I had never heard of this until today. Ali was just hounding Liston relentlessly and one day at the craps table Sonny had had enough.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKLWA...layer_embedded
Usain Bolt ain't got nothing on that....BWAHAHAHAHA
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I had never heard of this until today. Ali was just hounding Liston relentlessly and one day at the craps table Sonny had had enough.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKLWA...layer_embedded
Usain Bolt ain't got nothing on that....BWAHAHAHAHA
Sonny Liston could have gotten in huge trouble and injured/killed someone even if he loaded that gun with blanks but I'll be damned if that is not a brilliant move by him to shut Ali up...he should have kept going down that path to get in Ali's head.
Maybe it is because it is in colour but that does not look real and that did not look like Sonny.
I am surprised the police let sonny get away with that as they did not need much excuse to try and beat him up.
LMAO... Go Liston; I wonder what was going through Ali's mind when he saw that gun and the conversations he had afterwards?
I remember reading about this before, some accounts said Liston slapped him and others said he pulled a gun and fired blanks at him. Quite funny now I've seen it ;D
Ali had the last laugh.
LOL that was not liston, it was taken from the movie Ali made about his life where Ali played himself ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
yeah Lyle I read this in a book that ali brought out in 1974 and always thought that was a clever idea from Liston to shut Ali up LOL
ali was a total, and I mean TOTAL, asshole. No wonder so many people hated him.
And yet I STILL catch shit for calling him out on it....que ridiculoQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
let's add-in a shitty left hook more like a slapping arm punch, an overrated left jab (Holmes, hell even Foreman had a better jab, certainly Joe Louis, Lennox Lewis, Joe Walcott, and Sonny LIston had better left jabs), ZERO BODY PUNCHING, grabbing behind the head incessantly without punishment, pushing down on the head without punishment, excessive clinching without losing any points.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAnd yet I STILL catch shit for calling him out on it....que ridiculoQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
...yet Wladimir Klitschko uses a clinch here and there and all of a sudden he's boring AND a cheater :shakehead:Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustlet's add-in a shitty left hook more like a slapping arm punch, an overrated left jab (Holmes, hell even Foreman had a better jab, certainly Joe Louis, Lennox Lewis, Joe Walcott, and Sonny LIston had better left jabs), ZERO BODY PUNCHING, grabbing behind the head incessantly without punishment, pushing down on the head without punishment, excessive clinching without losing any points.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAnd yet I STILL catch shit for calling him out on it....que ridiculoQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Yes we all know Ali may not have been the greatest technical fighter and had some flaws but you dissect any fighter you will find some limitations. Ali's record however speaks for itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustlet's add-in a shitty left hook more like a slapping arm punch, an overrated left jab (Holmes, hell even Foreman had a better jab, certainly Joe Louis, Lennox Lewis, Joe Walcott, and Sonny LIston had better left jabs), ZERO BODY PUNCHING, grabbing behind the head incessantly without punishment, pushing down on the head without punishment, excessive clinching without losing any points.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAnd yet I STILL catch shit for calling him out on it....que ridiculoQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
ALI GOT THE JOB DONE. I will give him that. Using his kidneys and spleen and appendix as a human heavy bag from 1972 and beyond, ..... his last great fight was in 1971 against Joe Frazier in losing, oddly. Muhammad Ali was totally finished after March 8, 1971. And so was Joe Frazier.
His victory over George Foreman was just a case of styles, luckily for ali, Foreman was a young dumb dolt who 1-dimensionally did the same exact thing for 8 rounds. Grabbing Foreman behind the neck and pulling him in for 8 rounds, taking hundreds of body shots to the kidneys from Big George, whilst laying asininely on the pretty loose ropes and taking those shots----what a way to win, huh? His left kidney was contused and hemmhorragin for 3 weeks after that fight, and his spleen was swollen, and he pissed blood for 2 weeks. Is that a victory?
Is that a victory?
He also lost all 3 fights to Norton, and I believe Shavers outpointed him. How Doug Jones didnt get the win I dont know.
Also they point to his classic performance against Cleveland Williams.
Cleveland Williams had been shot at point blank range 4 times in the abdomen LESS THAN 12 MONTHS BEFORE his fight with Clay. He nearly died on the operating table and lost something like 20 pints of blood.
Was that such a great victory?
What alltime great did Ali fight? They wanna bitch about Marciano---who did Ali fight?
Liston, Frazier, Foreman to name three. How about Rocky?
Ezzard Charles in his prime at 32 years young TWICE,Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Ezzard Charles83-10-1Joe Louis66-2-0
Roland LaStarza37-0-0
Harry Matthews81-3-5
Don Cockell66-11-1
Archie Moore148-19-8
Carmine Vingo16-1-0Rex Layne34-1-2
All time great fighters. That list was not all time great fighters. Ezzard is the closest and that was at light heavy.
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Originally Posted by Master
that list, my friend, is just as competitive as Jerry Quarry, Cleveland Williams, Doug JOnes, Joe Bugner, Karl Mildenberger, and Ron Lyle.