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Will ONE frigging HW step up to the plate before it's too late?!?
One look around the garbage-strewn heavyweight landscape is enough to know that Wladimir Klitschko will very likely retire unchallenged in any major way. Most of us will be left wanting that one epic fight that could’ve pushed Wlad up higher in the all-time rankings. Looking at some of the ranked fighters today, in no particular order…
Chris Arreola – Very inactive 2012. Already had his chance versus Vitali and came up short. Working his way back, but needs to step it up. And yet he’s already has had his upcoming fight with Stiverne rescheduled to April 27 due to bronchitis.
Bermane Stiverne – Fought only once in 2012 (common theme here). Record made up mostly of bums and losers.
Johnathon Banks – Smallish, no power, Seth Mitchell only good win on his record.
David Haye – Had his chance versus Wlad and blew it big time. Doesn’t want to pay his dues at heavyweight, demanding only a shot at Vitali. Ridiculous.
Ruslan Chagaev – Wlad “retread”, little squirt at 5’-11”, little power.
Bryant Jennings – Exciting American prospect, but with few fights (16-0, 8 KO’s).
Tomasz Adamek – Vitali “retread”, a bit smallish at 6’-1”.
Robert Helenius – Big at 6’-6”, but with few fights at 18-0. Only fought once in 2012. Now scheduled to fight “bum-of-the-month” Michael Sprott.
Alexander Povetkin – Next logical Wlad opponent, but Wlad is fighting the great Francesco Pianeta instead.
Deontay Wilder – Maybe they’ll start looking toward Wlad when the guy’s 50-0 with 50 KO’s, having fought every possible bum off the street.
David Price – A personal favorite to step up to the plate… and then he runs into Tony Thompson, the Wladimir punching bag.
It seems a recurring theme here is inactivity, and fight postponements due to injuries or illness. This further frustrates boxing fans who want to see good heavyweight boxing and someone to truly challenge the Klitschkos.
Another recurring theme is the periodic appearance of a “new and improved” heavyweight hope. The guy that is finally supposed to present a challenge to the Klitschkos before they collect their gold watch and go home. Just for grins, I thought I’d post this link from mid-2011. It was supposed to be the top 10 heavyweight prospects at the time. A couple of the names remain… but the others are probably out parking cars for a living now.
Boxing: The Top 10 Heavyweight Prospects in the World | Bleacher Report
Funny list, huh?
What the hell… we’ll just keep shuffling names around until the Klitschkos retire. It seems no one will ever give Wlad the test he sorely needs.
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Stiverne is waiting on Arreola to get healthy so they can fight. That could be a great fight, hopefully they come to fight in shape and ready to brawl!
Nobody will challenge Wlad it's that simple. He's too far ahead in the game and even the best and brightest young stars won't advance fast enough to worry Wlad.
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Stiverne is waiting on Arreola to get healthy so they can fight. That could be a great fight, hopefully they come to fight in shape and ready to brawl!
Nobody will challenge Wlad it's that simple. He's too far ahead in the game and even the best and brightest young stars won't advance fast enough to worry Wlad.
If someone like Wilder or David Price could hit Wlad on the chin then I bet that'd worry him a lot ;D;)
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Stiverne is waiting on Arreola to get healthy so they can fight. That could be a great fight, hopefully they come to fight in shape and ready to brawl!
Nobody will challenge Wlad it's that simple. He's too far ahead in the game and even the best and brightest young stars won't advance fast enough to worry Wlad.
If someone like Wilder or David Price could hit Wlad on the chin then I bet that'd worry him a lot ;D;)
At least that would be fun whilst it lasts, throw in Seth Mitchell for good measure too. You never know they may hit the jackpot.
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Stiverne is waiting on Arreola to get healthy so they can fight. That could be a great fight, hopefully they come to fight in shape and ready to brawl!
Nobody will challenge Wlad it's that simple. He's too far ahead in the game and even the best and brightest young stars won't advance fast enough to worry Wlad.
If someone like Wilder or David Price could hit Wlad on the chin then I bet that'd worry him a lot ;D;)
Yes but that's an irrelevant statement.
Because if I hit Wlad on the chin it'd cause him serious problems.
