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Journeymen with upside!
I know this is kind of an off-beat topic, but do you know of any journeymen with upside?
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Guys who have fought the who's who, lost them all, but still have the ability to turn it up once they get their act together?!?! And, showed enough promise to be considered decent opposition.
Give me some names. We're talking about guys with more than 5 losses against good or above average competition.
Two names come to mind: Travis Walker and Dominic Guinn- both heavies, but still good draw's in my book!
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Re: Journeymen with upside!
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ykdadamaja
I know this is kind of an off-beat topic, but do you know of any journeymen with upside?
;D
Guys who have fought the who's who, lost them all, but still have the ability to turn it up once they get their act together?!?! And, showed enough promise to be considered decent opposition.
Give me some names. We're talking about guys with more than 5 losses against good or above average competition.
Two names come to mind: Travis Walker and Dominic Guinn- both heavies, but still good draw's in my book!
Terry Carruthers. Current Journeyman, exciting to watch.
Bert Cooper. (Genuine KO power, 47 just not, was knocking people out in 2010 still.)
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Originally Posted by
ykdadamaja
I know this is kind of an off-beat topic, but do you know of any journeymen with upside?
;D
Guys who have fought the who's who, lost them all, but still have the ability to turn it up once they get their act together?!?! And, showed enough promise to be considered decent opposition.
Give me some names. We're talking about guys with more than 5 losses against good or above average competition.
Two names come to mind: Travis Walker and Dominic Guinn- both heavies, but still good draw's in my book!
Terry Carruthers. Current Journeyman, exciting to watch.
Bert Cooper. (Genuine KO power, 47 just not, was knocking people out in 2010 still.)
Is Cooper still fighting??
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Re: Journeymen with upside!
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ykdadamaja
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Originally Posted by
Vendettos
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Originally Posted by
ykdadamaja
I know this is kind of an off-beat topic, but do you know of any journeymen with upside?
;D
Guys who have fought the who's who, lost them all, but still have the ability to turn it up once they get their act together?!?! And, showed enough promise to be considered decent opposition.
Give me some names. We're talking about guys with more than 5 losses against good or above average competition.
Two names come to mind: Travis Walker and Dominic Guinn- both heavies, but still good draw's in my book!
Terry Carruthers. Current Journeyman, exciting to watch.
Bert Cooper. (Genuine KO power, 47 just not, was knocking people out in 2010 still.)
Is Cooper still fighting??
His last fight was about a year ago today, he did take a few years off from 2002-2010.
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Re: Journeymen with upside!
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Vendettos
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Originally Posted by
ykdadamaja
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Originally Posted by
Vendettos
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Originally Posted by
ykdadamaja
I know this is kind of an off-beat topic, but do you know of any journeymen with upside?
;D
Guys who have fought the who's who, lost them all, but still have the ability to turn it up once they get their act together?!?! And, showed enough promise to be considered decent opposition.
Give me some names. We're talking about guys with more than 5 losses against good or above average competition.
Two names come to mind: Travis Walker and Dominic Guinn- both heavies, but still good draw's in my book!
Terry Carruthers. Current Journeyman, exciting to watch.
Bert Cooper. (Genuine KO power, 47 just not, was knocking people out in 2010 still.)
Is Cooper still fighting??
His last fight was about a year ago today, he did take a few years off from 2002-2010.
Think Coops can come back to win a title? lololol....
;D
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Re: Journeymen with upside!
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ykdadamaja
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Vendettos
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Originally Posted by
ykdadamaja
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Originally Posted by
Vendettos
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Originally Posted by
ykdadamaja
I know this is kind of an off-beat topic, but do you know of any journeymen with upside?
;D
Guys who have fought the who's who, lost them all, but still have the ability to turn it up once they get their act together?!?! And, showed enough promise to be considered decent opposition.
Give me some names. We're talking about guys with more than 5 losses against good or above average competition.
Two names come to mind: Travis Walker and Dominic Guinn- both heavies, but still good draw's in my book!
Terry Carruthers. Current Journeyman, exciting to watch.
Bert Cooper. (Genuine KO power, 47 just not, was knocking people out in 2010 still.)
Is Cooper still fighting??
His last fight was about a year ago today, he did take a few years off from 2002-2010.
Think Coops can come back to win a title? lololol....
;D
Hey it only takes one shot.
But still, no lol.
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Re: Journeymen with upside!
Julius Francis had a bit of a peak when he beat an undefeated Pele Reid, Danny Williams and also Scott welsh I think before being destroyed by Tyson and being a journeyman again.
Would Danny Williams now count as a journeyman?
