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In my eyes, the reason Mayweather vs. Pacquiao didn't get made is because of Bob Arum. I think if anyone doubts that by calling Floyd a ducker is an idiot at this point. Floyd taking a fight with Alvarez to me tells the world that Arum didn't want to put his boy in there with Mayweather. I have so much respect for Floyd in taking this one as it is high risk, and he could have gone the easy route with a Khan fight.
The problem was one fighter not wanting the blood testing. Case close
That was one of the many reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Blood test and the Money percentage to each fighter but overall it has always been floyd former boss which is the former corrupt lawyer bob arum.
You beat me to this. I'm not going to say it was Arum alone that didn't make Pacquaio- Mayweather happen. I just think it's indicative of how deep the divide between Top Ranking and Golden Boy really is. That was the biggest money fight in boxing history and it wasn't made. As great as this bout is for boxing, it could be a cold winter and thats not good. They need to get over their shit and make fights.
Yeah but some fans claim Mayweather ducked Margarito & Cotto. Yet he fought Cotto as soon as he left Arum. Really, I think it is proven that Arum is the reason we don't get the best fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Well looking at it, Top Rank won't have much of a choice soon. The talent pool is with Golden Boy, and soon Arum will be forced to rely on rematches to make decent dough.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Look how big time promotion has played out since the will-they-won't-they situation a few years ago. Golden Boy have signed almost every meaningful fighter around the 140-147 weight classes. They're definitely the biggest promotional outfit in America right now. Top Rank would have been in an even worse position when it comes to making meaningful fights if Manny had fought Floyd and lost comprehensively. But because they didn't fight Arum has been able to match Manny against all his Top Rank guys and keep the big paydays coming for his firm. If Manny had fought and lost to Floyd three or more years ago Arum may have been well on the road to Don King land by now. There's no way Arum wanted that fight to happen.
Bob arum has billions.
He was always the reason but it doesnt matter..marquez made everyone wake up and they jumped to the canelo steamtrain.
If Floyd hadn't left Arum we would have never got Oscar-Floyd, Arum basically admitted he doesn't like his fighters to take risks when he said Cotto shouldn't have fought Trout, think about this Arum is the reason we are being robbed of Mares, Santa Cruz, Rigo, Ponce, Gamboa, Russell, Mikeyand Donaire all mixing it up.
Floyd Mayweather didn't want to do business with Bob Arum either. It's a two way street. I think there's a lot of smoke and mirrors here on both sides. I really have a hard time believing Golden Boy is any different than Top Rank.
At the end of the day, Floyd wouldn't do business with Bob Arum, and Bob Arum wouldn't do business with Floyd. That's the bottom line.
Maybe I've turned cynical, but I blame both parties.
Doesn't Arum owe Floyd and Oscar a bunch of money? If some scumbag promoter robbed me of a bunch of money and I attained the position where I can make money without them... I would leave them and make sure they never made money from me again. But I'd also let him know how much money I'm making without him and demonstrate it by walking away from the biggest grossing fight of all time and then sign a record breaking multi fight contract and be the highest paid athlete year in and year out without them.
That's the big fuck you to bob from Floyd and Oscar.
Both parties are to blame and it will go down in history as perhaps the biggest blunder of all time.
In boxing, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
I have no idea what the problem is between TopRank and GoldenBoy but there is some deep seated hatred there.
Letting a mega fight get away is unbelievable, but they did.
This is the same Floyd that has ignored the fight for the past 12 months and forced Canelo to move his fight with Trout from his undercard because Floyd was going back on a promise to face him next!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
People should thank Guerreo for this fight....if the numbers and losses on that fight for the network hadn't been so fucked up Floyd wouldn't have had his hand rammed up his back to make this happen!
I'm sure Arum deserves his fair share of the blame, he's a scumbag we all know that. But IMO it was the ego of two prima-donna boxing talents that got in the way of this mega fight.
What were the numbers for the Guerrero-Floyd fight?
Yes Arum is to blame but if Manny really wanted the fight he could have forced Arum to make it.
Not to be a dick but, we all knew this.
However I don't think Floyd was disappointed that the fight never happened.
He would have gotten less money percentage vs Pacquiao because he's also a big draw.
However now he'd get a much bigger chunk since Pacquiao has lost 2, so I believe Floyd would be happier to accept now.
The problem with this argument is that, to put it in Scientific Method terms, Alvarez does not control for PacMan. You haven't isolated the variable to Arum.
In other words, while Alvarez is a top lb-4-lber, he's still not where PacMan was during the time in question: a sure-fire HOFer who may very well break the top-10 or even 5 all-time list.
So, its still possible that fear of PacMan was the problem. Not saying it was, but its plausible. In other words, if you have the courage to chat up a pretty girl at the local pub, it doesn't follow that you would've necessarily done the same with Megan Fox.
Are your serious pacman top 10 or 5 of all time bullshitQuote:
Originally Posted by Manju
Well, during the timeframe in question...approximately from Pac's ODLH fight to the Margarito one (with Hatton, Cotto, and Clottey in between) the idea of PacMan being ranked that high seemed plausible.Quote:
Originally Posted by g3org3
Indeed, the Mayweather camp's reaction lends credence to the argument. Those fights formed the basis of the "Pac must be doing PEDs" theory. No fighter in history coming up that much in weight had proceeded to dominate like Pac did. That was PBF & Co's own argument. We were witnessing something unprecedented, something impossible to do without cheating. And frankly, I don't blame them for being skeptical.
But if you don't blame them, then you must concede that Pac was doing something historical. Roberto Duran, who routinely cracks the top-10 and is somewhat comparable to Pac, was not able to dominate welterweights like this...and he was bigger than PacMan.
Does the KO to JMM now put him out of the running? I haven't the slightest, but its irrelevant. The PacMan who dominated welters is the one we are comparing to Alvarez. They are in different leagues.
Having said that, what will likely really prevent Pac from cracking the top-10 is the PBF non-fight. The same may apply to PBF himself. Had these 2 men met in their prime, the winner would've likely been catapulted up to the cream of the all-time crop. They needed each other.
So take PBF for example. No matter what he does, its going to be hard to rank him above SRL. The latter defeated Duran, Hagler, and Hearns....at or close to their primes. PBF has JMM, thats impressive. Maybe ODLH and Mosely, but they were aging. But a win against a prime PacMan could've realistically catapulted him over SRL, given the rest of his dominance.
And the reason that is, is because the prime PacMan commanded a prime-Duran level of respect.