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Wlad only fights guys straight out of the hospital
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Stiverne is waiting on Arreola to get healthy so they can fight. That could be a great fight, hopefully they come to fight in shape and ready to brawl!
Nobody will challenge Wlad it's that simple. He's too far ahead in the game and even the best and brightest young stars won't advance fast enough to worry Wlad.
If someone like Wilder or David Price could hit Wlad on the chin then I bet that'd worry him a lot ;D;)
Yes but that's an irrelevant statement.
Because if I hit Wlad on the chin it'd cause him serious problems.
Don't flatter yourself, but I get the point ;D
Thing is, Wilder is too raw and Price is coming off of a highly improbable KO loss.
Mitchell is coming off of a less improbable, but still upset KO loss.
Like Master said though, if they hit the jackpot it sure would be fun to watch.
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Wladimir Klitschko ducked James Toney. If you haven't beaten James Toney at HW and he was active at the time then you are not all that. Manny Steward always knew that Toney was to be avoided at all costs and both of the brothers did just that. It is obvious that they knew Toney was only ever going to make them look sloppy. They are slimey and nobody wants to fight them because they enslave their opponents with stupid contracts.
HW is a rubbish division with no depth, meaning, nor narrative. It is a black hole with nowhere to go and thus people gave up paying attention long ago. Other divisions are full of exciting stars. Who cares about a formerly exciting division that is now effectively defunct and null?
Who is the next guy? Michaelangelo Peanut? Who the heck is Michaelangelo Peanut? Only the Bus Driver's Union has any evidence of the mans existence and seemingly the death records of some people he hit. It's a nonsense, it really is. "Fight Wlad and we will get you off the city centre route". That is just not what title fight contracts should be all about.
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Wladimir Klitschko ducked James Toney. If you haven't beaten James Toney at HW and he was active at the time then you are not all that.
So by your logic, is Sam Peter an all time great?
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Toney made Sam Peters look like shit in their first fight, and got robbed.
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Not only does Wlad have good power but he's just flat out a better boxer than every other fighter in the division and not just "by a little bit" he's WELL ahead of the field, that is just the reality of the division. Even people saying "Vitali looks old" or "Vitali looks slow" aren't suggesting that anyone will really test him, they throw in qualifiers "maybe", "might", "if"....but nobody says "will beat".
David Price got wrecked by a guy Wlad KO'd twice and the second fight was just a complete "You do not belong in the same ring as me" statement ass whupping.
Wilder could eventually get to where Wlad is, but he's got a LOT of work ahead of him, not fighting better fighters (which also is a must) but honing his craft....the kid is just too raw right now.
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To be fair to Wlad, it must suck that he's going to be taking on a young 6'5'', 250lb 28-0 southpaw and people are talking about it like he's going to fight Dustin Diamond.
Who knows how many of the so-called contenders listed above either turned him down or are already scheduled to fight other people.
Who knows, maybe this kid will show us something.
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To be fair to Wlad, it must suck that he's going to be taking on a young 6'5'', 250lb 28-0 southpaw and people are talking about it like he's going to fight Dustin Diamond.
Who knows how many of the so-called contenders listed above either turned him down or are already scheduled to fight other people.
Who knows, maybe this kid will show us something.
It happens to all champions in their day, some more than others. I can't help but think if Wlad was American or British he'd be emensely popular. The guy has dated actresses, he's a doctor, he's politically aware & active, he's a charismatic guy (yeah I'm sure I'll take heat for saying that but those things are true), he's not the typical muscle head athlete....in America if we had a heavyweight champion like that ESPN would be wetting themselves with excitement covering him asking questions like "When will he run for President?" and "Could he beat Ali?" you must understand once ESPN gets their hooks onto something like that there's no telling how far down the rabbit hole they are willing to go (see Tim Tebow, Manti Teo, Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, Tiger Woods, Danica Patrick, et al).
