Just wondering what you guys think of Darren barker, will he win a world title? I think so, i think he beats daniel Geale any day of the week.
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Just wondering what you guys think of Darren barker, will he win a world title? I think so, i think he beats daniel Geale any day of the week.
Apparently Chris Eubank Jr dropped him in sparring.
No...he is European level at best...Barker will never be a World Champ
Job biscuit (Never)!!!
eh eh!!!
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
I consider Barker a good, solid British middleweight. Not a special talent by any means, but definitely above average. I suggest that Barker target Geale or Quillin. Both are winnable fights, but somewhat risky.
He is a special talent. Very tidy boxer .
Geale & Quillin would both beat Barker
Neither would last 12 rounds with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
I'm thinking the complete oppositeQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzNeither would last 12 rounds with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
Barker doesn't hear the final bell against either
It is not unrealistic to suggest we may well have the chance to find out at some point.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyI'm thinking the complete oppositeQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzNeither would last 12 rounds with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
Barker doesn't hear the final bell against either
Lets hope so, I think Barker against either guy is an entertaining scrap!Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzIt is not unrealistic to suggest we may well have the chance to find out at some point.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyI'm thinking the complete oppositeQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzNeither would last 12 rounds with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
Barker doesn't hear the final bell against either
Barker is talented and I prefer him to fight the domestic world class fighters we have such as Macklin.
Depends who he fights. If he fight Qillin or Golovkin, I think he'll come up short. If he fights Geale, I think he'll win a world title. Really don't buy into Geale at all.
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Originally Posted by ross
At least it happened in sparring and not in a proper fight. Sometimes that can be a blessing, perhaps Barker was becoming complacent and getting dropped may have given him the kick up the arse he needed.
It has no indication to what Barker can go on to achieve. Groves was badly bruised after sparring Eubank jr before the Degale fight. Eubank jr hits hard and if sparring a lot with him chances are you are going to take some lumps at one point.
Do u watch boxing. Quillin make mince meat o barker and Geale wins a wide decision. Suggesting Barker wins inside the distance is moronic. He is fighting bums and still doesn't have a good KO %. He is a European level fighter and will not win a proper world title. Proksa would be a good test for himQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzNeither would last 12 rounds with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
I commend you on your great sense of humour and send my condolences for the absence of any sound boxing judgement.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeDo u watch boxing. Quillin make mince meat o barker and Geale wins a wide decision. Suggesting Barker wins inside the distance is moronic. He is fighting bums and still doesn't have a good KO %. He is a European level fighter and will not win a proper world title. Proksa would be a good test for himQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzNeither would last 12 rounds with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
Geale is a very good fighter, doesn't do anything special but very well roundedQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
Winning 2 trinkets in Germany is no easy feat...
I presume your British and completely blinded by the limited skills they have and get shown up at world level. Probably one of the fools who gave Hatton a chance against Mayweather and Pacman.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzI commend you on your great sense of humour and send my condolences for the absence of any sound boxing judgement.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeDo u watch boxing. Quillin make mince meat o barker and Geale wins a wide decision. Suggesting Barker wins inside the distance is moronic. He is fighting bums and still doesn't have a good KO %. He is a European level fighter and will not win a proper world title. Proksa would be a good test for himQuote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzNeither would last 12 rounds with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
Quillin is faster, stronger,slicker and a better all round fighter then Barker. I see barker being competitive for 4/5 rounds before Quilling gets him on the back foot and starts to dominate.
Geale is stronger and has a better work rate. Barker, you could argue has the better skills, but he won't have the power to keep Geale off him and Geale will break him down and win a UD, perhaps making Barker quit in a late round.
Yes I am British and have no objectivity at all. I just blindly follow my jingoistic tendencies and ignore all evidence that contradicts this. Thank you for such a wonderful insight.
Is there anyone Chris Eubank Jr hasn't duffed up sparring? (:rolleyes:)
Barker would have a great chance against Geale. There's not much in their form and if Barker can go 11 rounds with Martinez he can outbox Geale over the distance.
Golovkin walks him down and stops him.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
I'm not sold on Quillin. He knocked N'Jikam down multiple times, but nearly every round that he wasn't knocked down, N'Jikam won. N'Jikam is good, however. I think that is a winnable fight for Barker, not saying he wins it, but he has a decent shot.
