Who do you most want to see Carl in next with?
I think I've covered his options based on what is on offer to him.
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Who do you most want to see Carl in next with?
I think I've covered his options based on what is on offer to him.
It won't happen, but a fight with Groves would be interesting in the UK at least.
A fight with Ward seems pretty pointless to me no matter where they hold it. Ward is in a different class and has already beaten Froch very convincingly. Froch did well tonight, but anyone who thinks he could give Ward a serious fight is getting carried away.
To be honest I'd love to see him fight Kessler again on neutral ground, perhaps in the US.
Froch is 35 and needs big pay days now. Bernard Hopkins would bring him a ton of money.
Hopkins/Froch would be pretty cool.
Would he? I can't fathom why any one would actually pay to see Hopkins spoil for 12 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbig1
Fight Ward in the UK, but not in the US.
Otherwise, fight Chad Dawson.
Beating old Hopkins would do nothing for Froch's legacy, but Hopkins beating Froch would add to B-Hop's legacy. So it's better for Froch to pass on a B-Hop fight.
At this point in Carls career Hopkins is the dumbest choice he could make both as a business move and a boxing move. He does not need Hopkins, beating him means dick and there is not a truckload of money in it. Froch talked about a catch weight fight after tonight and I just don't see the reason for it.
Rematch Ward. Its the biggest fight in the division and Carl even offered to fight him in Denmark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8FjM3uUFtg
I would like Froch to fight Ward in a rematch at some point, but while it is there, I'd love a 3rd fight with Kessler. That was great to watch tonight, and boxing needs more quality fights like this.
Please let it not be Hopkins. I have to say, Kessler looked damn good losing. I hate when the announcers say the loser had a lot of heart but in this case it is true. I will definitely research that one.
I don't think a win over Hopkins is to be tossed into the trash, and I don't think Froch win is totally out of the question. He may be fit for a museum but hes not dead. Hell, do as Joe did. If he says he'll go to Froch in his hometown and its already in the wind...theres your money! Without a doubt. I do think he needs to go after Ward though...he pointed out he revenged Kessler and now has Ward. I don't fancy his chances and unless he travels again it'll be bogged down in negotiations. Ward is smug and on record has the upper hand, therefore he'll prob go with Kessler 3 or Hopkins, at least first.
Ward, of course and stay away from Hopkins. Ward seems agreeable if the money is OK.
If Froch wants the fight in the UK the money will have to be a little better than OK, in my opinion.
Now there is a pointless fight. It's obvious Kessler is not what he was-due to inactivity, lost desire or whatever-unless your goal is to put money in Froch's pocketQuote:
Originally Posted by tysonesque
how about this guy against Froch. He deserves a shot
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Ward- not sure Carl will be able to beat him wherever they fight but he isnt going to get any better so he has to try and avenge that defeat sooner rather than later
As stated above, Froch has nothing to gain fighting Hopkins. If he beat Hopkins, people would say he beat a 48 year old man and only Hopkins would have something to gain out of the fight.
I think a rematch with Ward is the best option for him. He avenged one defeat last night, why not try and avenge the other, although I think Ward would beat him, in fact, Ward beats Froch 10 times out of 10.
It will be Ward likely but I do not want to see that fight
STIEGLITZ
Why isn't Stieglitz ever mentioned in the same sentence as Froch? I know Froch isn't ranked highly by the WBO or the WBC but still.
Froch should look elsewhere from Ward no shame losing to Andre.
Aim for Stieglitz then whoever has the currently vacant WBC title.
Try and finish his career by unifying the division?
Unlikely but I can wish.
Hopkins. Can come to England, play the pantomime bad guy and get people interested in watching the fightOutside of hardcore fans who'll be watching anyway the target market - potential Sky PPV customers - won't be too familiar with Hopkins so his potential for spoiling/boring people to death won't count too much against him. He's definitely in the running.
Kessler. If he doesn't retire he could fight Stieglitz next, get a win and a belt again then rematch Froch for a final huge payday. If it happens I think Froch stops him late. I don't think an immediate trilogy fight would sell well. If Froch fights say Ward or Hopkins next even if he loses to Ward the trilogy fight is still viable and if Kessler has a belt and is coming off a win it helps sell the fight a lot. But will Sauerland want to give up the WBO belt when they can have a moneyspinning Stieglitz-Abraham trilogy fight and still control the winner?
Ward will come over and fight provided he gets paid what he feels is right. I'm pretty sure Kessler got 55 or 60% of the split for last night's fight. Ward would want the same kind of deal. I think Froch would put up a better performance than last time but still lose and he knows it. It's a massive money fight again for Froch though, potential Sky PPV punters won't have seen much of Ward outside highlight clips (on which everybody looks good) and will be sold on him being a pound for pound top two or three guy and Froch saying he'll get revenge.
Last night was a successful return to PPV for Sky. They won't want their next PPV fight to be a dud so they can keep doing them. That'll have a lot of bearing on who Froch fights next as it's Sky who are bringing the money for these fights, not casinos or US TV. I think they'd like Ward followed by Kessler but hey, Ward might not get offered what he wants and Kessler might retire. But I'm pretty sure that's what Sky would like to show.