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The fairly recent classic in the category would be Freddie Pendleton; started his career 12-12 and went on to win part of the lightweight title, be a top guy for quite awhile, and finish his career, over the hill and fighting up and coming guys.
Freddie Pendleton - Boxer
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Master
Julius Francis had a bit of a peak when he beat an undefeated Pele Reid, Danny Williams and also Scott welsh I think before being destroyed by Tyson and being a journeyman again.
Would Danny Williams now count as a journeyman?
Now? Yes he is a JM, as he has lost 7 of his last 8, but he held the British and CommonW titles more than once, plus he fought for a world title.
Hard to define his mixed career.
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Master
Julius Francis had a bit of a peak when he beat an undefeated Pele Reid, Danny Williams and also Scott welsh I think before being destroyed by Tyson and being a journeyman again.
Would Danny Williams now count as a journeyman?
Yup. Danny is a journeyman. Would we consider Holyfield as a journeyman as well??
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Re: Journeymen with upside!
How about Sugar Boy Malinga? Fought a who's who of 90's Super Middleweights, mainly losing efforts but managed to pick up wins against Benn (OK may have been done at that point) and Robin Reid, relieving both of their WBC strap. Managed to lose the title between those fights to serial whinger Vincenzo Nardiello.
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Memphis
How about Sugar Boy Malinga? Fought a who's who of 90's Super Middleweights, mainly losing efforts but managed to pick up wins against Benn (OK may have been done at that point) and Robin Reid, relieving both of their WBC strap. Managed to lose the title between those fights to serial whinger Vincenzo Nardiello.
Think Malinga can do it? I thought he retired too!!! lolol... ever since the Vince Phillips/Kostya Tyzsu fight, I kinda had my eye out for that odd journeyman.
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Sherman Williams and Michael Sprott showed they had some upside with spirited efforts against Helenius.
Derrick Findley is another, just fought Curtis Stevens and gave him a tough fight, also gave hell to J'Leon Love the fight before that.
Findley doesn't seem to want to be a journeyman anymore and is trying to rise above it.
Lastly, I'd add Sam Soliman as he just beat Sturm, but tested positive for roids afterwards so idk bout his future
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Memphis
How about Sugar Boy Malinga? Fought a who's who of 90's Super Middleweights, mainly losing efforts but managed to pick up wins against Benn (OK may have been done at that point) and Robin Reid, relieving both of their WBC strap. Managed to lose the title between those fights to serial whinger Vincenzo Nardiello.
Monte Barret.........
Quality heavyweight, always gave his best, and upset the odds a few times (Tua?)
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Hulk
Sherman Williams and Michael Sprott showed they had some upside with spirited efforts against Helenius.
Derrick Findley is another, just fought Curtis Stevens and gave him a tough fight, also gave hell to J'Leon Love the fight before that.
Findley doesn't seem to want to be a journeyman anymore and is trying to rise above it.
Lastly, I'd add Sam Soliman as he just beat Sturm, but tested positive for roids afterwards so idk bout his future
Roids don't end careers anymore. Now, if you have loaded gloves, yea. But not Roids. A ban, but probably only for 12 months, max!
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Memphis
How about Sugar Boy Malinga? Fought a who's who of 90's Super Middleweights, mainly losing efforts but managed to pick up wins against Benn (OK may have been done at that point) and Robin Reid, relieving both of their WBC strap. Managed to lose the title between those fights to serial whinger Vincenzo Nardiello.
Monte Barret.........
Quality heavyweight, always gave his best, and upset the odds a few times (Tua?)
I like Monte Barrett at lot. He always gave 100% and upset Dominick Guinn (at the peak of his popularity), Owen Beck, and Joe Mesi in my book.
He also brought it against Valuev and David Haye.
Was cool seeing Monte KO Tye Fields in 1 round a few years back.
For a short while, Barrett was a top ten heavyweight and even fought a piece of the crown against Rahman.
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Hulk
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nuggetdotcom
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Originally Posted by
Memphis
How about Sugar Boy Malinga? Fought a who's who of 90's Super Middleweights, mainly losing efforts but managed to pick up wins against Benn (OK may have been done at that point) and Robin Reid, relieving both of their WBC strap. Managed to lose the title between those fights to serial whinger Vincenzo Nardiello.
Monte Barret.........
Quality heavyweight, always gave his best, and upset the odds a few times (Tua?)
I like Monte Barrett at lot. He always gave 100% and upset Dominick Guinn (at the peak of his popularity), Owen Beck, and Joe Mesi in my book.
He also brought it against Valuev and David Haye.
Was cool seeing Monte KO Tye Fields in 1 round a few years back.
