Shaolin monks...the tough ones.

Just wanted everyones thoughts on what the toughest human beings on earth are in regards to just being able to beat someones arse all over the place.

Shaolin monks..
Are these the toughest people on earth?
You always here the stories and watch the videos of how superhuman these guys are but they never compete in such events as in mma or anything as its not in their nature to participate in these type of events.

Is there any footage of any real life shaolin monks in competitive action or is there any chance that these monks could possibly be overated?!

I know we all have our favourite boxers and favourite mma fighters but in a real life pound for pound situation ignoring weight what type of contact professional is the ultimate warrior.

(The question is a bit immature, but just give me an idea on who you think is toughest type of human being on earth and why and perhaps some reasoning on the monks that bend metal with ease and take kicks to the groin etc)

Cheers.

Be good to see how one went, I think they are well above the average joe in fight abilities but I recon it ends there. Western take over of martial arts has left all traditional ones flat in the Octagon. But out of most arts you would think those boys would have the variable ground and bridging the gap from kick to grapple skills to build on better than some others.

Mike Tyson

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Originally Posted by Boxer4life

Mike Tyson

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Would mike take a shaolin monk at the same weight?

they seem to beat themselves a whole lot, the answer is obvious.


C.N

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

they seem to beat themselves a whole lot, the answer is obvious.


C.N

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:D Haha be great to see a match up between a monk and a self flagellating priest, separate rings, see who can beat themselves to death first.

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Originally Posted by Boxer4life

Mike Tyson

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Would mike take a shaolin monk at the same weight?

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In gloves with rules Mike all day long.

No rules no gloves would probably mean to the death. We all know who would have to have whos eyes out and toes or knees broken just to be able to survive a round, Id go with the monk because he'd realize the gravity of the situation fast and fingers outreach fists.

I don't think you can legitimately answer this one with a single name (because individual humans are very different and there are too many unpredictable variables.)

Taking the debate in a slightly different direction, I've been thinking about what 'type' of person was likely the biggest badass in history.

Throughout human history, only two 'types' of people have been purely and wholly dedicated to fighting and killing from birth. They did nothing else in their lives, thought of nothing else, and spent literally all their lives getting better at it. They were highly educated, trained harder and longer than anyone else in history, had the best weapons and technology available and believed that they were the best of the best. In fact, their social class existed only to make war.

Ladies and gents, I give you:

- the feudal Japanese Samurai, and
- the 12th Century Egyptian Mamluk slave soldiers

Look them up. Would be interested in people's views ........

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Originally Posted by imp

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Originally Posted by Boxer4life

Mike Tyson

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Would mike take a shaolin monk at the same weight?

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Honestly i think so, i think they lack the power to stop mike, while hes trying to kick him mikes punching, its very hard to hurt a guy like mike.

X's post is great, as far as the Shaolin Monks it still would highly depend on the individual as he said of course. I think it's likely that marial artists have declined on the whole since modern warfare, as they used to in fact be the most practical killing machines known to man in many cases.

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I don't think you can legitimately answer this one with a single name (because individual humans are very different and there are too many unpredictable variables.)

Taking the debate in a slightly different direction, I've been thinking about what 'type' of person was likely the biggest badass in history.

Throughout human history, only two 'types' of people have been purely and wholly dedicated to fighting and killing from birth. They did nothing else in their lives, thought of nothing else, and spent literally all their lives getting better at it. They were highly educated, trained harder and longer than anyone else in history, had the best weapons and technology available and believed that they were the best of the best. In fact, their social class existed only to make war.

Ladies and gents, I give you:

- the feudal Japanese Samurai, and
- the 12th Century Egyptian Mamluk slave soldiers

Look them up. Would be interested in people's views ........

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Interesting as that might be this does not involve weapons.

Lets just stick to hands and feet..no armour either!

Yeah, why are there no Shaolin Monks in the UFC?

http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n...inmonks003.jpg

Everybody knows that the Shaolin Monks are the undisputed Masters of Martial Arts of the Far East; not even the Muay Thailanders can f*<k with the Shaolin Monks and their dragon brands on their inner forearms, yet none are in the UFC ?!

