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Deontay Wilder vs Sergei Liakhovich
Wilder will fight Liakhovich August 9 in California or Alabama. Another step in the right direction for Wilder as Liakhovich has been in with better competition.
We haven't seen a lot of Wilder, so how do you think he will do against a struggling Liakhovich. Sergei has lost his last two fights.
I don't see anyone getting excited about this fight but I'd like to hear what you think anyway.
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Re: Deontay Wilder vs Sergei Liakhovich
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Wilder will fight Liakhovich August 9 in California or Alabama. Another step in the right direction for Wilder as Liakhovich has been in with better competition.
We haven't seen a lot of Wilder, so how do you think he will do against a struggling Liakhovich. Sergei has lost his last two fights.
I don't see anyone getting excited about this fight but I'd like to hear what you think anyway.
Awful!
Fighting a 37 year old with 5 losses and 4 KOs. Which wouldn't be so as but after 28(28.)-0-0 he should be stepping up.
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Stupid. Wilder is huge, athletic and can genuinely punch. You'd think this would get him some attention, but there is nothing else at all to deduct from a single fight he's had and this won't be any different. I'm always really dubious of this type of coddling, there is no reason he shouldn't have already fought a few guys who weren't there to lie down unless he is mega vulnerable.
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Stupid. Wilder is huge, athletic and can genuinely punch. You'd think this would get him some attention, but there is nothing else at all to deduct from a single fight he's had and this won't be any different. I'm always really dubious of this type of coddling, there is no reason he shouldn't have already fought a few guys who weren't there to lie down unless he is mega vulnerable.
There is a youtube clip of him getting dropped hard in the amteurs, although there is also the same thing for Tua by Savon.
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I'm ok with this fight. Briggs only stopped him in 12, Valuev couldn't do it so at least he should take Wilder some rounds and he did hold a version of the World Title. Best opponent thus far so he is stepping it, just at a snail pace.
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im ok with the fight too, wilder needs lots of fights
he's no chance of going anywhere at the minute
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I'm ok with this fight. Briggs only stopped him in 12, Valuev couldn't do it so at least he should take Wilder some rounds and he did hold a version of the World Title. Best opponent thus far so he is stepping it, just at a snail pace.
He was 30 when Briggs stopped him he's now 37.
This is NOT a step up.
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bzkfn
I'm ok with this fight. Briggs only stopped him in 12, Valuev couldn't do it so at least he should take Wilder some rounds and he did hold a version of the World Title. Best opponent thus far so he is stepping it, just at a snail pace.
He was 30 when Briggs stopped him he's now 37.
This is NOT a step up.
From Audley Harrison? I respectfully disagree.
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bzkfn
I'm ok with this fight. Briggs only stopped him in 12, Valuev couldn't do it so at least he should take Wilder some rounds and he did hold a version of the World Title. Best opponent thus far so he is stepping it, just at a snail pace.
He was 30 when Briggs stopped him he's now 37.
This is NOT a step up.
From Audley Harrison? I respectfully disagree.
Maybe, but a 37 year old coming off of 2 losses.
Play the game, Harrison was a step backwards.
At the end of the day he's yet to be in a fight that's fair in terms of ability, he's been massively the favorite in every fight and this is no exception.
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Obviously there are better opponents out there, but Liakhovich isn't bad...hell I suggested Wilder fight Dominick Guinn just to get rounds in, Sergei is far better than Guinn. Sergei should last some rounds and should box decently enough to give Wilder work which he needs. If Wilder could get John Ruiz out of retirement I think that would be a good fight for him. Maybe Ruslan Chagaev in the future.
Wilder needs experience and eventually he'll need experience vs a puncher or vs a guy who has the chin or defense that's able to handle his power. Wilder has fast powerful hands but he needs experience.
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The first opponent Wilder has that brings anything to the table.
Wilder should have been past this point by now, but he's not
and therefore, this is a reasonable opponent.
We'll at least be able to see if the coddling is merited or not.
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It's amazing, with very little effort, I can agree with every post so far.
Wilder and his team are puzzling and I hope the fight lasts a few rounds.
A big punching heavyweight always gets me excited, but at the rate this guy is advancing I don't know if I'll still be around when or if he fights for a title.
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Meh, another ghost. Hey it's a name if anything and he should take a quick beating rather than totally sustained like his last two fights. Tip toe through the tulips ever so quietly.
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Chisora was the perfect fight for him...shame that didn't happen
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I don't buy into this type of career path is all. If Wilder has any chance of being a great HW, why can't he fight another young prospect and find out where he's at? A loss would be great experience for him as well, and if he couldn't handle it then he's not made of the right stuff anyways. It's not as if being undefeated is winning him high praise from anyone in the first place. Fight Jennings who just beat the crap out of Liakovich, now that would be a really good fight to see happen.
