Edwin Valero would have been a mad player in the current 140 division

I miss this fighter so much. I remember watching him spar in the gritty gyms of LA back in 04 when GBP had their eyes on him. This motherfucker could have been one of the greatest and shit, i shit you not.

There was this misconception of him being this one dimensional slugger but that was never the truth. EL Inca was an intelligent boxer-puncher but he often chose to brawl because he felt no danger from his oppositions.

He would have beat Pacman's ass and would have murdered the overrated Mythese.

ONly one who would have beat him is Marquez..

How would he have done in today's 140 division?

Shame he was so much of a wing nut and a wife killing, mother beating scumbag. I don’t agree with you that he was a boxer/puncher. He was a puncher and he was raw. His power kept working so he neglected the finer points although he was showing signs of real improvement in the Demarco fight.

He was never going to get the big venues stateside because of his early brain injury. The big venues in the States have perhaps the strongest rules on the planet regarding bleeding on the brain.

He had a real shot albeit slim when he joined Arum to get on the Manny/Cotto undercard to fight Soto and he blew it by getting a DUI in Texas which then cancelled his work visa. Being the idiot that he is, he blamed the political riff with Chavez.
He had another shot at real good exposure on a Latin Fury card that he backed out on at the last minute because he felt 6 figures was not enough.

Prior to offing himself he was again charged with a DUI while in camp for Lightweight Lightning.

No offense but I'm not sure how one reconciles with claiming Lucas is overrated while at the same time making the claims you did concerning Valero?

I think Valero was a bit overrated tbh. He fought no one.

Demarco was the best he fought and the 2 fights prior to that were against a 36 and a 40 year old, which is very old at light weight.

He had almost no noticeable defences.

His punch accuracy was disgusting.

He was dropped by Mosquera and appeared very hurt, but he did good to come through, but Mosquera was not a puncher, he had like 40% knockout ratio.

I hate Broner and I think he is overrated also but someone as accurate as him would knock the wild Valero out

To me, Valero's skills greatly eroded over the years after his accident and he became a wild slugger instead of the boxer/puncher he was supposed to be.

I loved Valero, a dynamite punching slugger is always a treat for boxing fans, but the fact is there were big flaws in his game and he was there to be hit. Besides a 40 year old Pitalua and Demarco, he had very few live opponents. Even Mosquera damaged him a lot in their fight.

To say he would whip a guy like Pacquiao... damn, I just don't see that. Valero will go down as another unfortunate "what if" story in boxing. He was on the verge of fighting champs and really proving himself, but then he went nuts.

And I don't really care about the "legendary stories" of his gym war exploits... who really cares. He never beat anyone.

Mosquera was a very good fighter. Valero went into his home town and took the title in front of a hostile crowd. It was a very impressive performance

Valero v Garcia, that would be a fun fight. Id say Matthysse, Pac, Alvarado, Allakverdiev, Bradly, Alexander, Floyd, Marquez all beat him tho

I have never had the privilege of seeing Valero fight, all I know was he was a brutal puncher, has a brain injury which stopped him fighting in big venues and he was a wife beating murderer who committed suicide.

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Alleged wife beater. No need to slander the mans name.

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Hence the word "mad" being associated with him. ;)

OH BY Far!!! Tha boy was a BEAST!!! He just could not handle his life OUTSIDE ThA Ring!!!

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Some of you guys have no right to knock on the man's character. Whatever he did outside the ring dont mean shit. Even if he did slap his broad around, we dont know the reason behind it. Maybe she was a cheating whore? perhaps she splurged all his money? There could be many reasons why he slapped her up. Some women ask for it.

I judge Valero based on what he did inside the ring and dude was a monster..

SOmebody said Alvarado and some uinknown russian Allediev or whatever would beat Valero? LMFAO

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He was a woman beating, murdering fuck who pussied out and committed suicide rather than face the consequences of his actions. He deserves to be looked at in a negative light.

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Some of you guys have no right to knock on the man's character. Whatever he did outside the ring dont mean shit. Even if he did slap his broad around, we dont know the reason behind it. Maybe she was a cheating whore? perhaps she splurged all his money? There could be many reasons why he slapped her up. Some women ask for it.

I judge Valero based on what he did inside the ring and dude was a monster..