Why not?!

the bradguy never seen a holy-man that didn't have some clandestine agenda involving money.

Do the Shaolin Monks think the UFC's not good enough for them, do the Monks think that they're better than other people, do the Monks think that their poop don't stink?!

http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n...inmonks010.jpg

Certainly the Monks are bad@$$, nobody disputes that...

but still...

Put-up or shut-up, in the cage, Shaolin Monks...if you've got the stones for it...

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/8564/wink01kh0.jpg
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Shaolin Monk is damn near super-human....
...or sub-human at least.

http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n...ngfuurn032.jpg

Can sleep outside in Winter at 40 below with only a bedsheet for warmth.
Can take full-power shots to the testicles with no apparent damage.
Can mentally adjust their own heartbeats and body-temperature.

Shaolin Monk possesses unbelievable resilience and endurance.
I can't see BJ Penn beating this kind of disciplined force of nature...
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/8564/wink01kh0.jpg
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Which leads us to why Kung fu hasnt a place in UFC. Because it cant compete with more modern blends of Mixed martial arts, neither can straight Karate or Takwondo or any other other strictly traditional "Arts". Bits from each of them could be used at times though.
Ego is what the main fight is all about in varying styles.
Real Monks shouldn't have one of those at all.

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Originally Posted by Andre

Which leads us to why Kung fu hasnt a place in UFC. Because it cant compete with more modern blends of Mixed martial arts, neither can straight Karate or Takwondo or any other other strictly traditional "Arts". Bits from each of them could be used at times though.
Ego is what the main fight is all about in varying styles.
Real Monks shouldn't have one of those at all.

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MMA began with multitudes of various, esoteric, traditional martial arts systems.

During the past 19 years under stringent battle-test conditions in the Octagon and in the MMA ring, most systems have been eliminated from MMA leaving 4 basic styles currently in MMA:
Muay Thai.
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
Boxing.
Wrestling.

However, Karate came back, baby, with Machida! And with St.Pierre too!

Why not Kung Fu?
Why can't Shaolin Kung Fu be successful in the Octagon?
It's about the fighter, not the style.
A gifted exponent can make lots of things work.


Cung Le is bad@$$ with the Sanshou.
Le has practiced other systems, but he's still primarily a Kung Fu guy, and his Kung Fu is very good.

http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n...gLeFrank02.jpg

I mean, Frank Shamrock sure got Kung Fu'ed by Cung Le.
Frank's arm bone was all jacked-up.

If Cung Le can have success in MMA with his Kung Fu, then why can't a Shaolin Monk who's got a lifelong dedication and discipline to it? And holy men LOVE money.

I'm not sure if a Shaolin Monk could be a Draw at the gate/UFC ppv sales though.
The financial bottom line is what matters most to the UFC which is why an unproven novice like Lesnar got the fast track to the main event: because he was already a proven, bankable ppv Draw in Pro-Wrestling.

The UFC did everything they could to prevent Machida with his Karate from getting a Title-shot because they knew he would probably win the Title, but he'd be bad business for the UFC as Lyoto's a non-draw...

Yeah you can go in there and wear your Gi of preference in respect of your original style but really you are going to be drawing on other styles to survive.

Be great to see a Shaolin style in there one day, they have a ground game and a grappling game as well as the rest so why not.

Hmmmmm, after a good night's sleep, I'm having second thoughts...

I'd lay a 100 to 1 that a Shaolin Monk would get UFC'd and UFC'd badly in about 30 seconds even against a Lightweight gatekeeper like Joe Daddy.

I'd hate to imagine what a bigger, much-nastier guy like Wanderlei The Axe Murderer Silva would do to a Shaolin Monk.
I think even Carano could kick their robed @$$e$.

Walkin' on rice paper without leaving a mark ain't gonna help their sacred @$$e$ in the cage.

I bet even Joe Calzaghe, without cross-training, could take any of them.

Then they could spend some serious time meditating on how come they got their @$$e$ handed to them so bad and so quickly by the MMA barbarians.



Sometime the truth hurts...

