Who has Broner fought that Malignaggi wouldn't have beaten?

Really? Who has Broner actually fought to warrant all this hype?

Not one person picks Malignaggi to beat him. Except me!

Jump in 2 weights for this fight, but he hasn't fought anyone considered top at the previous weight, DeMarco at a push, and I think (quite obviously) that Malignaggi takes DeMarco just as easy as Broner did, maybe not on a KO though.

I don't get it, he hasn't out classed any top, top fighter in my opinion and the De Leon fight was very close.

Wilder gets bad hype because he hasn't fought a great deal of talent, yet Broner is the next Floyd, albeit he has fought some decent fighters, but not enough for me to consider him the next big thing.

While Broner is stepping up, considering how much he actually gets hit, do you think he'll stay up and take on a Mattyese or Canelo? Hardly.

youre probably right in sayng that malinagi would have had the same record as broner had he fought the same fighters as broner, and its down to size

and you have to consider it as if each fight was at welterweight as that is what the malinagi broner fight is at

@Vendettos, you're absolutely right in that Broner hasn't really been tested, and you're right that Paulie would have beaten all his foes, but Dawson would have beaten everyone Stevenson has faced and look what happened on Saturday. Paulie gets hit far too much for someone of his style and like I said in the other thread, he wasn't hard to find against Hatton. Broner is a wide lightweight, he's strong, he has decent pop and incredible speed. I just can't see Paulie staying away from this and landing enough over 12 rounds to take a decision. I'm not saying it is an easy fight, because Paulie can box and is tough as nails, but I think Broner will hand him a beating and I think he'll make it look easy too. Broner still deserves alot of credit if he wins this, it is a ballsy move to jump 2 weight divisions to take on a seasoned opponent.

my post a couple of posts up doesnt make a lot of sense does it? i hope you understood

I'm going with Paul myself. Paul always had a good chin and good skillset. He's not going to come staight in and he will or at least capable of jabbing for 12 rounds. Not to mention, he been up at this weight for 3 fights now.

I like Broner. But not sold on him yet. Because he took the lightest puncher possible makes me wonder. He could have stayed at 135 and fought a number of guys that would have tested him. Not to mention fighting at 140. The top 10 at 140 all would have tested Broner. He got star power, but not a resume' yet.

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Paulie is quick and slick, with a very fast jab, not farfetched that with Broners plod forward style that Paul can pick him off for 12 rounds.

Nothing he has done warrants the massive gap in favoritism I this fight.

Someone said 7/1 and nothing has me sold on Broner enough to make me even consider that as fair.

Paulie MD

It's not just about who you beat it's the way that you do it. Every other week fighters with inferior records on paper win, and they don't all start underdog, quite the contrary.

For sure Broner is a Grade 1 complete and utter cunt. However, you can't deny he hasn't got impressive skills and has been winning in style. Also Broner is 10 years younger than Paulie.

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It's not just about who you beat it's the way that you do it. Every other week fighters with inferior records on paper win, and they don't all start underdog, quite the contrary.

For sure Broner is a Grade 1 complete and utter cunt. However, you can't deny he hasn't got impressive skills and has been winning in style. Also Broner is 10 years younger than Paulie.

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But it's the level of talent he's beaten in style. He is good, no doubt, his skill set is pretty good, he's slick and has some power, but he hasn't fought anyone near worthy of making him the next Floyd.

I could hand pick guys with feather fists that I know are worse than me, and win in style, as could you.

Floyd fights guys that he could lose too, top class guys that have earned it. Never one time have I given a guy a chance against Broner, except Paulie.

P De Leon should have had the draw. I think Matthysse stops him inside 2 if Broner stays up and continues at this level and they ever meet. Broner isn't hard to hit, if Rees had a decent punch their fight would have been interesting because Rees hit him so many times in the first 3.

Well I'm certainly not calling him the "next Mayweather," but he does look very talented.

He is only 23. If he lives up to the hype, and shows the same talent up in class, I'm sure he'll have lots of big names on his record over the next few years.

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Paulie is quick and slick, with a very fast jab, not farfetched that with Broners plod forward style that Paul can pick him off for 12 rounds.