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p4pking
I don't buy into this type of career path is all. If Wilder has any chance of being a great HW, why can't he fight another young prospect and find out where he's at? A loss would be great experience for him as well, and if he couldn't handle it then he's not made of the right stuff anyways. It's not as if being undefeated is winning him high praise from anyone in the first place. Fight Jennings who just beat the crap out of Liakovich, now that would be a really good fight to see happen.
Agreed. He's whistling through the graveyard before he actually takes a live body, literally, and runs a huge risk growing stale in false confidence going into a big fight. Scott, Jennings, Price, Mitchell have all stepped in reasonably deep and Mitchell has even "rebounded" though in extremely ugly fashion. I put Scott and Jennings much higher than Wilder.
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This is a cracking fight for Wilder, finally stepping up against a former world class opponent.
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People forget Wilder was a late starter to boxing (21 if I remember right). I think they're planning to move him up shortly to better competition, with a title shot within 2 years if all goes well.
I like the guy, hopefully will add some excitement to a pretty boring division.
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who's next zombie holyfield? The pace he's being moved at is just laughable
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I'm ok with this fight. Briggs only stopped him in 12, Valuev couldn't do it so at least he should take Wilder some rounds and he did hold a version of the World Title. Best opponent thus far so he is stepping it, just at a snail pace.
He was 30 when Briggs stopped him he's now 37.
This is NOT a step up.
From Audley Harrison? I respectfully disagree.
Maybe, but a 37 year old coming off of 2 losses.
Play the game, Harrison was a step backwards.
At the end of the day he's yet to be in a fight that's fair in terms of ability, he's been massively the favorite in every fight and this is no exception.
Liakhovic was doing very well against Helenius. One judge had him ahead. Considering he broke his nose in the 2nd round this was not bad going. He is a good fighter and is a massive step up for Wilder. I think this is the perfect opponent considering Jennings has just beat him and will give a good comparison for the two. After this they should fight each other. Id say they are both going to try and get Mitchell tho
Your last statement is just stupid. The Klits havent been in a competitive fight in years, always heavily odds on, as is Mayweather and the majority of top fighters.
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who's next zombie holyfield? The pace he's being moved at is just laughable
He's not got a very long history of being a boxer. He didn't have that many amateur fights and he was terribly raw starting out his pro career. Given the absolute FACT that Wladimir Klitschko is the king of the heavyweight division for as long as he wants to be I think Wilder will benefit from avoiding an unnecessary leap frog over good fighters to build and shape his style just to go on and get stomped out by Wladimir. Deontay needs to take things slowly...if he goes too fast he'll be Michael Grant 2.0.
Michael Grant by the way was 31-0-0 when he fought Lennox Lewis....just sayin
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Lyakhovich is completely shot.
He's won just 2 fights in the last 7 years, both against journeymen. The last was over three years ago.
18 months ago, he said he was retiring after his brutal beatings from Robert Helenius and Bryant Jennings.
Deontay ducks people closer to his own age like Chisora and Charr to fight old, shot opponents.
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I'm okay with this. I would rather see him being seasoned the right way then thrown to the wolves like a Price or Chisora who only had 15 fights into their careers.
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Lyakhovich is completely shot.
He's won just 2 fights in the last 7 years, both against journeymen. The last was over three years ago.
18 months ago, he said he was retiring after his brutal beatings from Robert Helenius and Bryant Jennings.
Deontay ducks people closer to his own age like Chisora and Charr to fight old, shot opponents.
Another one who comments without having seen the fights.
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Sergei blew my mind when he fought Brewster and have been a fan ever since..
This could be my heart talking but I don't believe he's totally shot.. If I remember correct, he did some decent bodywork on Helenius and with Wilder being so tall, he has a big target down there as well..
Wilder has the size, youthful energy, and a big right hand but he has so much to work on and if he doesn't come in well prepared, Sergei might show him a few things..
The way Lennox was schooling this guy is stuck in my head. WIlder is a typical modern day HW.. He has the physical attributes but he's far from a natural fighter.
War Sergei!!!
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The White Wolf has been training with Mike McCallum and he says he's putting everything on the line..
Im on the fence with this fight.
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Wilder started boxing at 18 and won a bronze medal less than 5 years later, this is a sport where dads and uncles take kids to the gym at 5 so he's been around boxing less than say Broner. I saw a video where Lennox is showing Deontay how to throw a jab, he's a work in progress. Who had Lucas fought at 27? Heavyweights also peak later, let's say Wilder fights this level for another 2 years he'll be 29 that's 12 years younger than Vitali is now, it's not like he is being shoved down our throats he's on ShoBox.