Geale would probably outpoint Barker. Geale can box, but I also can see Barker beating Geale up.
Basically, he has no shot against Golovkin, but I give him a good chance against the other titleholders.
Will Eddie Hearn take a risk and pay enough to get somebody like Geale or Quillin to fight in England? Barker probably wouldn't sell enough tickets to make it viable and I don't think Hearn believes in him enough to come up with the money.
Barker has a good chance against Geale.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Hearn's already had fighters, in the past two years, challenge for world titles abroad on other promotions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Whether he stages the fight or not, unlike FW, it looks like his fighters will take their chances.
Barker stops Geale,Quillin, N'jikam, Lee or Proska. Not UD. TKO or KO. Rantcatrat is right about Golovkin, he stops Barker, but not the other middleweights that people are suddenly ascribing super powers too.
Quillan beats Barker.
Barker exposes Quillan as being more of a Milky Bar kid than a Kid Chocolate. Cracks him like a kinder egg with no surprise gift needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Let's see if Hearn thinks so. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Barker has a good chance against Geale.
And they've all lost. You make money as a promoter by getting your guys big fights they can win in front of big crowds in events you promote. You take a punt on your guys and pay foreign world champions to come to England and fight your guy when you think your guy can win, which is what Warren's MO has been. Then you cash in promoting your world champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHearn's already had fighters, in the past two years, challenge for world titles abroad on other promotions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Whether he stages the fight or not, unlike FW, it looks like his fighters will take their chances.
Hearn seems quite willing to send his guys abroad to be the opponent fighter on other promoters' bills. The only guy he's so far put the money up to do that with if Froch for the Bute fight and he was helped by the fact that Bute was desperate to fight in Nottingham.
Makes sense, you keep saying Barker will stop fighters that noone else has stopped and the only reason that comes to mind is he is British and you are British. Barker is not a big puncher and to suggest he will stop guys who are a huge step up in class is just silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
I have no doubt barker won't fight any of these guys because he won't take a risk and will continue to fight bums so u won't be proven wrong
Either way it's irrelevant to us boxing fans, right? Why would you care what the promoter makes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingAnd they've all lost. You make money as a promoter by getting your guys big fights they can win in front of big crowds in events you promote. You take a punt on your guys and pay foreign world champions to come to England and fight your guy when you think your guy can win, which is what Warren's MO has been. Then you cash in promoting your world champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHearn's already had fighters, in the past two years, challenge for world titles abroad on other promotions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Whether he stages the fight or not, unlike FW, it looks like his fighters will take their chances.
Hearn seems quite willing to send his guys abroad to be the opponent fighter on other promoters' bills. The only guy he's so far put the money up to do that with if Froch for the Bute fight and he was helped by the fact that Bute was desperate to fight in Nottingham.
Surely we just want to see the best match-ups, and if that means British fighters chancing their arm abroad that's a good thing? Please let this finally be the end of the Warren mismatch model
With respect I am assuming that being a boxnation subscriber you are Irish or possibly British. Being so I thought you would be reasonably familiar with Barker and realise that none of the names mentioned are a huge step up in class. If that were the case Martinez would have wiped the floor with him in a couple of rounds. He is more than ready to take fights that you deem a "risk" and more than capable. You are quite entitled to your opinion I just don't happen to share it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeMakes sense, you keep saying Barker will stop fighters that noone else has stopped and the only reason that comes to mind is he is British and you are British. Barker is not a big puncher and to suggest he will stop guys who are a huge step up in class is just silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
I have no doubt barker won't fight any of these guys because he won't take a risk and will continue to fight bums so u won't be proven wrong
Fair enough, we get to find out how good they actually are when they're the opponent for the house fighter but then how do you support any kind of major promotional setup when your guys have all been beaten?Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterEither way it's irrelevant to us boxing fans, right? Why would you care what the promoter makes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingAnd they've all lost. You make money as a promoter by getting your guys big fights they can win in front of big crowds in events you promote. You take a punt on your guys and pay foreign world champions to come to England and fight your guy when you think your guy can win, which is what Warren's MO has been. Then you cash in promoting your world champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHearn's already had fighters, in the past two years, challenge for world titles abroad on other promotions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Whether he stages the fight or not, unlike FW, it looks like his fighters will take their chances.