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Shaolin monks are completely devoted to their way of life, which is totally non violent. Regardless of whether they COULD transition to anything like MMA(and Andre makes good points as to the limitations) it would simply never happen. There is no why not, from their perspective. Stop being a troll bradlee.

They also dont eat meat which probably wouldnt help much when you think about training and aggression, they'd be very placid on their intake. Wonder if the ones who dedicate their whole life to that way live longer than the average in the same area?

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Hmmmmm, after a good night's sleep, I'm having second thoughts...

I'd lay a 100 to 1 that a Shaolin Monk would get UFC'd and UFC'd badly in about 30 seconds even against a Lightweight gatekeeper like Joe Daddy.

I'd hate to imagine what a bigger, much-nastier guy like Wanderlei The Axe Murderer Silva would do to a Shaolin Monk.
I think even Carano could kick their robed @$$e$.

Walkin' on rice paper without leaving a mark ain't gonna help their sacred @$$e$ in the cage.

I bet even Joe Calzaghe, without cross-training, could take any of them.

Then they could spend some serious time meditating on how come they got their @$$e$ handed to them so bad and so quickly by the MMA barbarians.



Sometime the truth hurts...

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Only to those who choose to care or take a side.

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Originally Posted by bradlee180

Hmmmmm, after a good night's sleep, I'm having second thoughts...

I'd lay a 100 to 1 that a Shaolin Monk would get UFC'd and UFC'd badly in about 30 seconds even against a Lightweight gatekeeper like Joe Daddy.

I'd hate to imagine what a bigger, much-nastier guy like Wanderlei The Axe Murderer Silva would do to a Shaolin Monk.
I think even Carano could kick their robed @$$e$.

Walkin' on rice paper without leaving a mark ain't gonna help their sacred @$$e$ in the cage.

I bet even Joe Calzaghe, without cross-training, could take any of them.

Then they could spend some serious time meditating on how come they got their @$$e$ handed to them so bad and so quickly by the MMA barbarians.



Sometime the truth hurts...

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I actually agree with some of your previous comments and i believe that a proper shaolin monk has to have the edge over anyone as there strikes are actually deadly and kill people.

It is strange though, how we think martial arts and think of bruce lee, jet li, jackie chan and other oriental or main movie martial artists but they are not a dominant force in mma (ufc).

Why is this?

You would think out of all the proper shaolin monks in the world one might go awol and just think "frigg it, ive had enough of this meditation yoga stuff let me go make some money in the ufc!"

Shaolin Monks are Buddhists.

This Buddhist Monk set himself on fire at a busy intersection in Saigon in 1963.

He burned to death without uttering a sound, without moving a muscle from his Lotus position.
It was a protest against the persecution of Buddhism by the South Vietnam administration.

http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n...ngfuurn051.jpg


Self-immolations are currently going on in Tibet too. 120 Tibetans have done the job since Feb 2009.
They want to be free of Chinese rule, and want their dalai lama to be allowed to return.
http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt...0dec9%20p2.jpg


These guys are not to be messed with.
They would not fear fighting a man in a cage under rules and regulations.


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Shaolin Monks are Buddhists.

This Buddhist Monk set himself on fire at a busy intersection in Saigon in 1963.

He burned to death without uttering a sound, without moving a muscle from his Lotus position.
It was a protest against the persecution of Buddhism by the South Vietnam administration.

http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n...ngfuurn051.jpg


Self-immolations are currently going on in Tibet too. 120 Tibetans have done the job since Feb 2009.
They want to be free of Chinese rule, and want their dalai lama to be allowed to return.
http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt...0dec9%20p2.jpg



These guys are not to be messed with.
They would not fear fighting a man in a cage under rules and regulations.


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I agree, how do u defeat an opponent who fears nothing

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Originally Posted by bradlee180

Shaolin Monks are Buddhists.

This Buddhist Monk set himself on fire at a busy intersection in Saigon in 1963.

