When should a fighter be pulled out ?
Tony Simms has confirmed that fears of his fighter, (who was tight at the weight having only had four weeks to prepare) dehydrating more as the rounds ticked by, prompted him to make the decision to pull Purdy out against Alexander.
http://www.gazette-news.co.uk/sport/...es/10436397._/
If Lebdev's corner had had shown a similar concern for their own fighter's well being then maybe Boxing would not have had to endure the negative criticisms it has this last week.
What are your thoughts on the criteria that should be met before a fighter is pulled out by his corner ?
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Barker was bang on when he pulled purdy out. He was getting hit and not throwing back.
In my opinion, even if the fighter has 95% stamina left, if he is getting beaten down without returns should be pulled.
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Vendettos
Barker was bang on when he pulled purdy out. He was getting hit and not throwing back.
In my opinion, even if the fighter has 95% stamina left, if he is getting beaten down without returns should be pulled.
this is key and so is knowing your fighter, reading the fight etc. IF your guy is well behind on the cards and shows zero sign of winning you could within your rights pull the guy out to save his brain for another day.
If he's getting beat down BUT has the power to land a one punch ko you're more likely to let it continue a little while longer.
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Howlin Mad Missy
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Barker was bang on when he pulled purdy out. He was getting hit and not throwing back.
In my opinion, even if the fighter has 95% stamina left, if he is getting beaten down without returns should be pulled.
this is key and so is knowing your fighter, reading the fight etc. IF your guy is well behind on the cards and shows zero sign of winning you could within your rights pull the guy out to save his brain for another day.
If he's getting beat down BUT has the power to land a one punch ko you're more likely to let it continue a little while longer.
This ^^
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Howlin Mad Missy
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Vendettos
Barker was bang on when he pulled purdy out. He was getting hit and not throwing back.
In my opinion, even if the fighter has 95% stamina left, if he is getting beaten down without returns should be pulled.
this is key and so is knowing your fighter, reading the fight etc. IF your guy is well behind on the cards and shows zero sign of winning you could within your rights pull the guy out to save his brain for another day.
If he's getting beat down BUT has the power to land a one punch ko you're more likely to let it continue a little while longer.
Then no journey men should be allowed fight. Ogogos fight at the weekend should have been stopped after the 1st by this logic, it's bullshit. Purdy was weight drained and had no chance of winnin, everyone knew that, particularly after the 1st round.
Fighters should only be pulled out if they are clearly hurt, Lebedevs for example was a clear example, Purdys was not.
The thing is Purdy was clearly not himself. As limited as he may be he sees himself as a banger and does not make a habit of just standing in front of fighters and letting them tee off with no reply. It is not as if he was throwing and Devon was just dodging and slipping everything that came his way. He was gun shy to the point of inertia and his trainer Simms has a responsibility to not let his fighter take unnecessary punishment. What would have been gained by letting him become further dehydrated and stay in for more rounds doing nothing? If there was a chance of him pulling a big shot out of the bag and disheartening Alexander he would have shown clear signs earlier in the fight of being able to do so.
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Howlin Mad Missy
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Vendettos
Barker was bang on when he pulled purdy out. He was getting hit and not throwing back.
In my opinion, even if the fighter has 95% stamina left, if he is getting beaten down without returns should be pulled.
this is key and so is knowing your fighter, reading the fight etc. IF your guy is well behind on the cards and shows zero sign of winning you could within your rights pull the guy out to save his brain for another day.
If he's getting beat down BUT has the power to land a one punch ko you're more likely to let it continue a little while longer.
Then no journey men should be allowed fight. Ogogos fight at the weekend should have been stopped after the 1st by this logic, it's bullshit. Purdy was weight drained and had no chance of winnin, everyone knew that, particularly after the 1st round.
Fighters should only be pulled out if they are clearly hurt, Lebedevs for example was a clear example, Purdys was not.
nope, plenty of journeymen (I've seen) tend to have decent defences so they don't take much damage, that way, as long as they don't get stopped and put on suspension they can fight again and make a decent living ;)
Re: When should a fighter be pulled out ?
When they have taken a severe beating and have nothing left to offer and the ref and corner men say so.
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Missys post was about all there is to it, completely depends on the fighter, the relationship with their trainer and the particular matchup. I would imagine many fighters wouldn't sit well with having a fight stopped unless they completely accept defeat themselves, it's always easier to have a scapegoat for failure and such. Trainers need to make a living to, it's probably a fine line that way.
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Silkeyjoe
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Howlin Mad Missy
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Vendettos
Barker was bang on when he pulled purdy out. He was getting hit and not throwing back.
In my opinion, even if the fighter has 95% stamina left, if he is getting beaten down without returns should be pulled.
this is key and so is knowing your fighter, reading the fight etc. IF your guy is well behind on the cards and shows zero sign of winning you could within your rights pull the guy out to save his brain for another day.