It's just a shame there aren't better options for Sky/Froch than two of the worst fighters to sell/watch in Hopkins/Ward. But it'll be Ward, Hopkins or Kessler next for Froch. Definitely a big PPVable name, Froch is only going to want big money fights for as long as he has left.
Ward wants the fight, he even had a go at Hopkins last night saying "I see what Hopkins is trying to do" in regard to trying to steal the next Froch fight.
End of the day Froch has 2 belts.
He should walk into the room slam the belts on the table, offer his home town Nottingham as the venue, and less than 50% split to Ward and tell Ward take it or leave it.
Wards not gonna find a better fight, not many people enjoy watching him, plus 40% of a Froch fight would be more than 80% of any other fight he'll get.
Froch should bully Ward and if he says no, fight Hopkins.
Hearn will start negotiations with Ward and Hopkins at the same time. He probably will start at offering both guys 40%. A lot depends on how many PPV sales last night did. The more it did, the keener Ward/Hopkins will be to make a deal and the easier it'll be to make a deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Ward isn't coming to England. He was talking about filling Wembley stadium. So that tells you how much money he wants, fantasy stuff. Plus during his HBO comms he mentioned home advantage about a billion times.
Virgil Hunter called it a draw so they are already trying to downplay Froch's value. Ward always looks like he is about to burst out crying but I thought Hunter might not have been so petulant.
I would like to see Ward man up and head to England but I doubt that would happen. I think him and Dawson could be interesting. You know for shits and giggles why not Chavez Junior in England I bet it would sell out and be a decent payday for both.
The fighter with the biggest name makes more money. Ward is not widely known. Hopkins is which means a ton of money. At 35 he's not going to be on top forever. He needs fat pay days sooner rather than later. After that I would fight Bute in Canada then Kessler. By this time Ward would be on T.V. more and more making name for himself.
Carl Froch VS Gennady Golovkin in London.
That would be one hell if a barn burner. I could see Froch giving GGG his first loss.
No shit...Quote:
Originally Posted by Onix
Golovkin is a middleweight. Abraham was a good middleweight but just isnt strong enought to deal with the bigger boys.
Rematch with Kessler and finish him off. There is no way Carl can beat Ward but after Kessler he should then try Ward. If Carl fought Hopkins and lost, which he could do because of B hop style then Joe Galzaghe will be laughing at him.
After last night's epic and with one win each, you think Froch v Kessler 3 is pointless?Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedNow there is a pointless fight. It's obvious Kessler is not what he was-due to inactivity, lost desire or whatever-unless your goal is to put money in Froch's pocketQuote:
Originally Posted by tysonesque
That's some strange logic. The Ward fight is utterly pointless unless you have a desire to see Froch easily beaten and his belts taken off him.
I don't want to see a Froch-Kessler 3. I have too much respect for them both to want to see either of them get seriously hurt. Neither of them have anything to prove against each other.
What about Barrera v Morales, Gatti v Ward, Marquez v Vasquez, Marquez v Pacquiao, Ali v Frazier etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
Plenty of fights there purely because they were good match ups rather than any relevance on the world scene.
Wow, never thought about this one. I change my vote. This is the fight I want to see! Golovkin is no Abraham. Abraham was almost purely power and will. Golovkin's power overrides his skill but he does have skill. He knows how to get his punches in there and if he can carry that scary power up a weight class...Ward might even be in trouble. Against the upper echelon at 168 Golovkin wouldn't just be a puncher's chance type. He has the skill to land his punches and get to his opponent. But he is not a big middleweight so we would have to see how his power is up there because I think he would need to be the stronger fighter to keep Froch honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onix
One man that is at play here is Stevenson. He was Butes mandatory prior to Froch and stepped aside and became Carls immediately after. He must have done it again for the unification fight and then managed to land the Dawson gig. Should he win I suppose he may not come back down but he's most definitely in the mix and a dangerous opponent.
No one is mentioning Bika.
He is fighting for the proper WBC belt on June 22nd against Periban.
Bika Froch would be a fun fight and I could see Bika giving Froch a hard time. He is a big puncher and will not stand back and respect Carl.
It could be fun, but imo froch would end up with a somewhat wide decision. bika any time he's mixed it up with the top 5 or so has always fallen short.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
None of those other fighters take half the punches Froch does. It would be fun because Froch is easy to hit and Bika is strong.Quote:
Originally Posted by arminIt could be fun, but imo froch would end up with a somewhat wide decision. bika any time he's mixed it up with the top 5 or so has always fallen short.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
He should fight Ward and retire.
I actually think Cleverly
would be a good fight though
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Originally Posted by beenKOedNow there is a pointless fight. It's obvious Kessler is not what he was-due to inactivity, lost desire or whatever-unless your goal is to put money in Froch's pocketQuote:
Originally Posted by tysonesque
I disagree. I think if you take away the first three rounds, then you have a very close fight between Kessler and Froch. I gave Kessler the first round, but I appear to be the only one who did so. I had the fight 115-113 Froch. That is no walk in the park. I thought the 118-110 card was retarded.