He burned to death without uttering a sound, without moving a muscle from his Lotus position.
It was a protest against the persecution of Buddhism by the South Vietnam administration.

http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n...ngfuurn051.jpg


Self-immolations are currently going on in Tibet too. 120 Tibetans have done the job since Feb 2009.
They want to be free of Chinese rule, and want their dalai lama to be allowed to return.
http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt...0dec9%20p2.jpg



These guys are not to be messed with.
They would not fear fighting a man in a cage under rules and regulations.


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I agree, how do u defeat an opponent who fears nothing

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put them in a vacuum

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i believe that a proper shaolin monk has to have the edge over anyone as there strikes are actually deadly and kill people.

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This kung fu master had the ability to hurt people without even touching them and claimed to have never lost once in over 200 battles.

Check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tib2Urowsdc


Now watch how he did in a money match against someone he didn't know
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djUKqxGWj_Y

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by imp

i believe that a proper shaolin monk has to have the edge over anyone as there strikes are actually deadly and kill people.

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This kung fu master had the ability to hurt people without even touching them and claimed to have never lost once in over 200 battles.

Check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tib2Urowsdc


Now watch how he did in a money match against someone he didn't know
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djUKqxGWj_Y

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Now to think what a good boxer would do to both of those guys, although i think this guy was a fraud, and real shaolains actually have skill, like this guy, but i still say a good boxer f's him up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRSzBzgVEUA&feature=player_embedded

There is such thing as mass hypnotism maybe that bloke had his class under it. :-\ they sure believed it all into the physical.Unless they were all acting :-\ but cant see that somehow.
Cant think of how else so many people would be in on it.:confused:

Anyway that bloke wasnt havent any of it, just rightfully smacked him on down :cool:

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Originally Posted by bradlee180

Shaolin Monks are Buddhists.

This Buddhist Monk set himself on fire at a busy intersection in Saigon in 1963.

He burned to death without uttering a sound, without moving a muscle from his Lotus position.
It was a protest against the persecution of Buddhism by the South Vietnam administration.

http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n...ngfuurn051.jpg


Self-immolations are currently going on in Tibet too. 120 Tibetans have done the job since Feb 2009.
They want to be free of Chinese rule, and want their dalai lama to be allowed to return.
http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt...0dec9%20p2.jpg


These guys are not to be messed with.
They would not fear fighting a man in a cage under rules and regulations.


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Thats crazy.
Monk is just sitting there while he burns to death.
Thats the maximum meditation ever.
Any footage!!??

Just saw that on youtube.
If a man is capable of withstanding the most horrendous pain on earth then I think we have the toughest human beings on earth and that is this type of monk.

No one can beat that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r21ghFogYxA

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There is such thing as mass hypnotism maybe that bloke had his class under it. :-\ they sure believed it all into the physical.Unless they were all acting :-\ but cant see that somehow.
Cant think of how else so many people would be in on it.:confused:

Anyway that bloke wasnt havent any of it, just rightfully smacked him on down :cool:

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I saw it as mass hysteria, they had been conditioned to hold a deeo belief that he could hit them with no contact and they reacted accordingly, like an extreme version of 'you flinch, you lose'

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They also dont eat meat which probably wouldnt help much when you think about training and aggression, they'd be very placid on their intake. Wonder if the ones who dedicate their whole life to that way live longer than the average in the same area?

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Yeah... Hopkins is a vegan and he seems really docile... :p

:-\ Good on him, he shows control i bet theres no alcohol for him either. Nice dna for him to start out with too,the dudes a machine. There is always exceptions, generally though vegetarians are a placid bunch, although another exception; theres been a serial killer who was veg.

Thinking on intake; most of the Chinese were a small race for many years but now days there offspring are getting up to western sizes more often. Wonder if thats to do with less rice and more meat and stuff or maybe growth hormones in chickens or something?

I'm not sure how long Hopkins has been off meat for, maybe you need a while to get it out of your system and forget the taste.
I know I'd be pissed all the time if I became a herbivore!

Pissed means drunk here too, probably covers both eh.:)

I agree with Adam about the silly fake Kung Fu shit. At first I thought they was all in on it, however, it's more a case of that cult shit where people believe they've found a new messiah, so even though they know they're faking, they still want it to be true.