People don't like Wlad's style of fighting, fine to each their own, I understand completely, I'm picky about the fighters I like too. But to drone on and on and on about a boxer who was completely different in style, upbringing, ability, physical size, etc it just doesn't make any sense....you want Wlad who isn't as strong in the chin department as other fighters to fight toe to toe, you want him to fight in a crouch, to take all his mental and physical advantages & experience and just brush it aside and be a brawler.....you wouldn't ask that of any other person in any other sport. You wouldn't tell Leo Messi to play CB, you wouldn't tell Andre Johnson to play linebacker, you wouldn't have Lebron James play Center, you wouldn't have Sidney Crosby play goalie....those guys are all extremely talented and they probably COULD play those positions, but their Gatural abilities and strengths make them best suited for playing where they currently play. You don't ask Floyd Mayweather to fight like Marvin Hagler and you shouldn't be asking Wlad to fight like Tyson...Wlad fights how he is comfortable, it's up to the opponent to break him out of that comfort zone and either the opponents aren't able or willing to do that.
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nice thread. you should add Fury to the list and Pulev
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nice thread. you should add Fury to the list and Pulev
Thanks for the observation, you're right. Fury has youth and size on his side. Pulev is a cagey enough fighter... but somehow I don't see him being able to stand in there with a Klitschko. One thing that stands out is the low number of pro fights at his age. In Fury's case... he's got to be careful he doesn't run into a "Tony Thompson" on his way up. Hopefully, one or two legitimate threats to the Klits will clearly emerge in the next year and a half or so.
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To be fair to Wlad, it must suck that he's going to be taking on a young 6'5'', 250lb 28-0 southpaw and people are talking about it like he's going to fight Dustin Diamond.
Who knows how many of the so-called contenders listed above either turned him down or are already scheduled to fight other people.
Who knows, maybe this kid will show us something.
It happens to all champions in their day, some more than others. I can't help but think if Wlad was American or British he'd be emensely popular. The guy has dated actresses, he's a doctor, he's politically aware & active, he's a charismatic guy (yeah I'm sure I'll take heat for saying that but those things are true), he's not the typical muscle head athlete....in America if we had a heavyweight champion like that ESPN would be wetting themselves with excitement covering him asking questions like "When will he run for President?" and "Could he beat Ali?" you must understand once ESPN gets their hooks onto something like that there's no telling how far down the rabbit hole they are willing to go (see Tim Tebow, Manti Teo, Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, Tiger Woods, Danica Patrick, et al).
People don't like Wlad's style of fighting, fine to each their own, I understand completely, I'm picky about the fighters I like too. But to drone on and on and on about a boxer who was completely different in style, upbringing, ability, physical size, etc it just doesn't make any sense....you want Wlad who isn't as strong in the chin department as other fighters to fight toe to toe, you want him to fight in a crouch, to take all his mental and physical advantages & experience and just brush it aside and be a brawler.....you wouldn't ask that of any other person in any other sport. You wouldn't tell Leo Messi to play CB, you wouldn't tell Andre Johnson to play linebacker, you wouldn't have Lebron James play Center, you wouldn't have Sidney Crosby play goalie....those guys are all extremely talented and they probably COULD play those positions, but their Gatural abilities and strengths make them best suited for playing where they currently play. You don't ask Floyd Mayweather to fight like Marvin Hagler and you shouldn't be asking Wlad to fight like Tyson...Wlad fights how he is comfortable, it's up to the opponent to break him out of that comfort zone and either the opponents aren't able or willing to do that.
lmao
Was Holmes popular? He was American and nobody cared ... he was relatively obscure compared to past heavyweight champions. Wlad has a nonsense doctorate in "Sports Science." I'm not slamming any doctorate degree (I've come to realize that they're all rigorous ever since I started med school) but its meaningless.
I do agree that Wlad being non American or non British makes him less popular but the point is that he literally fights scared. Freaking cruiserweights have this guy shitting himself ... I mean, how many times did he clinch a senile and decrepit Mormeck?? And if IIRC, he clinched Sam Peter nearly 100 times in their first fight.
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lmao
Was Holmes popular? He was American and nobody cared ... he was relatively obscure compared to past heavyweight champions. Wlad has a nonsense doctorate in "Sports Science." I'm not slamming any doctorate degree (I've come to realize that they're all rigorous ever since I started med school) but its meaningless.
I do agree that Wlad being non American or non British makes him less popular but the point is that he literally fights scared. Freaking cruiserweights have this guy shitting himself ... I mean, how many times did he clinch a senile and decrepit Mormeck?? And if IIRC, he clinched Sam Peter nearly 100 times in their first fight.