Nothing he has done warrants the massive gap in favoritism I this fight.

Someone said 7/1 and nothing has me sold on Broner enough to make me even consider that as fair.

Paulie MD

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I'll argue this point. Paulie is quick, but Broner is quicker IMO. Also, Paulie isn't slick. He fights with a slick style, but he is far too easy to hit to be referred to as slick. He is tough, which is why he gets away with it, but Paulie is hardly a Mayweather. I'll happily sig bet this one if you want, but I see no way Paulie comes out with a win is this one. I just think Broner has the edge in speed, power and strength. Paulie has better footwork, but all the shit they've talked in the build up to this fight will mean he won't want to run as much.

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Well I'm certainly not calling him the "next Mayweather," but he does look very talented.

He is only 23. If he lives up to the hype, and shows the same talent up in class, I'm sure he'll have lots of big names on his record over the next few years.

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I have no doubt.

Look it's not that I don't like him, even if he is a proper bellend, I tend to ignore a boxers personal life, as I don't watch for the drama of his own issues.

That's why I can ignore Tyson being a rapist, or Valero being a murderer.

I just find it ridiculous that a forum full of boxing fans, are so 1 dimensional in thought processing. Nothing to me says that Broner is the favorite.

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Paulie is quick and slick, with a very fast jab, not farfetched that with Broners plod forward style that Paul can pick him off for 12 rounds.

Nothing he has done warrants the massive gap in favoritism I this fight.

Someone said 7/1 and nothing has me sold on Broner enough to make me even consider that as fair.

Paulie MD

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I'll argue this point. Paulie is quick, but Broner is quicker IMO. Also, Paulie isn't slick. He fights with a slick style, but he is far too easy to hit to be referred to as slick. He is tough, which is why he gets away with it, but Paulie is hardly a Mayweather. I'll happily sig bet this one if you want, but I see no way Paulie comes out with a win is this one. I just think Broner has the edge in speed, power and strength. Paulie has better footwork, but all the shit they've talked in the build up to this fight will mean he won't want to run as much.

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Paulie is quick and slick, with a very fast jab, not farfetched that with Broners plod forward style that Paul can pick him off for 12 rounds.

Nothing he has done warrants the massive gap in favoritism I this fight.

Someone said 7/1 and nothing has me sold on Broner enough to make me even consider that as fair.

Paulie MD

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I'll argue this point. Paulie is quick, but Broner is quicker IMO. Also, Paulie isn't slick. He fights with a slick style, but he is far too easy to hit to be referred to as slick. He is tough, which is why he gets away with it, but Paulie is hardly a Mayweather. I'll happily sig bet this one if you want, but I see no way Paulie comes out with a win is this one. I just think Broner has the edge in speed, power and strength. Paulie has better footwork, but all the shit they've talked in the build up to this fight will mean he won't want to run as much.

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You're on.

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brave man

its good to stick your neck out like that sometimes

One hope paulie has is that his size is a big advantage, i havent seen them stood next to each other so i dont know if there is any significant differrence, Paulie has fought big hitters in divisions north of broner tho so perhaps broners power wont be that significant

think what you like about gavin rees, he might not be top end world class but one thing is he is very tough, i havent ever seen him in any kind of trouble before appart from against kotelnik and in that fight he took so much punishment over 10 or 11 rounds or what ever it was he was just knackered, broner hurt him badly every time he made contact

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Well I'm certainly not calling him the "next Mayweather," but he does look very talented.

He is only 23. If he lives up to the hype, and shows the same talent up in class, I'm sure he'll have lots of big names on his record over the next few years.

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I have no doubt.

Look it's not that I don't like him, even if he is a proper bellend, I tend to ignore a boxers personal life, as I don't watch for the drama of his own issues.

That's why I can ignore Tyson being a rapist, or Valero being a murderer.

I just find it ridiculous that a forum full of boxing fans, are so 1 dimensional in thought processing. Nothing to me says that Broner is the favorite.

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Err... what? One dimensional thinking? The fight is between an unbeaten super talented 23-year-old, being groomed for stardom, against a powderpuff punching borderline veteran that has taken a sick beating everytime he's gone into "elite" level.