Hearn seems quite willing to send his guys abroad to be the opponent fighter on other promoters' bills. The only guy he's so far put the money up to do that with if Froch for the Bute fight and he was helped by the fact that Bute was desperate to fight in Nottingham.
Surely we just want to see the best match-ups, and if that means British fighters chancing their arm abroad that's a good thing? Please let this finally be the end of the Warren mismatch model
Barker/Rees/etc aren't going to sell many tickets after they've shown they're short of world class. No British boxer is going to h ave a very long career if they're permanantly put into tough fights, have to fight abroad a lot and so on.
Right now there's only Froch that Hearn seems willing to back with serious money. If/when Hearn does invest money in young pros and brings them through to world level is he going to throw them into fights abroad or do what Warren does, wait for an aged champ he thinks his guy can beat (Tszyu) or get him a vacant belt (Cleverly)?
There is a middle way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingFair enough, we get to find out how good they actually are when they're the opponent for the house fighter but then how do you support any kind of major promotional setup when your guys have all been beaten?Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterEither way it's irrelevant to us boxing fans, right? Why would you care what the promoter makes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingAnd they've all lost. You make money as a promoter by getting your guys big fights they can win in front of big crowds in events you promote. You take a punt on your guys and pay foreign world champions to come to England and fight your guy when you think your guy can win, which is what Warren's MO has been. Then you cash in promoting your world champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHearn's already had fighters, in the past two years, challenge for world titles abroad on other promotions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Whether he stages the fight or not, unlike FW, it looks like his fighters will take their chances.
Hearn seems quite willing to send his guys abroad to be the opponent fighter on other promoters' bills. The only guy he's so far put the money up to do that with if Froch for the Bute fight and he was helped by the fact that Bute was desperate to fight in Nottingham.
Surely we just want to see the best match-ups, and if that means British fighters chancing their arm abroad that's a good thing? Please let this finally be the end of the Warren mismatch model
Barker/Rees/etc aren't going to sell many tickets after they've shown they're short of world class. No British boxer is going to h ave a very long career if they're permanantly put into tough fights, have to fight abroad a lot and so on.
Right now there's only Froch that Hearn seems willing to back with serious money. If/when Hearn does invest money in young pros and brings them through to world level is he going to throw them into fights abroad or do what Warren does, wait for an aged champ he thinks his guy can beat (Tszyu) or get him a vacant belt (Cleverly)?
Barker just headlined the Saturday night show. Losing to Martinez didn't harm him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingFair enough, we get to find out how good they actually are when they're the opponent for the house fighter but then how do you support any kind of major promotional setup when your guys have all been beaten?Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterEither way it's irrelevant to us boxing fans, right? Why would you care what the promoter makes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingAnd they've all lost. You make money as a promoter by getting your guys big fights they can win in front of big crowds in events you promote. You take a punt on your guys and pay foreign world champions to come to England and fight your guy when you think your guy can win, which is what Warren's MO has been. Then you cash in promoting your world champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHearn's already had fighters, in the past two years, challenge for world titles abroad on other promotions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Whether he stages the fight or not, unlike FW, it looks like his fighters will take their chances.
Hearn seems quite willing to send his guys abroad to be the opponent fighter on other promoters' bills. The only guy he's so far put the money up to do that with if Froch for the Bute fight and he was helped by the fact that Bute was desperate to fight in Nottingham.
Surely we just want to see the best match-ups, and if that means British fighters chancing their arm abroad that's a good thing? Please let this finally be the end of the Warren mismatch model
Barker/Rees/etc aren't going to sell many tickets after they've shown they're short of world class. No British boxer is going to h ave a very long career if they're permanantly put into tough fights, have to fight abroad a lot and so on.
Right now there's only Froch that Hearn seems willing to back with serious money. If/when Hearn does invest money in young pros and brings them through to world level is he going to throw them into fights abroad or do what Warren does, wait for an aged champ he thinks his guy can beat (Tszyu) or get him a vacant belt (Cleverly)?
Kell Brook has already headlined 10,000 seaters, he is currently due to fight Alexander, in America, for the "world" title, on the Peterson-Matthysse undercard. Carl Frampton is selling out the Odyssey Arena in Belfast.