Larry Holmes was popular enough I'd say, sure he was "the guy after Ali" so I'm certain nobody allowed him to forget that. But the guy was well known, people followed his career, went to his fights, and yeah he (like Wladimir) had a division devoid of true threats.
You say "Wlad fights scared"....if he was "scared" he wouldn't be in the ring to begin with now would he? Wlad likes to avoid getting hit in the head and he fights accordingly. Perhaps David Price should follow suit...also it'll catch up with Tyson Fury soon enough as well. These heavyweights are bigger than they have ever been, they're fast, they're athletic, and it probably doesn't tickle if you get punched in the face by one.
As for the clinching, Wlad has longer arms than most of his opponents and therefore it benefits him to not be in so close. Also Wlad is bigger and uses his size to wear down on a fighter. Tyson used his size to his advantage as well...you don't see anyone bitching about that? Well why didn't Tyson ever fight from the outside? He always had to get in so close before punching, rabble rabble rabble!!!!
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In my opinion, they are saving Wilder for the post-Klitschko era. He has the chance to be a mega star in the US. So, they'll have him hone his craft fighting below average fighters for a while. No rush.
The truth is that there is no one out there that would be a good challenge for Wladimir. Povetkin is the best fight to make, but it's not like he's on a different level compared with the other guys in the division.
Assuming the Povetkin fight can't be made, out of the available guys, Wladimir should face the Arreola/Stiverne winner, Kubrat Pulev, Malik Scott, and Tyson Fury (assuming he beats Cunningham).
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Was Holmes popular? He was American and nobody cared ... he was relatively obscure compared to past heavyweight champions. Wlad has a nonsense doctorate in "Sports Science." I'm not slamming any doctorate degree (I've come to realize that they're all rigorous ever since I started med school) but its meaningless.
I do agree that Wlad being non American or non British makes him less popular but the point is that he literally fights scared. Freaking cruiserweights have this guy shitting himself ... I mean, how many times did he clinch a senile and decrepit Mormeck?? And if IIRC, he clinched Sam Peter nearly 100 times in their first fight.
Well Kabong said Wlad would be popular if he was American because he is...
1) Charismatic
2) Educated
3) Involved romantically with mainstream celebrities
4) Politically aware and active
How does Holmes fall into any of these catagories? He was an obnoxious blowhard with the charisma of a dinner plate, who loved to toot his own horn whenever he could. People hated him already for whipping Ali and disrespecting Marciano. He was also a grade 7 dropout.
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This "fighting scared" stuff is rediculously stupid. Watch the David Haye fight: he took the center of the ring and he was the one moving forward pretty much the whole fight.
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I've stopped waiting for Wlad to lose and just wanting quailty heavyweight match ups. They are there. If you look at a rung or two under Wlad its very active with some potential for division and the fact Wlad can completely dictate who-what he fights and makes money hand over fists in his comfort zone he'll retire before he takes on some of these 'perceived' threats who are just beginning to sort each other out.
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I've stopped waiting for Wlad to lose and just wanting quailty heavyweight match ups. They are there. If you look at a rung or two under Wlad its very active with some potential for division and the fact Wlad can completely dictate who-what he fights and makes money hand over fists in his comfort zone he'll retire before he takes on some of these 'perceived' threats who are just beginning to sort each other out.
I agree. The problem with these "threats" is that they are either a) being brought along too slowly (a.k.a. - Wilder), b) they keep stumbling over themselves on the way to a possible title shot (Mitchell, Price), or c) they fight once a year, if that much. At this rate, Wlad will retire without a serious challenge. It's frustrating, because people will point to the Sam Peter fights.... but in all seriousness Wlad has never had that epic fight that would push him completely over the top.
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I agree. The problem with these "threats" is that they are either a) being brought along too slowly (a.k.a. - Wilder), b) they keep stumbling over themselves on the way to a possible title shot (Mitchell, Price), or c) they fight once a year, if that much. At this rate, Wlad will retire without a serious challenge. It's frustrating, because people will point to the Sam Peter fights.... but in all seriousness Wlad has never had that epic fight that would push him completely over the top.
Is that Wlad's fault or someone elses?
