can anyone see an upset?
cunningham is vastly experienced at world title level
and fury isnt
ive seen this type of step up and slip up lots of times
is it worth a punt?
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can anyone see an upset?
cunningham is vastly experienced at world title level
and fury isnt
ive seen this type of step up and slip up lots of times
is it worth a punt?
This is Cunninghams 1st fight against a true heavyweight. I fill the size difference will be too great and I don't think he'll last the distance. I wouldn't back it at the 4/1 that's currently available
No. Cunningham is tailor made for Fury, and is just an opportunity for him and his management team to claim after the victory that Fury is the greatest fighter ever via the seven degrees of Kevin Bacon.
I can see the potential for an upset
I live in hope for one.
I'm almost 100% certain that Cunningham is a better boxer than anyone Fury has face before. He'll be in great shape, which none of Fury's opponents have been really. He'll more than likely let punches go in a calculated and skillful manner, unlike almost ALL of Fury's previous opponents. I think Cunningham will beat Fury, by UD.
Lets have a quick look back at Fury's recent opponents.
Kevin Johnson
Vinny Maddalone
Martin Rogan
Neven Pajkic
Nicolai Firtha
Derek Chisora
Marcelo Nascimento
Chisora is the best of them all IMO and was WAY out of shape against Fury. The rest are absolutely NO WHERE NEAR WORLD LEVEL. To go from these opponents, to then fighting in Madison Square Garden, although only against Cunningham, is a big step up. Fury is getting DECKED sooner or later, doubtful by Cunningham. For a guy that gets on the back foot against someone like Johnson who isn't even letting punches go, god knows what he'll do when faced with a seriuos challenge. Probably be jumping the top rope. I actually hope he beats Cunningham and we see one of the Klits absolutely smash the dude in to next week. Failing that, seeing him in with Tony Thompson and getting floored would almost be as much fun.
i agree with your points on furys opponents and the fact that cunningham is miles above anything he has faced despite being in a lower weight classQuote:
Originally Posted by TheMacMagician
this is why i raise the point of a potential upset in the first place
you do seem like a hater tho so perhaps your passion for an upset is clouding your judgement
Cunningham doesn't have the punching power to trouble Fury, but he's a decent boxer and if he can avoid getting hurt he could win. Cunningham has given Adamek Hell TWICE...I think he could quite possibly score the upset especially since the fight is in New York and not England. This is Tyson Fury's very first fight in America and if you'll recall some British fighters have trouble when they are being hyped up as "the next big thing" and fight in the US, Hatton-Collazo comes to mind.
Fury should gun for a KO because if he doesn't hurt Cunningham then even more questions will be raised about him.
hatton v collazo was a completely different situationQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Hatton was already world champion and an experienced espatblished fighter with some very good wins behind him including against a fighter considered the best in the division
Hatton was moving up in weight against a world champion at short notice
Fury isnt a world champion and hasnt fought anywhere near that level and he is fighting someone smaller than him who isnt a world champion either
the main difference is the experience between the fighters
if you want to make comparisons, david haye v carl thompson, david price v tony thompson
#1 Hatton wasn't a world champion at 147 which is where he fought CollazoQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
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#2 I know the differences in the fights, yes Hatton was far more experienced than Fury is now...the point is they're both being sold to the American fight fans ergo there's a touch more pressure to perform and SOME fighters don't react well to such pressure. I don't think that pressure bothered Hatton so much as he just couldn't handle 147 at all, but still he pushed himself hard in that fight to make a good impression with the fans.
the point is that we have a young inexperienced fighter "stepping up" for the first time
thats definately something that couldnt be said about hatton going into the collazo fight
the point of the thread isnt how british fighters have struggled when fighting in america for the first time
2 completely different topics
why dont you start a new thread if you want to talk about that :)
I was pointing out that not only is Fury stepping up in class, it's his first fight in America as well and therefore a few more variables come into play especially considering Fury's lack of experience. Will he feel more pressure fighting in Madison Square Garden? Will he be botherered by his training schedule being different (as I assume he's training in england and then coming the states later on)? Will he be jet lagged? How will he handle the American media? Will he be booked on any tv shows or radio shows to hype the fight & if so how will he handle those?