For a short while, Barrett was a top ten heavyweight and even fought a piece of the crown against Rahman.
I've been thinking for a minute, and Monte Barret for a while was as good an example as I've got. It's a little different at HW since anyone can punch, but he was a great example of this guy. Not a big man or KO puncher, but just a cagey vet with enough pop to make a good few fights interesting if not upsets entirely.
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Chisora... Even though hes only lost 3 times
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But how is Monte Barrett a journeyman, but not Evander Holyfield or David Tua?
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Silkeyjoe
Emanuel Augustus
Do you really think he can win a fight at this stage? lololol...
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I always liked him, he got robbed too many times.
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ykdadamaja
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Silkeyjoe
Emanuel Augustus
Do you really think he can win a fight at this stage? lololol...
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I always liked him, he got robbed too many times.
I thought the idea was naming journeymen we enjoy watching. Hes past it now but in his prime he was a good fighter and always entertaining to watch. In his last 4 fights he fought guys with a combined record of 54-0 and 2 of those fights were close enough. He knows how to put on a show and he deserves credit for what he does.
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Silkeyjoe
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ykdadamaja
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Silkeyjoe
Emanuel Augustus
Do you really think he can win a fight at this stage? lololol...
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I always liked him, he got robbed too many times.
I thought the idea was naming journeymen we enjoy watching. Hes past it now but in his prime he was a good fighter and always entertaining to watch. In his last 4 fights he fought guys with a combined record of 54-0 and 2 of those fights were close enough. He knows how to put on a show and he deserves credit for what he does.
I hear ya... we're in a way talking about comeback fighters too.
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ykdadamaja
But how is Monte Barrett a journeyman, but not Evander Holyfield or David Tua?
I would say that Barrett was a journeyman with a lot of upside, which addresses the title of the thread. He was always the "B" side in fights and a few times he really upset the apple cart.
Holyfield and Tua were always "A" side, big names. One is a hall of famer, and the other is the former #1 contender in the world.
Now, that they have become journeymen they have no upside at all.
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ykdadamaja
But how is Monte Barrett a journeyman, but not Evander Holyfield or David Tua?
I would say that Barrett was a journeyman with a lot of upside, which addresses the title of the thread. He was always the "B" side in fights and a few times he really upset the apple cart.
Holyfield and Tua were always "A" side, big names. One is a hall of famer, and the other is the former #1 contender in the world.
Now, that they have become journeymen they have no upside at all.
true.
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Re: Journeymen with upside!
Tons come to mind going today. John The Beast Brown? Steve Forbes. Brian Vera..Ray Beltran...Cory Spinks :D
Glen Johnson...wish he stayed retired off good run :-\
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Spicoli
Tons come to mind going today. John The Beast Brown? Steve Forbes. Brian Vera..Ray Beltran...Cory Spinks :D
Glen Johnson...wish he stayed retired off good run :-\
Glen Johnson has a stellar second half of his career! I am still amazed at B-Hop too. And, what's even more startling, guys are now EXTENDING their careers well into their 40's.
Take a look at the champions today, as opposed to 20-30 years ago. It was a normal thing to see a guy at 25 have a title. Now we see guys are 35 win their first title,etc...
You have to look at the journeymen these days, up-side. I think once the Klits retire, Tony Thompson has upside as well.
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ykdadamaja
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Spicoli
Tons come to mind going today. John The Beast Brown? Steve Forbes. Brian Vera..Ray Beltran...Cory Spinks :D
Glen Johnson...wish he stayed retired off good run :-\
Glen Johnson has a stellar second half of his career! I am still amazed at B-Hop too. And, what's even more startling, guys are now EXTENDING their careers well into their 40's.
Take a look at the champions today, as opposed to 20-30 years ago. It was a normal thing to see a guy at 25 have a title. Now we see guys are 35 win their first title,etc...
You have to look at the journeymen these days, up-side. I think once the Klits retire, Tony Thompson has upside as well.
Yeh, Its a testament to both Johnsons and Hopkins mental make up which is def from the old school. Guys today with big push are steered to a trinket as much as the trinket steered to them. Johnson got the rep of a hard nut who wouldn't crack and was ripped off by up & comers who have come and gone career wise. Meanwhile he has only just very recently moved into the literal journeymans journeyman catagory. I don't know about Thompson...hes a tricky one. His best course is to bank it into a rematch with Price and hope for a repeat. But at his age, his weight and that hes already crumbled vs the premiere champ he might just slide into the mentality of a guy who excepts being a runner up and living off that. Also depends where Price goes.
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Armando Muniz always comes to mind, he was robbed against Jose Napoles. And was in two classics with Carlos Palomino.