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Sergey is a shot fighter. He retired after the beatings from Helenius and Jennings.
Although the 2006 version of Sergey would be competitive with Wilder, the current shot inactive Lyakhovich has no chance of winning.
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Freedom
Sergey is a shot fighter. He retired after the beatings from Helenius and Jennings.
Although the 2006 version of Sergey would be competitive with Wilder, the current shot inactive Lyakhovich has no chance of winning.
Liakhovich has never been an active fighter even in his younger days. He fought Guinn in 04 and took over a year layoff before facing Brewster although he was younger at the time.
He also fought Helenius after a year layoff and from what i remember, he gave a good account of himself for the first 8 rounds or so. Infact I think he won most of those early rounds, correct me if im wrong.
06 version of Sergei would beat Wilder imo.
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Everything about Wilder screams fraud. It seems his management have little confidence in him. He reminds me of LaMar Clark:
LaMar Clark - Boxer
Liakhovich if motivated wins.
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Everything about Wilder screams fraud. It seems his management have little confidence in him. He reminds me of LaMar Clark:
LaMar Clark - Boxer
Liakhovich if motivated wins.
He's like a poor man's Michael Grant
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Everything about Wilder screams fraud. It seems his management have little confidence in him. He reminds me of LaMar Clark:
LaMar Clark - Boxer
Liakhovich if motivated wins.
He's like a poor man's Michael Grant
I would go further; he is like a Beggar's Michael Grant. Grant showed an ability in his pomp to beat fringe contenders.
Anyone now in the top 25 to 10 Heavyweights in the world, should be desperate A) Wilder gets through this fight with a win, and B) that he signs to fight them next. A very good money fight, with minimal risk for anyone who even resembles world class.
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Can't please everyone.
Wilder is being moved at a pace his handlers think is good for him. We can only truly assess the situation when we see the outcome of this strategy. We've seen other fringe contenders step up and lose recently: Chisora, Solis, Price, Mitchell, and I think after seeing those guys go through what they've gone through maybe his trainers feel it takes too much time to get to where he needs to be if he loses?
You have to remember, this is a guy from Alabama, not exactly the boxing Mecca of New York, New Jersey, California, or Las Vegas. He's big, he's raw, he need experience, he needs rounds, he needs to be tested but tested slowly. I think he's learning more in training camps than he is in the ring right now but eventually that needs to change.
If I was Wilder's trainer, I'd eventually want to see a win on points for no other reason than to see him do it. Liakhovich should be an early to mid rounds KO win...he's going to fight with a lot of heart though he always does and who knows what happens if Sergei catches him clean?
I think damn near everyone HOPES Wilder is "the real deal", but we're very apprehensive about whether or not he is just yet. I don't think the fight vs Sergei is going to prove much though...if it proves anything it'll probably be more negatives about Wilder than positives because we already know Deontay can punch.
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El Kabong
Can't please everyone.
Wilder is being moved at a pace his handlers think is good for him. We can only truly assess the situation when we see the outcome of this strategy. We've seen other fringe contenders step up and lose recently: Chisora, Solis, Price, Mitchell, and I think after seeing those guys go through what they've gone through maybe his trainers feel it takes too much time to get to where he needs to be if he loses?
You have to remember, this is a guy from Alabama, not exactly the boxing Mecca of New York, New Jersey, California, or Las Vegas. He's big, he's raw, he need experience, he needs rounds, he needs to be tested but tested slowly. I think he's learning more in training camps than he is in the ring right now but eventually that needs to change.
If I was Wilder's trainer, I'd eventually want to see a win on points for no other reason than to see him do it. Liakhovich should be an early to mid rounds KO win...he's going to fight with a lot of heart though he always does and who knows what happens if Sergei catches him clean?
I think damn near everyone HOPES Wilder is "the real deal", but we're very apprehensive about whether or not he is just yet. I don't think the fight vs Sergei is going to prove much though...if it proves anything it'll probably be more negatives about Wilder than positives because we already know Deontay can punch.
Chisoras step up to Fury he probably didn't see as a step up and that's why he didn't train. His real step up was against Helenius and was robbed. He then put a good performance against Vitali. His stock went up with these defeats and have impressed me a lot more the. Wilders wins.
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What time is wilder on???
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Charlo v Smith should have a fast pace, think distance. Just hope Smith doesn't yell and bark every time he throws. Comes in unofficial middleweight..absurd
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That was a good knockout for Charlo. Smith deserved to have that done.
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Brandon Bennett is led to the ring by Broner who thinks he can rap and needs to pull his pants up. Francisco Vargas looks all business
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What time is wilder on???
Will be next up, 50 minutes or less.
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I like Bennets movement off straight shots. Vargas really tracking him down in 2nd, lands good right and Bennett holds at end. Nice round!