I had Murray ahead 114-113. Anyone else?
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I had Murray ahead 114-113. Anyone else?
Murray and by more then a point.
I can see by 3 points. And who knows if the second kd was a legit one? Instant replay apparently showed that Murray stepped on Martinez foot. I'm not sure if I believe it. Rematch should be made- in the UK this time. It would be a treat for you guys there.
Murray should have had two KDs plus he was screwed by judges.
I think I had Murray by 5 points, not including the 2nd KD he got screwed out of. Martinez did almost nothing effective from what I saw.
Martinez looked old . No way he is a top 5 p4p fighter now .
His first fight after a surgery and...damn I love Martinez too. Aw hell my night got ruined.
I think you can make a case for either fighter. But.... Murray, knowing they were fighting in Argentina for heaven sakes... should've kept up the pressure in the last 2 rounds. He didn't, and he lost. Anyway, it was a tremendous showing by Murray.
You cant actually believe that my friend. Tell me how he lost the 12th? Tell me how he lost the fight. He gave up the first 2 rounds sure but this is another example of a Hbo poster boy robbing the man that beat him.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by IamInuitYou cant actually believe that my friend. Tell me how he lost the 12th? Tell me how he lost the fight. He gave up the first 2 rounds sure but this is another example of a Hbo poster boy robbing the man that beat him.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
It's not so much a matter of him losing the 12th, as it was him not going out and winning it. Sounds like the same thing, but it's not. IamInuit, you can't lose sight of the fact that they were fighting in Argentina. Murray had the momentum... he just had to seize control and not give it up. (BTW, I agree that the second Martinez fall was a legitimate KD. The ref blew that call big time).
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Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitYou cant actually believe that my friend. Tell me how he lost the 12th? Tell me how he lost the fight. He gave up the first 2 rounds sure but this is another example of a Hbo poster boy robbing the man that beat him.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
It's not so much a matter of him losing the 12th, as it was him not going out and winning it. Sounds like the same thing, but it's not. IamInuit, you can't lose sight of the fact that they were fighting in Argentina. Murray had the momentum... he just had to seize control and not give it up. (BTW, I agree that the second Martinez fall was a legitimate KD. The ref blew that call big time).
That actually gets to me after awhile cause it seems so situational. Murray beat Martinez better then Leonard beat Hagler.
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Originally Posted by IamInuitYou cant actually believe that my friend. Tell me how he lost the 12th? Tell me how he lost the fight. He gave up the first 2 rounds sure but this is another example of a Hbo poster boy robbing the man that beat him.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
It's not so much a matter of him losing the 12th, as it was him not going out and winning it. Sounds like the same thing, but it's not. IamInuit, you can't lose sight of the fact that they were fighting in Argentina. Murray had the momentum... he just had to seize control and not give it up. (BTW, I agree that the second Martinez fall was a legitimate KD. The ref blew that call big time).
That actually gets to me after awhile cause it seems so situational. Murray beat Martinez better then Leonard beat Hagler.
TBH, I would've been just as satisfied had Murray gotten the decision. But IMO, corners need to better impress upon their fighters the importance of closing the show. Had Murray fought with the urgency he had displayed earlier in the fight, he would've left no doubt. Notice also that he was relatively subdued after the fight, although I realize he's a gentleman, and not one to cry about bad decisions.
Martinez won the fight, but barely.
Murray dropped him clean after Sergio was getn cocky with his hands down and not out of fighting distance.
He looked to have lost a step tonight, but he hasn't lost any of his championship heart. He eeked out the decision, but a year ago even he would have dominated Murray as he did Barker and Macklin, who by the way HBO were trying to give those fights to AGAINST Sergio. This was by no means some grand HBO conspiracy of bias for Sergio, they've tried to screw him in the past.
Closing the show went out with 15 rd fights and powdered wigs. He won the 12th, dominated the middle and late rounds, knocking him down once arguably twice. The fight was not all that close to me and the fact that this group of refs had it the other way by 3 makes me want to puke and its not because I'm some Murray homer.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
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Originally Posted by IamInuitYou cant actually believe that my friend. Tell me how he lost the 12th? Tell me how he lost the fight. He gave up the first 2 rounds sure but this is another example of a Hbo poster boy robbing the man that beat him.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
It's not so much a matter of him losing the 12th, as it was him not going out and winning it. Sounds like the same thing, but it's not. IamInuit, you can't lose sight of the fact that they were fighting in Argentina. Murray had the momentum... he just had to seize control and not give it up. (BTW, I agree that the second Martinez fall was a legitimate KD. The ref blew that call big time).