1. Paulie has zero chance of winning by KO.
2. Paulie has zero chance of getting it on the cards (even if it's close).
3. If Paulie had a chance the fight wouldn't even be happening. They are basically stealing a belt from the weakest title holder at 147.

If you think Paulie is the favourite, and you trust your judgement, you have the opportunity to win an absolute FORTUNE!!! Good luck mate.

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Paulie is quick and slick, with a very fast jab, not farfetched that with Broners plod forward style that Paul can pick him off for 12 rounds.

Nothing he has done warrants the massive gap in favoritism I this fight.

Someone said 7/1 and nothing has me sold on Broner enough to make me even consider that as fair.

Paulie MD

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I'll argue this point. Paulie is quick, but Broner is quicker IMO. Also, Paulie isn't slick. He fights with a slick style, but he is far too easy to hit to be referred to as slick. He is tough, which is why he gets away with it, but Paulie is hardly a Mayweather. I'll happily sig bet this one if you want, but I see no way Paulie comes out with a win is this one. I just think Broner has the edge in speed, power and strength. Paulie has better footwork, but all the shit they've talked in the build up to this fight will mean he won't want to run as much.

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brave man

its good to stick your neck out like that sometimes

One hope paulie has is that his size is a big advantage, i havent seen them stood next to each other so i dont know if there is any significant differrence, Paulie has fought big hitters in divisions north of broner tho so perhaps broners power wont be that significant

think what you like about gavin rees, he might not be top end world class but one thing is he is very tough, i havent ever seen him in any kind of trouble before appart from against kotelnik and in that fight he took so much punishment over 10 or 11 rounds or what ever it was he was just knackered, broner hurt him badly every time he made contact

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Yeah people will say "Gavin Rees is shit" but he's never been outclassed like that. Broner made him look like a complete mug - which was down to Broner's class not Rees "shitness"

No one. Fans want a new superstar, the next coming. Networks want the same and force feed it. It's up to us to look beyond the smoke and mirrors. Right now Broner is more smoke than fire with but a single lone convincing win over a top opponent. He is a developing talent, but any man who cheaply strives so hard to impersonate and need-wants fans to think of another I have serious doubts about. Paulie is on the end but a massive personality... literally a face of the network...basically lost his last fight but still owns a trinket that's why Broner is taking this. He'll grind Paulie down on the inside and stop him via cuts and lumps 8-10 and people will shit themselves with a vision of the self anointed king.

I think Broner stops him late. Paulie looked old and slow last time out. The Golden Boy people know Paulie and what he as left better than anyone and have offered him more money than he could get anywhere else so that Broner is the guy to get his belt. This is going to be a showcase for Broner.

I'll agree Broner is getting a little overhyped and hasn't fought anyone Paulie probably wouldn't have beaten, but you've also got to consider that it works the other way just as easily. Malignaggi has never won any of his big fights or beaten anyone Broner wouldn't have smoked as well. Watch Malignaggis last fight, he looked like absolute shit and clearly lost imo, against a guy who is obviously not on Broners level regardless of what you think about him. He was rocked and dropped hard by a really crude light hitter who pretty well entered the ring with a cut worthy of stopping the fight. This fight was handpicked as the path of least resistance to get Broner a strap at 147, it quite simply wouldn't have been made if people in the know thought Paulie had any kind of chance.

Unfortunately Paulie has next to no chance. The fight wouldn't be happening if he did.

I think that's really the bottom line, there was no sensible reason for Broner not to stick around 140 unless he is pretty well content to be spoonfed for a while. It's all dandy to rag on Broner for being groomed like he has, but this fight is merely continuing the trend. There are at least 4 or 5 guys at 140 who would beat the crap out of Malignaggi and obviously Mattyhse or Garcia would be huge threats to Broner as well, but those fights don't seem likely to happen do they. Who is Adrian planning to fight at 147 anyways, aside from Mayweather it's more or less a wasteland presently.

This is difficult to answer as they have fought at different weights. I still do not think this is a good move for Brother, just gives him a strap at a weight he would get beat at from the better fighters. There are better fights for him at the weight below.

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This is difficult to answer as they have fought at different weights. I still do not think this is a good move for Brother, just gives him a strap at a weight he would get beat at from the better fighters. There are better fights for him at the weight below.

