Style wise which past or present heavyweight fighters would make great entertaining and enthralling contests.
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Style wise which past or present heavyweight fighters would make great entertaining and enthralling contests.
Would live to see The Klits in with any past great, Ali, Tyson, Foreman, Fraizer, Lewis. See how good they really are
Style wise Vitali v George Foreman and Wlad v Evander HolyfieldQuote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
I'm going to try and just use a fighter 1 time because otherwise I'd list 1,000 fights and wouldn't be able to get your opinions on them.
'Iron' Mike Tyson vs Riddick 'Big Daddy' Bowe - Good style matchup and around the time Mike got released from prison it would have been a very even match
Evander 'Real Deal' Holyfield vs Ron Lyle - 2 tough sons a bitches prime for prime it would have been a war in the ring!
Michael 'MM' Moorer vs Andrew Golota - a boxer/puncher with some confidence problems vs a solid technical boxer with very little mental toughness
'The Acorn' Earnie Shavers vs David 'The Terminator' Tua 2 huge punchers, 2 smallish heavyweights, would it even last 4 rounds?
'Relentless' Lamon Brewster vs Donovan 'Razor' Ruddock power vs power, stamina and a chin vs a guy who was hit or miss
'The White Wolf' Sergei Lyakhovich vs Tommy 'The Duke' Morrison a good solid boxer vs a slugger
Lennox Lewis vs 'The Easton Assassin' Larry Holmes - 2 pugilist specialists who are both consistently overshadowed by Mike Tyson (but they were greater).
'Dr. Ironfist' Vitali Klitschko vs 'The President' Ike Ibeabuchi - I picked this matchup based on the hypothetical greatness of each guy who you could argue missed their primes due to injury (or brain dysfunction)
'Dr. Steel Hammer' Wladimir Klitschko vs 'Terrible' Tim Witherspoon - The current heavyweight champ vs a guy who fought Larry Holmes (a fighter much like Wlad) tooth and nail!
'Smokin' Joe Frazier vs 'Black Heracles' Ken Norton - Pressure fighter vs a very strong guy who was not known for his chin.
'The Brockton Blockbuster' Rocky Marciano vs Floyd Patterson This fight almost happened, prime for prime would have been a hell of a scrap.
'The Brown Bomber' Joe Louis vs 'Manassa Mauler' Jack Dempsey A cold calculating stalk you down power puncher vs a wild haymaker throwing frothing at the mouth tiger of a fighter
'Big' George Foreman vs Nicolay Valuev....it would be fun...it would ;D
Michael 'Dynamite' Dokes vs Chris 'Rapid Fire' Byrd two of the best defensive fighters of their era...who would win between them
Charles 'Sonny' Liston vs 'Smokin' Bert Cooper Power vs power, similar sized heavyweights
Shannon 'The Cannon' Briggs vs 'The Nigerian Nightmare' Sam Peter - they talked about fighting but never got around to it. Would have been a hell of a scrap at one point in time.
Sooooo.....ummmm you guys care to pick some winners of those fights I listed?
'Iron' Mike Tyson vs Riddick 'Big Daddy' Bowe - prime for prime I pick Tyson, but if we're going 90's I'd take Bowe.
Evander 'Real Deal' Holyfield vs Ron Lyle - Holyfield by TKO
Michael 'MM' Moorer vs Andrew Golota - Moorer by KO
'The Acorn' Earnie Shavers vs David 'The Terminator' Tua - Tua by BRUTAL ko
'Relentless' Lamon Brewster vs Donovan 'Razor' Ruddock - Razor Ruddock
'The White Wolf' Sergei Lyakhovich vs Tommy 'The Duke' Morrison - Morrison
Lennox Lewis vs 'The Easton Assassin' Larry Holmes - That's a hard one for me. I'll go with Holmes in a very close decision, won through his superior jab
'Dr. Ironfist' Vitali Klitschko vs 'The President' Ike Ibeabuchi - Vitali all day
'Dr. Steel Hammer' Wladimir Klitschko vs 'Terrible' Tim Witherspoon - Wlad all day
'Smokin' Joe Frazier vs 'Black Heracles' Ken Norton - Joe Frazier for sure
'The Brockton Blockbuster' Rocky Marciano vs Floyd Patterson - I'll go with Marciano but I think Patterson has a much better chance than people would give him credit for
'The Brown Bomber' Joe Louis vs 'Manassa Mauler' Jack Dempsey - Louis by brutal smashing
'Big' George Foreman vs Nicolay Valuev - Foreman
Michael 'Dynamite' Dokes vs Chris 'Rapid Fire' Byrd - Byrd
Charles 'Sonny' Liston vs 'Smokin' Bert Cooper - Liston
Shannon 'The Cannon' Briggs vs 'The Nigerian Nightmare' Sam Peter - Briggs
I agree with pretty much all your predictions, except for Witherspoon vs Klitschko. Witherspoon in his prime was pretty damn good, with a solid jab and a great fight hand to boot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
I think once he lands that crushing right hand on Klitschko its all over, plus Witherspoon in his prime was pretty durable i think he could take what Klitschko dished out.