Kessler landed something astronomical like 55% of his power shots. He also landed a ton of jabs when he threw them. His left hook shook Carl Froch to his boots in the 11th. In fact, I would argue the better punches were landed by Kessler in the fight. I just think Froch controlled the pace better throughout the court of the night.
I would like to see a rubber match between the two.
I think an Andre Ward fight makes sense for the reason that it gives Froch an opportunity to avenge his loss. The problem is that I don't see it happening. I think Ward beats him again. Then he has his current momentum ruined.
Hopkins-Froch is interesting from a legacy perspective in comparison to Calzaghe because Calzaghe beat Hopkins. I see the point there.
Groves isn't a bad match-up either.
Bottom line for me, Kessler in a rubber match, Hopkins at 170, or Groves.
Bika is a step back though in terms of legacy and money. I'm not sure what a win over Bute would do for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossNone of those other fighters take half the punches Froch does. It would be fun because Froch is easy to hit and Bika is strong.Quote:
Originally Posted by arminIt could be fun, but imo froch would end up with a somewhat wide decision. bika any time he's mixed it up with the top 5 or so has always fallen short.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
I could see a Stieglitz unification fight being big.
Also, a fight with Chavez Junior would be interesting
Agree on Froch-Kessler, I had it 115-113 too. When Kessler started slipping the jab after 3-4 rounds he had a lot of success, landed some great shots. It was a close but clear win for Froch for me. I'd be more interested in seeing a 3rd fight over a Ward rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratQuote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedNow there is a pointless fight. It's obvious Kessler is not what he was-due to inactivity, lost desire or whatever-unless your goal is to put money in Froch's pocketQuote:
Originally Posted by tysonesque
I disagree. I think if you take away the first three rounds, then you have a very close fight between Kessler and Froch. I gave Kessler the first round, but I appear to be the only one who did so. I had the fight 115-113 Froch. That is no walk in the park. I thought the 118-110 card was retarded.
Kessler landed something astronomical like 55% of his power shots. He also landed a ton of jabs when he threw them. His left hook shook Carl Froch to his boots in the 11th. In fact, I would argue the better punches were landed by Kessler in the fight. I just think Froch controlled the pace better throughout the court of the night.
I would like to see a rubber match between the two.
I think an Andre Ward fight makes sense for the reason that it gives Froch an opportunity to avenge his loss. The problem is that I don't see it happening. I think Ward beats him again. Then he has his current momentum ruined.
Hopkins-Froch is interesting from a legacy perspective in comparison to Calzaghe because Calzaghe beat Hopkins. I see the point there.
Groves isn't a bad match-up either.
Bottom line for me, Kessler in a rubber match, Hopkins at 170, or Groves.
I'd rather see a Cleverly fight than a Hopkins one too - though I know it's highly unlikely to happen. I don't see the appeal in fighting Hopkins, it's almost guaranteed to be an ugly fight and how much credit would Froch really be given for beating a 50 year old man? And if he lost...
I don't see a Groves fight happening anytime soon, I think they'll look to get Groves in with Stieglitz next to try and get a strap, have him defend it a few times and look to build him for a fight with Froch in a few years time.
Froch beat kessler by 2-3 rounds period.
He also came on strong at the end and nearly knocked him out.
Froch deserves nothing but props for his fearless attitude in his trade.
He is one the best superweights and i wish him the very best in avenging his loss to ward.
Ward is his only obstacle to greatness.
No it's not retarded, by your own admission you were in the minority scoring round one to Kessler. Doug Fischer, the The Ring writer, had Froch winning 115-113 but gave round 12 to Kessler, a round that the majority scored for Froch.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratQuote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedNow there is a pointless fight. It's obvious Kessler is not what he was-due to inactivity, lost desire or whatever-unless your goal is to put money in Froch's pocketQuote:
Originally Posted by tysonesque
I disagree. I think if you take away the first three rounds, then you have a very close fight between Kessler and Froch. I gave Kessler the first round, but I appear to be the only one who did so. I had the fight 115-113 Froch. That is no walk in the park. I thought the 118-110 card was retarded.
Kessler landed something astronomical like 55% of his power shots. He also landed a ton of jabs when he threw them. His left hook shook Carl Froch to his boots in the 11th. In fact, I would argue the better punches were landed by Kessler in the fight. I just think Froch controlled the pace better throughout the court of the night.
I would like to see a rubber match between the two.
I think an Andre Ward fight makes sense for the reason that it gives Froch an opportunity to avenge his loss. The problem is that I don't see it happening. I think Ward beats him again. Then he has his current momentum ruined.
Hopkins-Froch is interesting from a legacy perspective in comparison to Calzaghe because Calzaghe beat Hopkins. I see the point there.
Groves isn't a bad match-up either.
Bottom line for me, Kessler in a rubber match, Hopkins at 170, or Groves.
No way on earth the fight was as wide as 118-110, however, it is clearly rational to get scores like that when judging on a round by round basis. This is why we get so many silly cries of "robbery" every week