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The better fighters, Floyd aside, aren't at 147 right now Master. I think that's exactly why Broner is taking this fight, to a lot of people it makes him look like some kind of monster who can win titles at 3 weights before his balls have dropped. In reality, it's just a bullshit way to get around actually fighting some of the danger men at 140 imo.

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No one. Fans want a new superstar, the next coming. Networks want the same and force feed it. It's up to us to look beyond the smoke and mirrors. Right now Broner is more smoke than fire with but a single lone convincing win over a top opponent. He is a developing talent, but any man who cheaply strives so hard to impersonate and need-wants fans to think of another I have serious doubts about. Paulie is on the end but a massive personality... literally a face of the network...basically lost his last fight but still owns a trinket that's why Broner is taking this. He'll grind Paulie down on the inside and stop him via cuts and lumps 8-10 and people will shit themselves with a vision of the self anointed king.

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Manifest destiny.

But seriously the mans talent is not smoke and mirrors amigo. He's got a unique style behind that shoulder that's as different to Floyds as Floyds is to Wards but its just as effective and he's still a work in progress. Yup, his Mr. dress up personality is hard to take.Those that are clamoring for the next super star or Floyd replacement are part of the problem. Its why only certain weight classes and certain teams get all the play. How come Roman Gonzalez does not get any prime time? One would think that in this connected world we would be watching 20 real stars instead of having the air let out of an entire sport because two premadonnas could not get it together for a hundred million. Certainly cant blame Broner for cashing in on a system that allows him to do so.Not a fan of tin collecting myself buy hey when in Rome.... Excuse the little vent.

To the question asked its like asking who on Armstrongs list of foes would Ross have trouble with.

Btw I do agree that Broner could implode at some point. He could very well be on shaky ground upstairs.

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No one. Fans want a new superstar, the next coming. Networks want the same and force feed it. It's up to us to look beyond the smoke and mirrors. Right now Broner is more smoke than fire with but a single lone convincing win over a top opponent. He is a developing talent, but any man who cheaply strives so hard to impersonate and need-wants fans to think of another I have serious doubts about. Paulie is on the end but a massive personality... literally a face of the network...basically lost his last fight but still owns a trinket that's why Broner is taking this. He'll grind Paulie down on the inside and stop him via cuts and lumps 8-10 and people will shit themselves with a vision of the self anointed king.

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Manifest destiny.

But seriously the mans talent is not smoke and mirrors amigo. He's got a unique style behind that shoulder that's as different to Floyds as Floyds is to Wards but its just as effective and he's still a work in progress. Yup, his Mr. dress up personality is hard to take.Those that are clamoring for the next super star or Floyd replacement are part of the problem. Its why only certain weight classes and certain teams get all the play. How come Roman Gonzalez does not get any prime time? One would think that in this connected world we would be watching 20 real stars instead of having the air let out of an entire sport because two premadonnas could not get it together for a hundred million. Certainly cant blame Broner for cashing in on a system that allows him to do so.Not a fan of tin collecting myself buy hey when in Rome.... Excuse the little vent.

To the question asked its like asking who on Armstrongs list of foes would Ross have trouble with.

Btw I do agree that Broner could implode at some point. He could very well be on shaky ground upstairs.

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The mentality of Manifest Destiny and smoke and mirrors goes hand in hand, save for the ooopsy near genocide, nothing to do with his talent but the force feeding and tunnel vision the networks take with too few..as I called Broner..."a developing talent" ;) In this case however he is lumped into the mentions of greats with little scrutiny...less on proof and mostly on promise. It pays to be connected for sure and he's doing what we all would but people need to have perspective is all.

I really do think his use of a shoulder roll is different from either Mayweather or Ward if only for the fact that hes showing it agaist the OP's basic question..."who has he fought"? Mayweather was leaps and bounds ahead of him at same respected stage of career so until he can do the same with much better opponents there is no way we can really say Its just as effective..can we? Wasn't exactly rolling outta Gavin Rees nerf balls was he, and I can't believe a guy lets himself be hit because he doesn't feel it. Good way to get KTFO right che.