If he's getting beat down BUT has the power to land a one punch ko you're more likely to let it continue a little while longer.
Then no journey men should be allowed fight. Ogogos fight at the weekend should have been stopped after the 1st by this logic, it's bullshit. Purdy was weight drained and had no chance of winnin, everyone knew that, particularly after the 1st round.
Fighters should only be pulled out if they are clearly hurt, Lebedevs for example was a clear example, Purdys was not.
The thing is Purdy was clearly not himself. As limited as he may be he sees himself as a banger and does not make a habit of just standing in front of fighters and letting them tee off with no reply. It is not as if he was throwing and Devon was just dodging and slipping everything that came his way. He was gun shy to the point of inertia and his trainer Simms has a responsibility to not let his fighter take unnecessary punishment. What would have been gained by letting him become further dehydrated and stay in for more rounds doing nothing? If there was a chance of him pulling a big shot out of the bag and disheartening Alexander he would have shown clear signs earlier in the fight of being able to do so.
You keep saying Simms but he wasn't there, Darren Barker was his leader in the corner, and he made the call to pull him.
Purdy would have lost at his best
Take away the fact he had only 4 weeks notice for the biggest fight of his career.
Take away the fact that his trainer wasn't in his corner.
Take away the fact that he failed to make weight and probably drained himself just before the fight.
The outcome would have been the same.
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Tony Simms has confirmed that fears of his fighter, (who was tight at the weight having only had four weeks to prepare) dehydrating more as the rounds ticked by, prompted him to make the decision to pull Purdy out against Alexander.
Tony Sims: I was never going to let Lee Purdy go 12 rounds with Devon Alexander (From Gazette)
If Lebdev's corner had had shown a similar concern for their own fighter's well being then maybe Boxing would not have had to endure the negative criticisms it has this last week.
What are your thoughts on the criteria that should be met before a fighter is pulled out by his corner ?
They should never have taken the fight without the intent of being able to go the distance. Taking a fight with the idea of "we ko him early or quit"? When did that become appropriate thinking for the management and training of a guy supposedly world class?
And if you get so far out of shape that 4 weeks isn't enough time to get ready for a day's work in your chosen trade, find a new one because you aren't professional enough in your approach to this one.
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Greenbeanz
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Silkeyjoe
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Howlin Mad Missy
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Vendettos
Barker was bang on when he pulled purdy out. He was getting hit and not throwing back.
In my opinion, even if the fighter has 95% stamina left, if he is getting beaten down without returns should be pulled.
this is key and so is knowing your fighter, reading the fight etc. IF your guy is well behind on the cards and shows zero sign of winning you could within your rights pull the guy out to save his brain for another day.
If he's getting beat down BUT has the power to land a one punch ko you're more likely to let it continue a little while longer.
Then no journey men should be allowed fight. Ogogos fight at the weekend should have been stopped after the 1st by this logic, it's bullshit. Purdy was weight drained and had no chance of winnin, everyone knew that, particularly after the 1st round.
Fighters should only be pulled out if they are clearly hurt, Lebedevs for example was a clear example, Purdys was not.
The thing is Purdy was clearly not himself. As limited as he may be he sees himself as a banger and does not make a habit of just standing in front of fighters and letting them tee off with no reply. It is not as if he was throwing and Devon was just dodging and slipping everything that came his way. He was gun shy to the point of inertia and his trainer Simms has a responsibility to not let his fighter take unnecessary punishment. What would have been gained by letting him become further dehydrated and stay in for more rounds doing nothing? If there was a chance of him pulling a big shot out of the bag and disheartening Alexander he would have shown clear signs earlier in the fight of being able to do so.
You keep saying Simms but he wasn't there, Darren Barker was his leader in the corner, and he made the call to pull him.
Purdy would have lost at his best
Take away the fact he had only 4 weeks notice for the biggest fight of his career.
Take away the fact that his trainer wasn't in his corner.
Take away the fact that he failed to make weight and probably drained himself just before the fight.
The outcome would have been the same.
I thought so too but apparently Simms made the call via telephone, which was relayed to Barker
Tony Sims: I was never going to let Lee Purdy go 12 rounds with Devon Alexander (From Gazette)
Re: When should a fighter be pulled out ?
Well Purdy , was in a nutshell hopeless it was embarrassing to watch, hands up marching forward
getting hit,! way out of his depth out classed out boxed.
Yes he had his shot, his stock has gone up as what a punch bag.
It was as competitive , as a Nun V a alcoholic in a drinking competition.
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Dia bando
Well Purdy , was in a nutshell hopeless it was embarrassing to watch, hands up marching forward
getting hit,! way out of his depth out classed out boxed.
Yes he had his shot, his stock has gone up as what a punch bag.
It was as competitive , as a Nun V a alcoholic in a drinking competition.
;D;D;D;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQOAKYupn4k