Interesting picks....I agree with some of them but not all. I think a Prime Ron Lyle is one of the most dangerous fighters ever certainly the best fighter to never win the title. I think he could get to Evander who got hurt more than a few times.
I think Lamon Brewster beats Ruddock too because the man just had a granite chin and Ruddock was apt to leave himself open to counters as the Morrison fight proved.
Morrison would have a hell of a time vs Liakhovich due to Sergei's solid boxing ability it would be a brawl though.
Holmes v Foreman – Holmes schooling big George
Rocky v Dempsey – war of attrition with Rocky comming out a bloody winner
Lennox v Wlad – battle of the jabs and boxing skills with Lennox getting a stoppage mid way.
Tyson v Fraiser – war in a telephone booth with Tyson’s boxing and defensive skills stopping Joe.
Louis v Tunney – out boxed early but Joe catches up and bombs out Gene to a late stoppage.
Spinks v Patterson – speed and skill with Spinks nicking the fight
Jack Johnson v John Sullivan – Johnson is a bloody 25 round fight followed by race riots.
PS
Cooney v Morrison – battle of the left hooks and who lands first, I say Cooney
I think Ron Lyle could hurt Holyfield for sure, but Holyfield had such a heart and chin he usually always recovered when he got hurt. I don't think Lyle lands as consistently as Toney or Bowe did, which is why I go for The Real Meal!Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
True enough but I think the power with which Ron lands would have opened Evander up to more damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerI think Ron Lyle could hurt Holyfield for sure, but Holyfield had such a heart and chin he usually always recovered when he got hurt. I don't think Lyle lands as consistently as Toney or Bowe did, which is why I go for The Real Meal!Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Also Hasim 'The Rock' Rahman vs Frank Bruno I would like that fight
Witherspoon was a handful for sure, and if we're talking Wlad of 2004 or before, I can see Tim getting to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
But I just don't see Tim outfoxing the Wlad of the past several years, and I wouldn't give him anything more than a puncher's chance against Wlad.
And yeah he was durable, but so is Ray Mercer and Wlad got to him. But it's an interesting fight either way. Tim is severely underrated.
Randall 'Tex' Cobb vs John 'The Quiet Man' Ruiz.....I know I know, boring yes but also fairly even
Of all the heavyweights to choose, you choose Ruiz!Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Ray Mercer was past his prime though, a prime Tim Witherspoon is a whole different story. Funnily enough Mercer fought Witherspoon when he was past his prime, and Witherspoon basically went dead even with him in an underrated fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerWitherspoon was a handful for sure, and if we're talking Wlad of 2004 or before, I can see Tim getting to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
But I just don't see Tim outfoxing the Wlad of the past several years, and I wouldn't give him anything more than a puncher's chance against Wlad.
And yeah he was durable, but so is Ray Mercer and Wlad got to him. But it's an interesting fight either way. Tim is severely underrated.
Klitschko maybe more defensive but i still question his confidence, when he gets hit by a solid fighter with good power in Witherspoon will he crumble ? Witherspoon has proven he can take shots for the full distance has Klitschko ?
No matter what anyone tells me about Klitschko, i still think he's an accident waiting to happen. And with Witherspoon's crushing overhand right which is best weapon against taller opponents, i see Witherspoon connecting and Klitschko crumbling under the pressure.
I think that this would be a pretty good fight. If Ruiz tried to grab and hold Cobb, Tex would kick him.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterOf all the heavyweights to choose, you choose Ruiz!Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
McCall vs Mercer...fun times. On a total random but style wise...Jeremy Williams vs Monte Barret??? Tommy Morrison vs Corrie Sanders.
Mercer v McCall is the battle of the great chins.
Bert Cooper v Joe Fraiser :)
Jack Johnson vs Foreman
Roy Jones vs Michael Spinks
Lewis vs Vitali II
Tyson vs Mccall
Sanders vs Shavers
Wlad vs Valuev
Morrison vs Bruno
Holyfield vs Louis
Holmes vs Ali
Haye vs Frazier
Liston vs Toney
Buster Douglas vs Byrd
Great ones bud...I've changed my mind on Lewis-Holmes and back again since. Good head scratchers here!Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Tyson Fury v Tyson / or Big George , Or Lennox
Jack Johnson vs Foreman - Foreman by KO...Johnson was big for his era, but Foreman would have had a ball fighting a guy like Johnson
Roy Jones vs Michael Spinks - Spinks gives RJ trouble, but not enough to where RJ loses. RJJ UD
Lewis vs Vitali II - If they did have a rematch given the relative states of both of their careers after the first fight. Vitali weathers a storm of power punches and wears Lewis down in 9.