Wlad is the ultimate professional, the dude shows up to fight in amazing shape, mentally & psychologically prepared, and much like another heavyweight his opponents are pretty much beaten before they step in the ring. The guy GAINS weight for fights, that's how dedicated of a champion he is...regardless of anything else, that dedication to be 100% ALL IN with the fight game is impressive.
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I agree. The problem with these "threats" is that they are either a) being brought along too slowly (a.k.a. - Wilder), b) they keep stumbling over themselves on the way to a possible title shot (Mitchell, Price), or c) they fight once a year, if that much. At this rate, Wlad will retire without a serious challenge. It's frustrating, because people will point to the Sam Peter fights.... but in all seriousness Wlad has never had that epic fight that would push him completely over the top.
Is that Wlad's fault or someone elses?
Wlad is the ultimate professional, the dude shows up to fight in amazing shape, mentally & psychologically prepared, and much like another heavyweight his opponents are pretty much beaten before they step in the ring. The guy GAINS weight for fights, that's how dedicated of a champion he is...regardless of anything else, that dedication to be 100% ALL IN with the fight game is impressive.
The straight forward answer is that it's not Wlad's fault, until the day he ducks a real challenger. But given the state of the division now and for the past several years, no real challenger has emerged, and Wlad hasn't been perceived of ducking anyone (nor does he need to). Wlad's conditioning for fights is something to be praised, especially when one sees the tubs of lard that pass themselves off as heavyweights nowadays.
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This..... is what passes for heavyweight division news nowadays (copied it off the heavyweight schedule thread).
Nothing else need be said......
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Was Holmes popular? He was American and nobody cared ... he was relatively obscure compared to past heavyweight champions. Wlad has a nonsense doctorate in "Sports Science." I'm not slamming any doctorate degree (I've come to realize that they're all rigorous ever since I started med school) but its meaningless.
I do agree that Wlad being non American or non British makes him less popular but the point is that he literally fights scared. Freaking cruiserweights have this guy shitting himself ... I mean, how many times did he clinch a senile and decrepit Mormeck?? And if IIRC, he clinched Sam Peter nearly 100 times in their first fight.
Well Kabong said Wlad would be popular if he was American because he is...
1) Charismatic
2) Educated
3) Involved romantically with mainstream celebrities
4) Politically aware and active
How does Holmes fall into any of these catagories? He was an obnoxious blowhard with the charisma of a dinner plate, who loved to toot his own horn whenever he could. People hated him already for whipping Ali and disrespecting Marciano. He was also a grade 7 dropout.
Trust me, if Wlad was from the US or UK, his popularity wouldn't be as high up there as you think.
Also, what charisma? I don't sense any of that from him ... although I will submit to the second two points. And its Vitali who is more involved in politics than Wlad, he just lost an election for mayor of Kiev IIRC.
The point is that he doesn't entertain in the ring ... he's dead scared of anything coming close to his chin and will never let his hands go or exchange with his opponent. He's robotic and stiff. The way he fights doesn't seem natural ... he's literally like a programmed machine who rehearses what he was taught. He doesn't have boxing instinct.
He would be more popular in America, but only due to his dominance and his terrible chin. But he wouldn't be a household name and he would probably be less popular globally, unless you mean he would be Ukranian American.
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This..... is what passes for heavyweight division news nowadays (copied it off the heavyweight schedule thread).
Nothing else need be said......
How though? The same guy hoping for a fight with Toney now aka a faded fat slob who throws out his back getting off the sofa to make sure his pizza rolls don't burn also said he basically isn't ready for Price who was just ko'd ? Its only the name of Toney that draws flies attention to this one.
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Trust me, if Wlad was from the US or UK, his popularity wouldn't be as high up there as you think.
Also, what charisma? I don't sense any of that from him ... although I will submit to the second two points. And its Vitali who is more involved in politics than Wlad, he just lost an election for mayor of Kiev IIRC.
The point is that he doesn't entertain in the ring ... he's dead scared of anything coming close to his chin and will never let his hands go or exchange with his opponent. He's robotic and stiff. The way he fights doesn't seem natural ... he's literally like a programmed machine who rehearses what he was taught. He doesn't have boxing instinct.
