Yea, without a doubt, Floyd is better than Benny Leonard, Pep, Armstrong and Joe Louis..

I know my boxing history but at the same time, I dont romanticize them.. Im not going to say Floyd is flat out better than Robinson but he's certainly better than the rest..

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Stupid comments on a stupid thread

Marquez is already a great fighter, IF (take note of the capital letters) he could beat Mayweather then he is even greater. It is a hyperbolic thread title, but if we were to add 'one of the' then it isn't so shameful.

Has Floyd beaten a Duran. Leonard, Hearns, Armstrong, Robinson? If he beats Canelo and Martinez MAYBE...other than that he is at the mercy of his era.

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That milestone accomplishment was preserved for such boxing legends as Joe Conde,
Richie Fontaine, Davey Abad, Tiger Jones, Paul Pender, ect. Hahaha

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Is this a joke? If he beat a 37 year old mayweather so what? He is not going to be considered a better fighter then Mayweather - ever!

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How is this a joke? This is as much a joke as Money coming in huge and exceeding the weight limit vs JMM in their first fight with JMM having no clue how to put on the weight correctly. Money punked him and used the obvious size advantage. All he displayed is a lack of class and how he will not fight a fight he can lose ! If JMM KO'd Money he deserves to be called that. Yet if Money beats JMM again & continues to cherry pick you consider him the greatest of all time? I do not see JMM KOing Money out , however if he were to put Money to sleep the way he did Pac hell he has every right to be considered the best all time. JMM is 40 so why the reference to a 37 year old Mayweather.
A built in excuse? What are you half Pac fan ?

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Mayweathe is an ATG but I agree the competition in his era does not warrant him to be the ATG ..est !!

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Floyd won every single round against Marquez, and carried him as well IMO.
I think Floyd could have stopped him at any moment of the fight.

Marquez did land one good right hand against Floyd in the 2nd round, and we know now one right hand is all it takes this time around with Marquez and his proper training.

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Yeah, and you know Money bent the rules in his favor right? JMM should have just pulled out of the fight but he has what Money will never have integrity ! Now that JMM knows how to get his body to 143-147 I see s more competitive fight but it would have to take place within a year. Money has looked shady lately. This is not stuff of legends:

ODLH would have won the decision had he continued to jab but for some reason simply stopped throwing it the 2nd half of the fight
An over hyped skill-less Hatton
A blown up virgen welterweigh JMM, while he comes in 2 lbs over the limit and did not even attempt to lose those 2 pounds. Then blew up more on fight night i9big over sight / huge size advantage.
A washed up old Mosely
A sucker punch KO administered to Ortiz
A washed up Cotto
A light hitting Guerrero upcoming ........ What a fake ass P4P cherry picking MFer .......... Tired of his and Pac's cherry picking days .... Thank goodness ones reign has come to an end . looking foward to Moneys bankruptcy in the ring.

How is this ATG-est material talk ?

JMM should make this fight, it is his last big mountain to climb, win or lose he should retire after it. It makes sense.

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And if Earth bloats up to 12 times its diameter, it will be the largest planet in our solar system.

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I appreciate the attempted sarcasm, but this just simply isn't true.

The actual number is 1321.5 times to be the largest overall planet.

However it would take 11.2 earths just to fit once across Jupiters diameter. (Jupiter being the largest and larger than all the other planets combined)

Source: Astronomy education.

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I appreciate the attempted sarcasm, but this just simply isn't true.

The actual number is 1321.5 times to be the largest overall planet.

However it would take 11.2 earths just to fit once across Jupiters diameter. (Jupiter being the largest and larger than all the other planets combined)

Source: Astronomy education.

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I knew someone would eventually call me on that. ;D
But my statement is still true.

Note that I specifically said "12 times its diameter". So because, as you correctly put it, Jupiter's diameter is 11.2 times that of Earth, it follows suit that if Earth bloated up to 12 times its diameter, it would be larger than Jupiter. We're talking diameter... not volume or mass.

Hey at least you read it. ;D

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Surpasses Ray Robinson and Ali..

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Do you think Floyd is better than Sugar Ray Robinson,Joe Louis,Henry Armstrong,Willie Pep,Benny Leonard etc then?

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Yea, without a doubt, Floyd is better than Benny Leonard, Pep, Armstrong and Joe Louis..

I know my boxing history but at the same time, I dont romanticize them.. Im not going to say Floyd is flat out better than Robinson but he's certainly better than the rest..

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Disagree. I don't consider Floyd in the top of all-time by any means so a win over Floyd doesn't make Marquez an all-time great, let alone the goat. A win over Floyd would do wonders for anyone's legacy, of course, because he is a future HOF and an amazing fighter.

With regard to Marquez, there are many ways he can better his legacy that don't involve Floyd or Manny. Be real, other than Pacquiao, his glory days were at, or around featherweight. He hasn't faced a top junior welterweight or welterweight (or even lightweight) not named Floyd or Manny. Look at the guys he could face right now that are relative threats near his weight class: Bradley, Alexander, Matthysse, Garcia, Peterson, Khan, Broner etc.

With regard to the historical guys mentioned above, Floyd ain't even in their league on a legacy basis. He can't be. He just hasn't faced enough good fighters to be. He hasn't had one defining win above 135 pounds. When was the last time he cleared out a division like say Andre Ward has at 168? Who in Floyd's career is making the Hall of Fame based on talent and wins? Then consider about the number of guys that Floyd has missed during his career.

There are just too many ways to criticize his legacy for him to be on the same level as the guys mentioned above. Those guys mentioned fought multiple guys who were at the top of the food chain when they fought them. In my opinion, the only way you can have Floyd in your top boxers of all-time is if it is a head to head type of list and you think talent-wise and style-wise he would beat other fighters, but, legacy-wise, he's not even remotely close.

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You are an idiot! That's my first thought.