Ricky Hatton had the added benefit of having a massive fanbase in England that followed him everywhere...does Fury?
I'm asking questions and making observations relevant to the OP. The crux of which is "Can anyone see an upset" & "is this worth a punt?" so don't tell me to move threads you stupid ginger cunt.
:0 yeah good pointsQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Cunningham is a somewhat ideal opponent for Fury to step up against because he doesn't have a big punch. We saw when Fury fought that Canadian undefeaeted boxer (Nejac?), he was hurt a few times. I think Thompson is a riskier fight for Fury than Cunningham.
Cunningham can box and is somewhat elusive, but over the course of 12 rounds, he will have to exchange at some point and that is where Fury will have the advantage.
I like Fury by knockout.
I also admire Fury for comning over to this side of the pond to make a name for himself. It makes a fight with Wladimir down the road even bigger.
Cunningham had trouble with more physical fighters at cruiserweight, but he looked pretty solid vs Adamek who is better than anyone Fury has been in with.
Fury has to take the fight to Cunningham if he wants to win. He most definitely has to show USS his power right away.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Fury is a white heavyweight from the UK who will be seen as protected and will be taken lightly, so he has to take it to Cunningham.
Cunningham is a decent boxer and fights well moving backwards. I haven't seen much of Fury.
Fury has my vote already, he's stepping up, moving out of his comfort zone and trying to give the fans what they want, fights that mean something.
You should be proud of Fury, I'd take one Fury over five Wilders. Good luck to Fury and Cunningham, may the best fighter win.
YOU HAVE A MAN ON YOUR HANDS!
Fury will win the only big issue is fighting in the US which I think he will cope with and may actually improve his performance. I like Cunningham but do not think he is big enough physically to handle Tyson.
Maybe Fury could help out with an uppercut or twoQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Definitely not a hater, so lets put that one to bed straight away sir........Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44i agree with your points on furys opponents and the fact that cunningham is miles above anything he has faced despite being in a lower weight classQuote:
Originally Posted by TheMacMagician
this is why i raise the point of a potential upset in the first place
you do seem like a hater tho so perhaps your passion for an upset is clouding your judgement
just a few points you made pointed that wayQuote:
Originally Posted by TheMacMagicianDefinitely not a hater, so lets put that one to bed straight away sir........Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44i agree with your points on furys opponents and the fact that cunningham is miles above anything he has faced despite being in a lower weight classQuote:
Originally Posted by TheMacMagician
this is why i raise the point of a potential upset in the first place
you do seem like a hater tho so perhaps your passion for an upset is clouding your judgement
Cunningham is right. Fury only wins fights cuz he's big. Shrink him to 6'1 or 6'2 and he's garbage
Not sure how you go about shrinking someone:confused:
But Cunningham is by far the most difficult opponent Fury has faced
I'd love to see Fury get schooled
F*ck I would love for Cunningham to KO that prat Fury, don't see it happening but I'd settle for a UD
What a f*ckin annoying voice!
Props to Nazim for shutting that fool down "More people probably recognise me than you & I don't even fight"
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
absolutely true, hes a decent boxer with decent power but his size is by far his best weopon
but you could say similar about most fighters
wlad is only long standing hw champ coz of his size
mayweather is only lb4lb coz of his speed
i only pull lots of women coz im good looking
But he is big, so I don't see the point. If Floyd wasn't so fast, he wouldn't be undefeated. You could hypothetically take any fighter's main tools away and it could change the outcome of a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
For the record, he wins fights because his opposition isn't up to scratch. Even at 6'7", I think he's nothing special. He'll get shown up as soon as he fights a puncher.