He would be more popular in America, but only due to his dominance and his terrible chin. But he wouldn't be a household name and he would probably be less popular globally, unless you mean he would be Ukranian American.
....ummm he's a dominant heavyweight champion who doesn't beat or rape women. He has a vocabulary higher than that of a 3rd grader. He was a model for Hugo Boss. When I say he's "politically aware & active" I don't mean he's running for office, I mean he has some causes he supports UNESCO (United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization) for one.
What Charisma?!?!? He's a funny dude, he makes fun of himself, other people, he's an affable fellow...he's one of the few boxers that the average person would be like "Yeah, I wouldn't mind grabbing a beer with that guy"
Oh but I suppose Mike Tyson & Ike Ibeabuchi were just AWESOME to be around :-\
Plus if you knew how apeshit the American media went over Gerry Cooney & Tommy Morrison then PERHAPS you'd get a bit of an idea about what they would do for a boxer who is actually good
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Trust me, if Wlad was from the US or UK, his popularity wouldn't be as high up there as you think.
Also, what charisma? I don't sense any of that from him ... although I will submit to the second two points. And its Vitali who is more involved in politics than Wlad, he just lost an election for mayor of Kiev IIRC.
The point is that he doesn't entertain in the ring ... he's dead scared of anything coming close to his chin and will never let his hands go or exchange with his opponent. He's robotic and stiff. The way he fights doesn't seem natural ... he's literally like a programmed machine who rehearses what he was taught. He doesn't have boxing instinct.
He would be more popular in America, but only due to his dominance and his terrible chin. But he wouldn't be a household name and he would probably be less popular globally, unless you mean he would be Ukranian American.
....ummm he's a dominant heavyweight champion who doesn't beat or rape women. He has a vocabulary higher than that of a 3rd grader. He was a model for Hugo Boss. When I say he's "politically aware & active" I don't mean he's running for office, I mean he has some causes he supports UNESCO (United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization) for one.
What Charisma?!?!? He's a funny dude, he makes fun of himself, other people, he's an affable fellow...he's one of the few boxers that the average person would be like "Yeah, I wouldn't mind grabbing a beer with that guy"
Oh but I suppose Mike Tyson & Ike Ibeabuchi were just AWESOME to be around :-\
Plus if you knew how apeshit the American media went over Gerry Cooney & Tommy Morrison then PERHAPS you'd get a bit of an idea about what they would do for a boxer who is actually good
3rd grade vocabulary? Are you serious??
Tyson has a better vocabulary than any of the kitturds, if you've heard him speak (when serious) you would notice that. I'd venture to say he had a more extensive and broad vocab than any boxer ever. I'd also say that he probably has more pure boxing knowledge than anyone around, especially in regards to the history of the sport.
And you're reaching for shit now with Wlad supporting UNESCO. UNESCO isn't a political organization, its an educational agency. It has nothing to do with politics at all, despite the fact that it is funded by the UN, and Wlad supporting it doesn't mean shit ... theres a bunch of athletes and famous people involved in stuff like that. Wlad supporting an educational, anthropological agency funded by the UN doesn't make him involved in politics at all ... or education, or even anthropology.
He's probably a cool dude but I could care less if he was a model or not ... its his performance in the ring that is lacking.
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Tyson has a better vocabulary than any of the kitturds, if you've heard him speak (when serious) you would notice that. I'd venture to say he had a more extensive and broad vocab than any boxer ever.
Yeah, Mike was a regular silver-tongued politician.
"I want to kill people. I want to rip their stomachs out and eat their children"
"I'm 36 going on 36"
"I guess I'm gonna fade into Bolivian"
HAHAHAHAHAH fuckin Mike what a goof
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo99ECSTd3o :-X
Mike fights through serious pain...come on now guys!
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Sorry, but i agree with some of the comments about Wlad being in shape for all his fights and he does seem like a nice person.
I have to say though that if WLAD was called CHAD and was american there would be a great difference in the way he was viewed.
As well as being bigger, fitter and stronger than all his opponents he does have that scared look when fighting and only audley harrison has that same look..not being negative but its true.
This should not take away the fact he uses his jab well, but unfortunately he is haunted by the losses he had and im afraid a game green deontay wilder would end his career in three rounds but thats a risk Wlad will never take.