That actually gets to me after awhile cause it seems so situational. Murray beat Martinez better then Leonard beat Hagler.
TBH, I would've been just as satisfied had Murray gotten the decision. But IMO, corners need to better impress upon their fighters the importance of closing the show. Had Murray fought with the urgency he had displayed earlier in the fight, he would've left no doubt. Notice also that he was relatively subdued after the fight, although I realize he's a gentleman, and not one to cry about bad decisions.
I will say one thing. I hope he never gets the idea of giving JCC Jr. a rematch. I hated the size difference the first time around, and after seeing Martinez look old and vulnerable against Murray, I have a feeling Junior would murder him in a rematch. And I'd rather undergo root canal without anaesthesia than see Junior get a freebie, big name, over-the-hill scalp under his belt.
Yes it was a home town win, Murray won the fight but it's how it goes, Martinez looked OLD he
was very lucky Murray is not a big puncher.
Good performance by Murray, Martinez is showing his age indeed he is.!
I had Martinez winning. Barely. He banked enough early rounds and took the last 2. Murray inactivity in the early rounds were his downfall. But he does get credit. He did way better than I expected him to. I think he could of pulled it off if he would of let his hands go more.
Martinez is very close to being done. The Chavez fight took a lot out of him. He needs to start looking in calling it quits. Cuz I would not favor him in a Chavez rematch or against Alvarez, Golovkin or Quillin. I think even Murray could take him in a rematch
I thought Murray nicked it. No problem with Sergio getting it though.
Murray is much better than I thought. Always seen him as one-paced/predictable but he clearly can hold his own in world-class. Martinez needs to seriously consider retirement. He's getting hit more and more and is gonna get ironed out if he carrys on.
i just watched this - thought Murray had nicked it too but knew full well Martinez would get the decision which was to be expected.
Yep he needs to retire as he will get sparked if he continues
Agreed man, Chavez Jr body punches took a lot out of Martinez, kinda like his old man vs Taylor and we all know what happened in the rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I put money on Murray winning and said that his pressure would be too much for Martinez but I can't say I was surprised at the decision. Doesn't make it any less of a robbery though. Martinez who I always thought was a good sport seemed to realise that Murray wasn't going to follow the script from pretty early on and whined and whinged about every tiny infraction, real or Imagined. They don't want Murray fighting Chavez and so Martinez is given a freebie.
The Wide Open scoring for Martinez was complete BS and the Idea that Murray should have to Knock a champion out or fight in a particular style in order to win is just as dumb. Yes Sergio as I had said, and many people had remarked, is falling to pieces, but give Murray credit for stepping into the Lions den and not getting carried away, instead following the excellent game plan of his corner ffs.
Football (Soccer) can mess up your knees, Cycling similarly, couple that with broken hands, shoulder surgery and a low hand style that is often rewarded with blows to the face then 37 is old and Sergio's best days are behind him. All those people scoffing at the idea that GG would beat him easily must concede that the idea was not so far fetched now.
Well done Martin, you just marched into British Boxing Folklore whatever the record books say.
Martinez didn't dominate Barker. He was outboxed and frustrated for most of that fight. You could probably argue that he was behind at the time of the stoppage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Couldn't watch any fights last night :( I really want to watch this one, happy that Murray put in a good performance !
Didn't Barker also break Martinez's nose aswell ? you could also argue Barker easily won 4 rounds in the fight aswell.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHMartinez didn't dominate Barker. He was outboxed and frustrated for most of that fight. You could probably argue that he was behind at the time of the stoppage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
As for the thread Murray won and comfortably aswell, and if the 2nd knockdown had been scored there wouldn't be any doubt.
Murray landed the better quality shots, hurt Martinez and dropped him twice. And also had the much better defense, i don't really see how anyone can see Martinez winning, for most of the fight he was clowning and getting outboxed.
Sergio won by 1 or 2 points!!! They both sucked, no one put their ballz down to take over the fight! Murray wouldn't punch "with him" and if he did Sergio would have been stopped! Sergio was flat and looked like he didn't spar a round! As I've said for sometime now Sergio knows how to box and outscore an opponent but he is NOT a great fighter and he can be beaten by someone who's willing to punch with him. Murray would step in and throw 1 or 2 punches then bounce out!!!....WHY?