You may be right about Hearn in the future, but for now lets just hope he doesn't turn into Warren.
Hah, Quillin KO's Barker faster than Martinez did!Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzBarker exposes Quillan as being more of a Milky Bar kid than a Kid Chocolate. Cracks him like a kinder egg with no surprise gift needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I am familiar with Barker. I know he looks good but its a lot easier to look get when your fighting nobodies. Martinez' style tends for him not to wipe the floor with people (in the sense getting rid of them early). Apart from Williams he hasnt stopped a fighter with a decent rec in the first half of a fight. In my opinion he did wipe the floor with Barker in that fight tho and although was close on the cards Martinez always looked in complete control and was breaking Barker down gradually.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzWith respect I am assuming that being a boxnation subscriber you are Irish or possibly British. Being so I thought you would be reasonably familiar with Barker and realise that none of the names mentioned are a huge step up in class. If that were the case Martinez would have wiped the floor with him in a couple of rounds. He is more than ready to take fights that you deem a "risk" and more than capable. You are quite entitled to your opinion I just don't happen to share it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeMakes sense, you keep saying Barker will stop fighters that noone else has stopped and the only reason that comes to mind is he is British and you are British. Barker is not a big puncher and to suggest he will stop guys who are a huge step up in class is just silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
I have no doubt barker won't fight any of these guys because he won't take a risk and will continue to fight bums so u won't be proven wrong
Quillin on the other hand is a guy who will stop guys earlier, he is very fast and strong. What I "deem" a risk is a fight which he has a good chance of losing and wont get a big payday. A fight with Quillin in the states wouldnt be a big fight, similar to that against Geale, whereas he would have got a nice payday fighting Martinez.
Im not saying he is a shit fighter, he put up a good fight against Martinez and has been European champ. I just dont see how anyone could justify saying he would destroy the likes of Geale, Quillin etc. as there is no evidence from his previous fights to back this up. Obviously if the fights happen I hope Im wrong as we need more world champs this side of the Atlantic.
What is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzThere is a middle way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingFair enough, we get to find out how good they actually are when they're the opponent for the house fighter but then how do you support any kind of major promotional setup when your guys have all been beaten?Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterEither way it's irrelevant to us boxing fans, right? Why would you care what the promoter makes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingAnd they've all lost. You make money as a promoter by getting your guys big fights they can win in front of big crowds in events you promote. You take a punt on your guys and pay foreign world champions to come to England and fight your guy when you think your guy can win, which is what Warren's MO has been. Then you cash in promoting your world champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHearn's already had fighters, in the past two years, challenge for world titles abroad on other promotions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Whether he stages the fight or not, unlike FW, it looks like his fighters will take their chances.
Hearn seems quite willing to send his guys abroad to be the opponent fighter on other promoters' bills. The only guy he's so far put the money up to do that with if Froch for the Bute fight and he was helped by the fact that Bute was desperate to fight in Nottingham.
Surely we just want to see the best match-ups, and if that means British fighters chancing their arm abroad that's a good thing? Please let this finally be the end of the Warren mismatch model
Barker/Rees/etc aren't going to sell many tickets after they've shown they're short of world class. No British boxer is going to h ave a very long career if they're permanantly put into tough fights, have to fight abroad a lot and so on.
Right now there's only Froch that Hearn seems willing to back with serious money. If/when Hearn does invest money in young pros and brings them through to world level is he going to throw them into fights abroad or do what Warren does, wait for an aged champ he thinks his guy can beat (Tszyu) or get him a vacant belt (Cleverly)?
It is the one in between the two extremes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingWhat is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzThere is a middle way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingFair enough, we get to find out how good they actually are when they're the opponent for the house fighter but then how do you support any kind of major promotional setup when your guys have all been beaten?Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterEither way it's irrelevant to us boxing fans, right? Why would you care what the promoter makes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingAnd they've all lost. You make money as a promoter by getting your guys big fights they can win in front of big crowds in events you promote. You take a punt on your guys and pay foreign world champions to come to England and fight your guy when you think your guy can win, which is what Warren's MO has been. Then you cash in promoting your world champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHearn's already had fighters, in the past two years, challenge for world titles abroad on other promotions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Whether he stages the fight or not, unlike FW, it looks like his fighters will take their chances.