SOmebody said Alvarado and some uinknown russian Allediev or whatever would beat Valero? LMFAO

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I love this. SO quick to be critical to active fighters yet completely blind to ex fighters faults. The fact is Valero was not that good and apart from being a really strong, tough bastard, really wasnt that skilled a boxer and got hit too easily. He also never fought at Light welterweight so power possbibly not there at the weight and would be a lot shorter then some of the guys at Light welter.

Alvarado is 3 inches taller and has a longer reach. He would beat Valero in a similar way to Rios. The russian I mentioned is a very very good boxer and I wreckon he could out box Valero.

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You judgmental muthafukkas make it seem like you were right there next to Valero when he supposedly beat his wife. You speak on allegations as if they were facts. In the process slandering the mans name. How the fuck do you sleep at night? Unless you're telling me you have first hand knowledge that Valero beat on his wife you should be ashame of yourself.

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You judgmental muthafukkas make it seem like you were right there next to Valero when he supposedly beat his wife. You speak on allegations as if they were facts. In the process slandering the mans name. How the fuck do you sleep at night? Unless you're telling me you have first hand knowledge that Valero beat on his wife you should be ashame of yourself.

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The poor woman had been to the hospital more than once before with serious injuries consistent with assault, and always covered for him. Do YOU have any actual reason, aside from being a misogynistic twat who would always advocate such a scenario, to believe that he didn't do it? Much less to believe he was murdered instead of offing himself as many slimeballs in that situation would do?

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You judgmental muthafukkas make it seem like you were right there next to Valero when he supposedly beat his wife. You speak on allegations as if they were facts. In the process slandering the mans name. How the fuck do you sleep at night? Unless you're telling me you have first hand knowledge that Valero beat on his wife you should be ashame of yourself.

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The poor woman had been to the hospital more than once before with serious injuries consistent with assault, and always covered for him. Do YOU have any actual reason, aside from being a misogynistic twat who would always advocate such a scenario, to believe that he didn't do it? Much less to believe he was murdered instead of offing himself as many slimeballs in that situation would do?

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The injuries were due to her falling down the stairs. But you don't believe that cuz being the judgmental muthafukka it's easier for you to just pass judgment. Now I ask you again were you present when Valero was supposedly beating his wife? It's a simple yes or no question.

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You judgmental muthafukkas make it seem like you were right there next to Valero when he supposedly beat his wife. You speak on allegations as if they were facts. In the process slandering the mans name. How the fuck do you sleep at night? Unless you're telling me you have first hand knowledge that Valero beat on his wife you should be ashame of yourself.

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The poor woman had been to the hospital more than once before with serious injuries consistent with assault, and always covered for him. Do YOU have any actual reason, aside from being a misogynistic twat who would always advocate such a scenario, to believe that he didn't do it? Much less to believe he was murdered instead of offing himself as many slimeballs in that situation would do?

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The injuries were due to her falling down the stairs. But you don't believe that cuz being the judgmental muthafukka it's easier for you to just pass judgment. Now I ask you again were you present when Valero was supposedly beating his wife? It's a simple yes or no question.

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Exactly, here's a sensible dude right here.. We are innocent until proven guility and none of you foos were there when shit happened.

Women nowadays are so scandelous lota these hoes make up stories to get men fucked up cuz they know the law is on their side..

Not a strange thing you queers sticking up for eachother. Take turns posting between sucking one another off. Clearly have a hard on for Valero hence defending him.

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Did you witness Valero supposedly beating his wife? No you did not. So shut the fuck up. You have no facts. Just a bunch of gossip. And you spread it just like a bitch would

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Did you witness Valero supposedly beating his wife? No you did not. So shut the fuck up. You have no facts. Just a bunch of gossip. And you spread it just like a bitch would

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And when El Finito takes your dick out of his mouth I'm sure ill get a similar reply from him. You funboys have no place on a boxing forum

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Did you witness Valero supposedly beating his wife? No you did not. So shut the fuck up. You have no facts. Just a bunch of gossip. And you spread it just like a bitch would

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Stop ducking the question bitch. Answer it. If not shut the fuck up

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Can you not cum when I'm talking bout it? That what's taking el Finito so long to reply?

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Can you not cum when I'm talking bout it? That what's taking el Finito so long to reply?

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That's your 3rd post in row where you talking about a guy sucking another guys dick with no boxing being mentioned. You use it the first time as a intended insult. Fine. Whatever. You use it the 2nd time without mentioning any boxing cuz it's something you obviously like talking about. Using it the 3rd time without mentioning any boxing shows it's something you are without a doubt into and most likely partaking in right now

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That's your 3rd post in row where you talking about a guy sucking another guys dick with no boxing being mentioned. You use it the first time as a intended insult. Fine. Whatever. You use it the 2nd time without mentioning any boxing cuz it's something you obviously like talking about. Using it the 3rd time without mentioning any boxing shows it's something you are without a doubt into and most likely partaking in right now

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No only into women mate. Sorry. El Finito not doing it for ya anymore. None of your posts have had anything to do with boxing. Now fuck off and go down on your fella like a good gay man should.

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Can you not cum when I'm talking bout it? That what's taking el Finito so long to reply?

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That's your 3rd post in row where you talking about a guy sucking another guys dick with no boxing being mentioned. You use it the first time as a intended insult. Fine. Whatever. You use it the 2nd time without mentioning any boxing cuz it's something you obviously like talking about. Using it the 3rd time without mentioning any boxing shows it's something you are without a doubt into and most likely partaking in right now

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No only into women mate. Sorry. El Finito not doing it for ya anymore. None of your posts have had anything to do with boxing. Now fuck off and go down on your fella like a good gay man should.

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I have no doubt you know what a good gay man is. Only a fag would put Silkey in front of there name

Some of you guys are straight up pussies. Act like men i just wanna tell ya.

Dont speak on a man if you never walked in his shoes lil pussies. Fags are fags period.

If any of you want superiority over me on a Boxing forum, u gotta prove that u are more knowledgable about this shit than i am.

Talkin about so and so lacks boxing knoweldge or whatever haha..

Ey it's simple. U want braggin right and wanna talk shit, u gotta show something. Very simple.

IN our first season of Saddo Boxing league, I finished as a top 10er and that's just the same wherever I go cuz I know my shit. Im a 1st place in one place and might be in the top 10 in another but im a pro whatever it is..

If u wanna talk shit, u gotta beat me in the saddoleague but if u aint got the knowledge to accomplish that then just STFU

Finito I will beat you this year, I am entering the competition this year. :)

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Some of you guys are straight up pussies. Act like men i just wanna tell ya.

Dont speak on a man if you never walked in his shoes lil pussies. Fags are fags period.

If any of you want superiority over me on a Boxing forum, u gotta prove that u are more knowledgable about this shit than i am.

Talkin about so and so lacks boxing knoweldge or whatever haha..

Ey it's simple. U want braggin right and wanna talk shit, u gotta show something. Very simple.

IN our first season of Saddo Boxing league, I finished as a top 10er and that's just the same wherever I go cuz I know my shit. Im a 1st place in one place and might be in the top 10 in another but im a pro whatever it is..

If u wanna talk shit, u gotta beat me in the saddoleague but if u aint got the knowledge to accomplish that then just STFU

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So I presume you've walked in a gay mans shoes since you're so quick to comment you closet fag.

Edwin Valero, the fighter we can never forgive. Or forget

They go to prison for rape, for assaulting their partners, for avoiding tax, they shoot people in cold blood, they support harsh regimes, they fail drug tests, they believe in religious extremes and still we find a way to forgive our boxing idols.

And then there is Edwin Valero, the fighter we can never forgive. Or forget. Valero was 28 when he died, he was unbeaten in 27 fights with 27 savage knockouts or stoppages and he was a world champion at lightweight. Valero's first 18 fights had finished in the first round, nobody had taken him more than ten rounds and in Venezuela he was an old-fashioned hero – the type of public hero who is given a chance again and again by the people.

In the ring he had won world titles at two weights, was ready to move up, move back down and do just about anything to get big fights. He had a promotional deal with Bob Arum, the world's most influential promoter. He was a fight or two away from being the sport's top attraction. But, he was a psychopath and this is his grim story.

In early 2010 Arum had the fights ready, Valero was going to cross over from phantom to star. Nobody really knows how good he could have been, nobody knows what boxing history he could have made and changed before the end. He could have fought Manny Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather, Vasyl Lomachenko, Terrence Crawford and retired in 2015 at just 33. Trust me, anything was possible in Valero's fighting life.

In Venezuela, Valero lived a dangerous life; he was given the National Hero award by his friend, President Hugo Chavez, he would drink until he was stupid and come out the other side with pounds of pure cocaine. He would drive drunk, carrying unlicensed firearms and he would treat people to everything they could drink, eat and stuff up their noses. He would then train, travel to Mexico, Japan or America and knock out out a man in a world title fight. And then repeat. He was on a run of eight consecutive world title fights in four years of losing his mind, four years stuck in a cloud of adoration that blurs every single line of decency. Not to mention humanity.

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The paranoia came with the cocaine. He feared a conspiracy to kill him, he knew men were watching him, he told his friend, Chavez, of his dreams of death.

He would race away from imaginary cars chasing him through the streets of Caracas. He had other hallucinations and medicated with five-day benders. The people he trusted turned away in his hours and days of real need – they knew he would be back in the gym when a fight was made.

I guess, that was all that mattered. “We all looked away,” admitted Jose Castillo, his manager. There is a book about his life, out now, called Berserk by Don Stradley. It's a diary of his descent.

In March of 2010, six weeks after his latest defence, it begins to go horribly and violently wrong. His wife, Jennifer, was admitted to hospital with two fractured ribs, a deep bite on her back, damage to her thorax and lung damage consistent with being hit. It was not the first time. On the way to the hospital, Valero stops the car and vanishes for five days. It was not the first time.

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Valero does finally appear at the hospital, causes a scene, is taken by the police and tested; he is over the alcohol limit and full of cocaine. He admits to crack, ecstasy and heroin. He is given a six-month sentence in rehab, but spends only three days and is released on 7 April. Meanwhile, Jennifer insists that she fell down stairs and had a fight with a woman, who was trying to rob her. They are soon reunited, arm-in-arm like two lovers.

After his release there is an immediate plan in government to get Valero to Cuba for treatment. Chavez pulls strings, it will happen, the national hero will be saved and clean. Valero has a tattoo of Chavez on his chest. The tale gets even wilder here; on the way to the airport to fly to Havana and salvation something goes wrong. Valero either overpowers the guards and flees or just escapes after a crash. He possibly simply bribed them. It makes no real difference, he is now on the run.

He somehow hires a car, stashes away a bundle of cash and a mad load of cocaine (50 grams) and goes to get Jennifer. He needs his partner to end the madness. He persuades her to go with him and she packs a case. It is 17 April.

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Late that night – it was 11:39pm to be precise – Edwin and Jennifer check in to the Hotel Intercontinental. First, Valero has to have the room searched for bugs and to look for the men chasing him. He actually looked under the bed.

At 5:30am the next day, Valero appears in the hotel lobby. One report says he is disorientated and shoeless, another has him in shoes and more composed. In both versions he utters the same words: “I killed her.”

The police arrive, go to the room and she is dead. He has cut her throat. He goes peacefully to the station, but claims the men following him had killed her. He is placed in a cell, placed on suicide watch. The other inmates scream for him to end it all. He did, he was found at 1:30am on the 19th.

Chavez blamed the media: “It was the vultures,” he said. Some blamed a bike crash in 2001 for his altered mind. There were very complex tales about drug debt. All very colourful, but it makes no difference, he was dead, she was dead and pictures of her very public execution were soon released.

In many ways it was a double public execution, but we try not to mourn him.

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A fine line boxing fans have to walk. Our sport isnt a game, its fighting. Our era we see many fighting for money/better life, yet one can question; what makes a normal person want to hit/get hit for a living.

I found myself not applauding each time I saw Jake Lamotta at the Boxing Hall of fame. He beat his wife. A lot. Yet his fans forgave him. Forgave Mike Tyson for beating his wife. Gerald McCellan beyond dog fighting was known to hit women he was involved with. I went out with a woman once who went to high school with Floyd Mayweather, she couldn't stand him for similar reasons and this is teenage years.

While none of these guys went as loco as this character, I can see how they might have-if they weren't born in America.

With that said, Valero was a train wreck waiting to happen, just a shame we never got to see him take on the top echelon before derailing.

Weird how a thread about a fighter turned killer turned pages of fellatio insults ;D:-X. I always found Valero a little overrated. Maybe just over pushed. Explosive no doubt but dude had 800 lb gorillas in his mental make up and wasn't that hard to miss. Hard to say how he'd fair at 140 around time of original post but can't see him swimming with many of the bigger names mentioned. DeMarco is pointed to as his top 1,2 win but looking back DeMarco was also early on himself. Broner was still light and on his way to waddling past 140 completely. I think Lucas would have been to sharp for him, Valero v Provo would have been rough stuff.

I saw a documentary on Valero, they interviewed Mikey Garcia, Garcia said Valero was the hardest puncher in sparring he had ever faced.
Remember Mikey had a very strong chin .