He didn't get countered Sergio didn't do crap except move away Murray should have STAYED on him, he didn't! Crappy fight, boring action, low skill levels especially for a Middleweight Title Fight!
Theres a reason why Boxing isn't at the hights anymore! There are no fighters who come to lay it on the line!! Either the guy is a runner or the pressure guy simply doesn't throw enough punches. Which is what last night bout was all about!!! Boring!! Ray.
I had the fight a draw. Could have gone either way. I think a rematch is in order.
Nah, I'd rather watch paint dry then to sit through that crap! It'll be the same fight playing out the same way, theres to much rematches these days just move on and accept that styles make matches good or bad so when one is boring just move on to another!
Sergio won so get him in there with GGG and have Murray in there with a top 6 guy and the winner fights for the title off the GG vs Sergio match up!! Get things moving forward not going backwards!
Ray.
Close fight but I had martinez 115-113, had an even round somewhere in there. Before someone accuses me of being influenced by lampley aka mr bias and copmany of hbo I actually watched the fight on mute.
I had Martinez eeking out a decision. It was close.
It was his first fight following surgery. The problem is that he broke his left hand and allegedly had problems with his knee again, indicating to me that either the surgery wasn't successful, or that his older body didn't respond as well to the stress of boxing match, as it has in the past.
If Sergio is out for the remainder of the year, how about Murray versus Junior or Quillin?
The WBC actually used instant replay to look at the second knockdown and hilariously concluded that it was a slip. Fuck the WBC.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBDidn't Barker also break Martinez's nose aswell ? you could also argue Barker easily won 4 rounds in the fight aswell.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHMartinez didn't dominate Barker. He was outboxed and frustrated for most of that fight. You could probably argue that he was behind at the time of the stoppage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
As for the thread Murray won and comfortably aswell, and if the 2nd knockdown had been scored there wouldn't be any doubt.
Murray landed the better quality shots, hurt Martinez and dropped him twice. And also had the much better defense, i don't really see how anyone can see Martinez winning, for most of the fight he was clowning and getting outboxed.
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LOL!!
Only the WBC can use available technology to confirm their utter stupidity.
They should change their name to WBC, Worthless Boxing Commission.
Martinez won what more is there to say, he is a class above these British guys.
before saturday night i would have agreed with youQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
even tho barker outboxed him at times i think martinez could have stepped i up earlier and finished the fight and maklin had his moments but just wasnt strong enough and wasnt tough enough
Murrays performance was very good tho, i dont buy the broken hand excuse either, from 6 onwards murray looked bigger stronger and all round better
yeah the fight was very close, the second knock down was clearly legit
i thought murray won, although I wouldnt argue with martinez nicking it, if the fight was else where then it could probably have gone the other way
well done martin murray
Ricky, unsurprisingly had Murray winning something with which I agree. Not so sure that Martin is the best middleweight in Britain though. Excellent article here from a great boxing site http://www.saddoboxing.com/21570-hat...-martinez.html
Immediately after the fight though, Murray acknowledged that he lost. He said that Martinez just nicked it, or something to that effect.
I think it was a close fight but not a robbery.
You cant call close fights robberies IMO.
Personally, I scored it for Martinez by a point but I would understand why some scored it for Murray because it was that close.
Credit to Murray though, he surprised me i didn't think he was that good or maybe its Martinez on the slide, either way good performance from Murray.
So would you if you were an Englishman in a field full of thousands of Argentinians. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
I have no idea why Murray faded the last couple of rounds. If he had not I could certainly see him winning. Murray showed himself to be a classy fighter. I was not familiar with Murray prior to the fight, I think we will be seeing more of him. Certainly had that been called a knockdown and if Murray didn't take a nap in the 12th he would have easily have won. I used to like Martinez but that showboating was ridiculous, especially in a fight that was so close. With the calls that were made I think Martinez did win.:mad:
Barker was far from winning the fight. He got KO'd and it shut HBO up. Was very satisfying.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBDidn't Barker also break Martinez's nose aswell ? you could also argue Barker easily won 4 rounds in the fight aswell.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHMartinez didn't dominate Barker. He was outboxed and frustrated for most of that fight. You could probably argue that he was behind at the time of the stoppage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
As for the thread Murray won and comfortably aswell, and if the 2nd knockdown had been scored there wouldn't be any doubt.
Murray landed the better quality shots, hurt Martinez and dropped him twice. And also had the much better defense, i don't really see how anyone can see Martinez winning, for most of the fight he was clowning and getting outboxed.