Hearn seems quite willing to send his guys abroad to be the opponent fighter on other promoters' bills. The only guy he's so far put the money up to do that with if Froch for the Bute fight and he was helped by the fact that Bute was desperate to fight in Nottingham.
Surely we just want to see the best match-ups, and if that means British fighters chancing their arm abroad that's a good thing? Please let this finally be the end of the Warren mismatch model
Barker/Rees/etc aren't going to sell many tickets after they've shown they're short of world class. No British boxer is going to h ave a very long career if they're permanantly put into tough fights, have to fight abroad a lot and so on.
Right now there's only Froch that Hearn seems willing to back with serious money. If/when Hearn does invest money in young pros and brings them through to world level is he going to throw them into fights abroad or do what Warren does, wait for an aged champ he thinks his guy can beat (Tszyu) or get him a vacant belt (Cleverly)?
How big was the crowd at Wembley for this card? Barker headlined a show in which him and Groves fought two mismatches, two Warren-style opponent-type fighters who were there to pick up a cheque. One guy had an impressive record on paper but had lost at Euro level and was an easy night for Barker. The other guy was a late replacement.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterBarker just headlined the Saturday night show. Losing to Martinez didn't harm him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingFair enough, we get to find out how good they actually are when they're the opponent for the house fighter but then how do you support any kind of major promotional setup when your guys have all been beaten?Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterEither way it's irrelevant to us boxing fans, right? Why would you care what the promoter makes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingAnd they've all lost. You make money as a promoter by getting your guys big fights they can win in front of big crowds in events you promote. You take a punt on your guys and pay foreign world champions to come to England and fight your guy when you think your guy can win, which is what Warren's MO has been. Then you cash in promoting your world champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHearn's already had fighters, in the past two years, challenge for world titles abroad on other promotions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Whether he stages the fight or not, unlike FW, it looks like his fighters will take their chances.
Hearn seems quite willing to send his guys abroad to be the opponent fighter on other promoters' bills. The only guy he's so far put the money up to do that with if Froch for the Bute fight and he was helped by the fact that Bute was desperate to fight in Nottingham.
Surely we just want to see the best match-ups, and if that means British fighters chancing their arm abroad that's a good thing? Please let this finally be the end of the Warren mismatch model
Barker/Rees/etc aren't going to sell many tickets after they've shown they're short of world class. No British boxer is going to h ave a very long career if they're permanantly put into tough fights, have to fight abroad a lot and so on.
Right now there's only Froch that Hearn seems willing to back with serious money. If/when Hearn does invest money in young pros and brings them through to world level is he going to throw them into fights abroad or do what Warren does, wait for an aged champ he thinks his guy can beat (Tszyu) or get him a vacant belt (Cleverly)?
Kell Brook has already headlined 10,000 seaters, he is currently due to fight Alexander, in America, for the "world" title, on the Peterson-Matthysse undercard. Carl Frampton is selling out the Odyssey Arena in Belfast.
You may be right about Hearn in the future, but for now lets just hope he doesn't turn into Warren.
Barker now has an IBF intercontinental belt. Hearn is doing business with the IBF with Brook and Froch so he may be going that route for Barker. Geale is the IBF champ. He's already foguth in Germany and he'll fight in Britain if the cheque is right. So will Hearn come up with the readies, and if Barker wins will Hearn put him in with legitimate contenders and make unification fights or will he cash in on Barker as best he can?
I'm genuinely unsure how many tickets Barker sells. Up until last Saturday it looks like his recent fights were in a 4000 capacity arena. Then he lost to Martinez. I'm not sure there's serious money potential there.
If Brook loses to Alexander and Frampton loses to Quigg how many tickets will they sell when their bubbles have burst?
[QUOTE=Kirkland Laing;1139272][QUOTE=Fenster;1139084][QUOTE=Kirkland Laing;1139071][QUOTE=Fenster;1139055][QUOTE=Kirkland Laing;1139046][QUOTE=Fenster;1139027]Quigg wants nothin to do with Frampton. That appears obvious an I can't see them fighting for a long time as it benefits neither. Looks like Frampton coul fight Romero for a world title in Belfast so goo chance Frampton could be a world champ soon. If Brook beats Alexander it opens huge payday opportunities for him in US and England.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing