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If you saw the Mosley-Cano fight last night you witnessed a person who actually turned back the clock like Marty McFly. Shane Mosley is an all out heart warrior. Boxing should take care of him for his efforts. I hope he never has to fight past 2013 though. For his own good. Hats of to an all time great. He fought his heart out.
Could be on roids again.?Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyV297
Nah, hope he is happy with what hes doing but i dont really like seeing that style of fighting. He should retire, but then again so should roy and evander. Same old story.
When I was young and trying to learn to box, Shane Mosley was a kid standing in the corner watch, a real little kid. A friend that was still going to that gym told me that Shane was the best fighter in the gym...at age 9. But his dad used to bring him in a baby basket, while he would train fighters.
I saw him fight at The Forum one night, and I was sitting in the 2nd or 3rd row. It was early in Shane's career, maybe his 15th or 16th fight, and he'd had a long layoff. In the first round he didn't look good, real rusty, and I was disappointed. But then he started getting the jab working- either late 1st round or early second (it was many years and many more beers ago)- and then he got sharp and stopped the guy.
In 2001 or 2002 I was living up here in Montana but went back to California; my friend and I drove up to Big Bear to watch Mosley train. Again, memory fails as to who he was preparing to fight, but it was shortly before the Botha/Lewis fight because Botha was up there too. Shane's dad was still training him, but john david Jackson was real involved as well. Shane finished up and Jackson got in the ring- he was thinking comeback at the time- to spar with a guy he was also training. I was standing right at the edge of he ring watching them spar when Shane came out. He watched the sparring- Jackson laying on the ropes (legs gone) slipping and avoiding punches, landed one wicked left hand- very intent. Between rounds we would talk about what was going on in the ring, and he was very animated about it.
He lived, maybe still does, in the Ganesha Hills region of Pomona, overlooking Ganesha Park and the LA County fairgrounds. The 7-11 down on Ganesha Blvd- 'the' 'hood- used to have a bunch of autographed pictures of him. I hope he gets out of all this- boxing- with his dignity, and enough money and senses to live out his life with pride.
What fucking pride does a filthy admitted drug cheat have?
Anyone who gives Mosley an ounce of credit can never have any say on ridding boxing of steroids. You all get excited about a cheater. Putting his oppomemts lives at risk by going in with an unfair advantage. Mosley is a cheating little cnt and im sick of seeing all the sicophants licking his ass hole in here.
He robbed history.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Should have been banned ages ago.
Remember Shane turning back the clock against Margarito but he went on to lose against Manny, Floyd and Saul.
Mayorga has said that Jin Mosley told him Shane was on steroids when he fought him which would account for him having the energy to pull a KO out of his ass in the dying seconds after being behind. This was the fight before Margarito. Mayorga gave Mosley a better fight than Margarito did and back in 2002 Mayorga would have ruined Mosley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
People are sort of side stepping the truth that Mosley is a cheater. They are ignoring the fact hes scum and continue to praise him up and reminisce about his fights. The same fights he was cheating in...
Mayorga said that Shane's ex-wife said...we're on to, what, third level hearsay evidence? Shane started boxing about 5 minutes after he could stand upright and he was a top level, very accomplished amateur. He is also a pretty decent guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossMayorga has said that Jin Mosley told him Shane was on steroids when he fought him which would account for him having the energy to pull a KO out of his ass in the dying seconds after being behind. This was the fight before Margarito. Mayorga gave Mosley a better fight than Margarito did and back in 2002 Mayorga would have ruined Mosley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
People are sort of side stepping the truth that Mosley is a cheater. They are ignoring the fact hes scum and continue to praise him up and reminisce about his fights. The same fights he was cheating in...
I don't think that he was the only steroid user, and from the inception of sport (especially boxing) as soon as one guy found an edge, everybody followed. I do know that Shane Mosley started learning to fight at about age 3, persevered with it, put the work into it, and got real good at it. Without that work and that effort, you could take every steroid ever created, and all of them, and not succeed at boxing.
Ross, you are making a villain and jerk out of yourself with shit like this buddy.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossMayorga has said that Jin Mosley told him Shane was on steroids when he fought him which would account for him having the energy to pull a KO out of his ass in the dying seconds after being behind. This was the fight before Margarito. Mayorga gave Mosley a better fight than Margarito did and back in 2002 Mayorga would have ruined Mosley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
People are sort of side stepping the truth that Mosley is a cheater. They are ignoring the fact hes scum and continue to praise him up and reminisce about his fights. The same fights he was cheating in...
Mayorga, my favorite fighter and one of yours is a cheat too. He was tested positive for dieuretics when he weighed 170 against Oscar and still got humiliated aside from one good uppercut.
He's also pretty much a confirmed rapist. That's why he had to make a deal with the devil with that fuckin Ortega dictator of Nicaragua and give him chunks of his purses. Had to buy his freedom from rape charges.
And yes Mayorga in 2002 was a beast, but Mosley was a lot better back then too. Not to mention Cotto KO'd Mayorga in the 12th (which was a heartbreaker for me) and he was def NOT on steroids.
Or maybe he was. 50% of the top boxers out there are on some PED's they just don't all get caught. Same with mma.
BUT Mosley has admitted to cheating...
He's looked dog shit in fights he's been random tested.
Im a villain now because I'm fed up with people giving props to someone who has admitted to taking a substance that allows them to fight the same in the later rounds as they were at the beginning of a fight, against a tiring honest opponent. The biggest win in his career he was cheating.
Mayorga took something to lose weight. It is possible it was to mask something else but he's never failed any tests or been under suspicion, or been associated with any pharmacists and most importantly of all, he's never been taken to court and made to admit that he willingly made himself a weapon.
Fuck Shane Mosley, he's a joke. He may well have worked hard but obviously he felt he wasn't good enough without the drugs, so by taking them he's admitting to himself he needs them.
In 2002 Forrest hit Mayorga clean with everything. It was Mosley he had wobbling everywhere and holding for dear life. He wouldn't have heard the final bell with that Mayorga.
Shane is tuff, no doubt. Durable. But the only way hes turning back any clock is once a year, just like the rest of us. The problem isn't him struggling with a Cano down in Mexico on basic cable..its when he again looks like a champion turned journeyman padding some big stars name. He needs to retire and leave with some dignity. Hes starting to collect punches like an old used time clock.
His dignity went out the window years ago...Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Shane Mosley Admits to Knowingly Using EPO in Lawsuit Against BALCO's Victor Conte - YouTube
Interesting. You know I agree, if you have been caught cheating then your entire career is tainted. Roy Jones, Holyfield, Mosley, Toney, Morales and Tarver have all been busted and should have their Hall of Fame passes revoked.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossMayorga has said that Jin Mosley told him Shane was on steroids when he fought him which would account for him having the energy to pull a KO out of his ass in the dying seconds after being behind. This was the fight before Margarito. Mayorga gave Mosley a better fight than Margarito did and back in 2002 Mayorga would have ruined Mosley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
People are sort of side stepping the truth that Mosley is a cheater. They are ignoring the fact hes scum and continue to praise him up and reminisce about his fights. The same fights he was cheating in...
To some yes. But to the majority of fans a guy is judged and remembered mainly on his quality of work, rightly or wrongly as some may see it. We all know and have our own beefs, indescretions with certain fighters but I watch the fights, not court cases. The sport is filled with ex cons, con men, and superstars and journeymen doing jail time.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossHis dignity went out the window years ago...Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Shane Mosley Admits to Knowingly Using EPO in Lawsuit Against BALCO's Victor Conte - YouTube
Injecting yourself to have a physical advantage is completely wrong. Some of his (Mosley) fights were illusions when I look back now because he was cheating. I don't care if Ali had came out that he was cheating then he would no longer be the Greatest in my book. God bless boxing for having the ex cons, journeymen and the people who have been superstars with hard work and dedication.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliTo some yes. But to the majority of fans a guy is judged and remembered mainly on his quality of work, rightly or wrongly as some may see it. We all know and have our own beefs, indescretions with certain fighters but I watch the fights, not court cases. The sport is filled with ex cons, con men, and superstars and journeymen doing jail time.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossHis dignity went out the window years ago...Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Shane Mosley Admits to Knowingly Using EPO in Lawsuit Against BALCO's Victor Conte - YouTube
Mosley did not accomplish what he did because of steroids. It was because from even before he could walk he spent all day, every day in the gym. Before he could walk, he sat in a basket and watched his father train fighters. At 5,6 years old, he was hitting the bags and learning how to move around. Check the record he had at age 12.
What effcts steroids have on boxing is debatable. Shane, a guy that had boxing bred into him as much as is possible, was still only 'real good', well below guys like Billy graham and fritzie Zivic, much less the guys like Napoles and Armstrong and Robinson.
You ought to give it a rest and think on it. Think on what it takes to be an amateur champion on the level of Shane mosley, or the effort it takes to learn the moves he made during his lightweight reign. Steroids don't teach you skill, and boxing is a skill spot.
I get that and thats the distinction. Wrongs and a mans passed-present is completley his own to pay for in a personal life. Done so within your occupation and souly to benefit achievment is the different thing. Clearly or not so clearly as it may be. The list is ever growing on ban violations and you ponder if a sport that cannot manage its own house, enforce rules let alone appoint competent officials can or will really do anything about it. We can put a big fat asterisk next to all the names but fact is they'll continue to fight, so the discussion will go on.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09Injecting yourself to have a physical advantage is completely wrong. Some of his (Mosley) fights were illusions when I look back now because he was cheating. I don't care if Ali had came out that he was cheating then he would no longer be the Greatest in my book. God bless boxing for having the ex cons, journeymen and the people who have been superstars with hard work and dedication.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliTo some yes. But to the majority of fans a guy is judged and remembered mainly on his quality of work, rightly or wrongly as some may see it. We all know and have our own beefs, indescretions with certain fighters but I watch the fights, not court cases. The sport is filled with ex cons, con men, and superstars and journeymen doing jail time.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossHis dignity went out the window years ago...Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Shane Mosley Admits to Knowingly Using EPO in Lawsuit Against BALCO's Victor Conte - YouTube
Well if he was never tested for a fight for it then i really don't give a shit. As for steriods might as well make them legal because everyone already using them anyhow. I mean shit they use trt in mma makes for better fighters might as well be at your best you can be and put on the show everyone wants to see and pay money for. I mean if there is a drug that can make you faster and stronger should use it in all sports makes for a better watch and not like it matters much because most people are using anyhow.
Exactly. Everyone who wins a significant fight is now suspected of Peds. Testing is becoming a lot bigger deal then it ever has been before. One would think that the pro boxers and the staff, promoters etc etc just might know something to be fact that we as fans have long suspected.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliI get that and thats the distinction. Wrongs and a mans passed-present is completley his own to pay for in a personal life. Done so within your occupation and souly to benefit achievment is the different thing. Clearly or not so clearly as it may be. The list is ever growing on ban violations and you ponder if a sport that cannot manage its own house, enforce rules let alone appoint competent officials can or will really do anything about it. We can put a big fat asterisk next to all the names but fact is they'll continue to fight, so the discussion will go on.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09Injecting yourself to have a physical advantage is completely wrong. Some of his (Mosley) fights were illusions when I look back now because he was cheating. I don't care if Ali had came out that he was cheating then he would no longer be the Greatest in my book. God bless boxing for having the ex cons, journeymen and the people who have been superstars with hard work and dedication.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliTo some yes. But to the majority of fans a guy is judged and remembered mainly on his quality of work, rightly or wrongly as some may see it. We all know and have our own beefs, indescretions with certain fighters but I watch the fights, not court cases. The sport is filled with ex cons, con men, and superstars and journeymen doing jail time.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossHis dignity went out the window years ago...Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Shane Mosley Admits to Knowingly Using EPO in Lawsuit Against BALCO's Victor Conte - YouTube
I actually think its boxing's dirty little secret that all the big players know to be true. My cynical old ass
almost thinks that the entire on again off again Brook/Alexander fight had more to do with conflicting chemical cycles then it did injury. I'm at the point now that I believe everybody is cheating thus making it an even playing field.
The thing about steroids and boxing is this...Sugar ray Robinson, Ezzard charles, Harry greb, Jack dempsey, Ray leonard,Marvin hagler...We know those guys didn't use steroids. name one guy in the "steroids" era as good as any of them.
James Toney was a great fighter because a great trainer- bill miller-took the time to teach him about fighting. In boxing, skill and intellect are the trump card.
To me Mosley was never that skillfull, his style was based on being quick, throwing lots of punches and taking lots of punches.
He didnt one day just say, right, iv been a clean riteous boxer all my life and now all of a sudden I want to cheat,against De Le Hoya. The kind of person who wants to cheat will have always wanted to cheat and justbecause he didnt get caught before doesnt mean he didnt do it before. You have to assume all fights he didnt have random testing that he was cheating because hes already proved he is a cheater.
Its laughable we have threads in here about kicking steroids out of the sport but then you all want to give Mosley a pass. Not to mention Jones jr, Toney and Holyfield. Dont let me see any of you ever complain about someone caught cheating again. You cant pick and choose who you dont like. If they are guilty they are guilty. I dont understand why the second De La Hoya fight result was not ever reversed seeing as that is the fight we know 100% he couldnt win without them.