Tyson vs Mccall - Tyson by UD, McCall had a great chin but wasn't busy enough in the ring.
Sanders vs Shavers - The Acorn in 2. Sanders had power but Shavers was deadlya nd very quick in delivery.
Wlad vs Valuev -Oh I would love to see this fight STILL! Wlad by TKO 8, Valuev would be hard to put down, but Wlad would chop him down like a sequoia
Morrison vs Bruno - GREAT fight! Morrison hurting and flooring Bruno, but Frank comes back and catches Tommy flush ending the match in 6.
Holyfield vs Louis - Louis by TKO 11, Holyfield gives Joe trouble, but being a champ he works through it landing the harder punches rather than the larger quantity. The Scorecards even up late, but Joe's power wears down even the most PRIME Evander Holyfield and Louis shows why he's the greatest and closes the show with a savage flurry
Holmes vs Ali - Holmes SD, Ali baffles Holmes with his footwork and Holmes baffles Ali with his steady jab. Ali didn't like those kinds of fighters and this is a big ask of Ali.
Haye vs Frazier - Haye looks sharp early perhaps wobbling Smokin Joe, but once a few left hooks start flying then Haye gets more timid but can't run because Joe keeps the pressure on him. The pressure wilts that delicate little flower Haye and Frazier repeatedly rocks him in the corner, Haye only being held up by the ropes and the ref calls it TKO 7
Liston vs Toney - This is a very intriguing matchup and if all Liston had was his huge right cross, then I'd say Toney wins but since Liston also had a solid jab I think Liston gets troubled a few rounds here and there to win a close decision.
Buster Douglas vs Byrd - Prime vs Prime, I think the Douglas that beat Tyson has a good hard fight vs Byrd. Byrd gives back as good as he gets but loses a UD because Buster would land the more significant shots and Byrd has very little power.
Great list of fights
Holyfield-Golota
Wladimir Klitschko-Ken Norton
Bruno-Brewster
Haye-Moorer
Marciano-Bob Foster
Joe Mesi-Tyson Fury
Joe Louis-Joe Frazier
Riddick Bowe-Shannon Briggs
Michael Grant-David Price
Floyd Patterson-Michael Spinks
James Toney-Michael Dokes
Tommy Morrison-Ron Lyle
Gerry Cooney-George Chuvalo
Adamek-Jirov
Roy Jones Jr.-Bert Cooper
Mike Tyson-Ray Mercer
Vitali Klitschko-Nicolay Valuev
Ok going to try a couple of non-greats on my match-ups
Gerrie Coetzee vs Michael moorer
Bert cooper vs Gary mason
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Originally Posted by YIDDLE
Hahahaha Cooper v Mason would have been a good scrap.
Holyfield KO10 Golota
Wladimir Klitschko KO9 Ken Norton
Bruno gets stopped late by Brewster
Haye KO2 right hand Moorer
Marciano KO5 Bob Foster
Joe Mesi Draw Tyson Fury
Joe Louis KO14 Joe Frazier
Riddick Bowe KO6 Shannon Briggs
Michael Grant gets stopped by David Price
Floyd Patterson gets stopped by Michael Spinks in 6
James Toney gets out pointed by Michael Dokes
Tommy Morrison gets KOed early by Ron Lyle
Gerry Cooney gets stopped late by George Chuvalo
Adamek KO5 Jirov
Roy Jones Jr. gets topped by Bert Cooper
Mike Tyson PTS Ray Mercer
Vitali Klitschko KO6 Nicolay Valuev and timber
Joe Louis vs absolutely anyone. He was a ring marvel. I've watched hours upon hours of him an he never ceases to amaze. Light by today's standards but I have zero doubt he would have beaten all of them. Outside a bout involving Louis I would pick Tyson vs Ali/prime Larry Holmes, either Klit vs The Rock, cos God only knows what would be like
What about Bert Cooper v Joe Fraiser
Sorry mate , Norton went bye bye early when he met any type of puncher , Wlad would kill him, let alone ko him , Wlad in 1 round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
All 3 are ruled NC when Fury slips on the piss trail he leaves climbing into the ring and is carted off to the hospital.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Tyson pulls him out of the ambulance and makes him wash and wax his car first ;D
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliAll 3 are ruled NC when Fury slips on the piss trail he leaves climbing into the ring and is carted off to the hospital.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Tyson pulls him out of the ambulance and makes him wash and wax his car first ;D
HAHAHA classic