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Yeah Mike Tyson fucking MENSA member :rolleyes:
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Stiverne is waiting on Arreola to get healthy so they can fight. That could be a great fight, hopefully they come to fight in shape and ready to brawl!
Nobody will challenge Wlad it's that simple. He's too far ahead in the game and even the best and brightest young stars won't advance fast enough to worry Wlad.
If someone like Wilder or David Price could hit Wlad on the chin then I bet that'd worry him a lot ;D;)
Yes but that's an irrelevant statement.
Because if I hit Wlad on the chin it'd cause him serious problems.
Don't flatter yourself, but I get the point ;D
Thing is, Wilder is too raw and Price is coming off of a highly improbable KO loss.
Mitchell is coming off of a less improbable, but still upset KO loss.
Like Master said though, if they hit the jackpot it sure would be fun to watch.
Not to nitpick when it's not really the point of the thread, but Tony Thompson was a long time top 10 heavyweight who's really big and Jonathon Banks is a smallish ex-cruiserweight who'd been ko'd in his only notably fight in that division. I wouldn't say Prices loss was worse than Mitchells for a highly favoured fighter.
Anyhow, really the only fight that'd be a good match on paper would be Wlad-Povetkin, and in reality Wlad's just too big for him. It'd seem one side or the other really doesn't want that fight seeing as Povetkin became Wlads mandatory more than 4 bleeding years ago and they still haven't fought.
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I thought Perez was going to start to steamroll and get into a position to challenge. Perhaps he's drunk with freedom. Maybe Sturm is sitting on him but dam I was starting to have Savon flashbacks. Whats he waiting for? If the division gets anymore ripe it will be top soil.
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Tyson has a better vocabulary than any of the kitturds, if you've heard him speak (when serious) you would notice that. I'd venture to say he had a more extensive and broad vocab than any boxer ever.
Yeah, Mike was a regular silver-tongued politician.
"I want to kill people. I want to rip their stomachs out and eat their children"
"I'm 36 going on 36"
"I guess I'm gonna fade into Bolivian"
HAHAHAHAHAH fuckin Mike what a goof
being on a cocktail of drugs and alcohol abuse will make anyone sound like that, especially when trying to sell a fight
Mike wasn't a MENSA member but the man did have a very good vocabulary.
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The real challengers to Wlad are aiming for the WBC title that is being held by Vitali who is on the verge of retiring. The super heavies like Tyson Fury and Price (eventually) will be the real challenges to Wlad when they get their hands on the title and try to unify it.
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The real challengers to Wlad are aiming for the WBC title that is being held by Vitali who is on the verge of retiring. The super heavies like Tyson Fury and Price (eventually) will be the real challenges to Wlad when they get their hands on the title and try to unify it.
Wlad probably has an iron clad contract in place to have first crack at his brothers title.
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The real challengers to Wlad are aiming for the WBC title that is being held by Vitali who is on the verge of retiring. The super heavies like Tyson Fury and Price (eventually) will be the real challenges to Wlad when they get their hands on the title and try to unify it.
Wlad probably has an iron clad contract in place to have first crack at his brothers title.
Probably but hope some super heavy wins it first and makes some defenses and then gives Wlad a real good challenge.
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The level of competition is beneath Wladimir, it just is. Wlad will keep on defending his titles and catching hell because nobody is as dedicated to their craft or as skilled at their craft as he is...just the truth right now.
Now Klitschko's aside, this division is very competitive and there are fights everyone will like to see because you don't already know the outcome. Arreola-Stiverne is one I want to see (especially if they come to fight in shape), I think Wilder vs Fury should be made sooner rather than later or Jennings vs Fury, Jennings vs Povetkin, Arreola or Stiverne vs Povetkin, Fury vs Pulev, Adamek vs Jennings, Helenius vs Jennings, Helenius vs Arreola, Helenius vs Fury, Thompson vs Helenius, Fury vs Thompson....there are some interesting fights out there and I would like to see them, but I'm coming from a perspective where I don't see the division as a failure, I just see the level where the fights start to get competitive as below the championship level and more the contender level which means Wlad won't be tested but 2nd place is up for grabs
