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Carl Froch to fight George Groves on November 23 | The Sun |Sport|Boxing
Groves vs Froch deadline has passed, and it's all been signed for November 23rd, we are awaiting an announcement soon, once the location has been picked.
Manchester arena seems to be in the lead for hosting the fight.
i think froch is too tough for groves
it should be a top fight tho :)
There is pros and cons in both fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Froch is tougher
He's more experienced
He's fought harder opposition
He has a solid chin
Groves is naturally faster
I'd say a bit more power, Froch has been powerful recently, he swarms and finishes, Groves has that 1 shot power.
Groves is younger
My heart says Groves by spectacular knockout.
My boxing knowledge says Froch walks through him inside 3.
Thats an interesting choice, Groves by KO. I think we are more likely to see the extreme safety first style that Booth teaches when opposed any type of threat ala Valuev, Wlad, De Gale etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosThere is pros and cons in both fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Froch is tougher
He's more experienced
He's fought harder opposition
He has a solid chin
Groves is naturally faster
I'd say a bit more power, Froch has been powerful recently, he swarms and finishes, Groves has that 1 shot power.
Groves is younger
My heart says Groves by spectacular knockout.
My boxing knowledge says Froch walks through him inside 3.
He wont take Froch on points doing that and there is no way hes as strong as Kessler to stand and trade the whole fight.
Booth to me isnt a great trainer. When you look at Haye and Groves, neither has particularly good head movement or defence. Its all based on moving away with their feet. When both tire they are even more hittable.
To much to soon for groves, and I never pick froch, I think froch swarms and walks thru him and gets him out in 5 or 6
Finally you speak some sense. I agree groves is hittable but Haye doesn't get hit much.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossThats an interesting choice, Groves by KO. I think we are more likely to see the extreme safety first style that Booth teaches when opposed any type of threat ala Valuev, Wlad, De Gale etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosThere is pros and cons in both fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Froch is tougher
He's more experienced
He's fought harder opposition
He has a solid chin
Groves is naturally faster
I'd say a bit more power, Froch has been powerful recently, he swarms and finishes, Groves has that 1 shot power.
Groves is younger
My heart says Groves by spectacular knockout.
My boxing knowledge says Froch walks through him inside 3.
He wont take Froch on points doing that and there is no way hes as strong as Kessler to stand and trade the whole fight.
Booth to me isnt a great trainer. When you look at Haye and Groves, neither has particularly good head movement or defence. Its all based on moving away with their feet. When both tire they are even more hittable.
I don't think for a second that Groves will KO him, but I would love it.
Froch between 3-6.
Haye got hit plenty in his last fight. Theres a reason hes been put in with plodders like Barrett, Ruiz, Harrison and Valuev. He struggles with pace and combination punching (more than one punch at a time). Hes fine getting out of the way of the odd jab or right hand but add any other punches and hes run out of ring to skirt around.
If you watch the De Gale fight, the last few roumds and Groves is struggling with the pace and thats against De Gale who has looked shit in a couple of recent fights over the distance.
I see a late stoppage for Froch and im very surprised that Booth is pushing for this fight. Id have thought hed want to steer Groves towards Stieglitz if anything. Personally id have got him another fight for experience against Periban.
Groves can afford the loss, that's why. A defeat to Froch is no disgrace, it's the kinda fight that no one would ever consider a loss that bad at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Haye didn't get hit a great deal by Chisora, I watched it midday Saturday and he got caught maybe once a round that was notable.
His 5 punch stoppage looked fine, combination wise.
You need to remember that Booth's job is "train to win", and he does that job spectacularly, his success makes him the money for his family. As long as his fighters win he is sorted, and almost 100% of the time, they do win.
Against certain opponents.
Im not the only person that sees the whole Booth set up as a charlatan. He is another one of those cheerleaders, he gets in to the fighters head feeding them shit basically. He was a personal fitness instructor but now hes some sort of boxing Svengali?
Im seeing more of these pop up. People who can motivate with bullshit pushing naive wannabe boxers in to the ring as white follar foghters when all they can do is motivate and make people feel good aboit themselves and hold the pads. Their "fighters" foot work is attrocious, no defence etc.
If you watch the latest video I posted of the ringside programme where Booth is sat next to Fury. He has really got a sulk on. Not enjoying sitting next to Fury and any other trainer really wouldnt be like that. He is sat there in the role as manager but he didnt like it and mainly because I think he knew full well Fury was going to bring up Thompson and Wlad and both losses can be attributed to Booth even if it was just down to poor conditioning, or letting your fighter compete with an injury.
Froch doesnt mind getting hit to get to the target.
Froch is too experienced and tough to loose.
Froch in 7.
ross, have you ever seen Booth in an interview before? He was exactly the same with Fury as he is every other time a camera is on him - smug, arrogant and giving the interviewer a hardtime (it's a role he clearly plays up).
As for Froch-Groves... Booth better practice throwing the towel.
This wasnt his usual pixie nose up in the air, arms crossed look. he couldn't even face Fury and looked nervous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Anothe Froch fight in November!! This is excellent news. I know where I'M going for my birthday!! ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
I think Groves could frustrate Froch because he is so fresh, sharp - has good head-movement IMO and is also a very focus fighter
However Carl is a very rangy fighter with that engine and so ultimately this fight should be a combination of Nino Benvenuti v Monzon 1 & 2
OK, so the co-promoter, the man that made the fight, was scared to sit with Fury, who the more shit he talks the more Booth profits, because Thompson or Wlad might me mentioned thus apparently causing Booth great embarrassment?Quote:
Originally Posted by rossThis wasnt his usual pixie nose up in the air, arms crossed look. he couldn't even face Fury and looked nervous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Fury is earning Booth a shitload of dough. Neither Booth or Peter Fury, Tyson's trainer, or Mick Hennessy, said a bad word about either fighter.
You read way too much into 60 seconds of body language. They're all in the same boat trying to sell as much tickets and PPV as possible
This a good fight. I have to agree with @armin. Too much, too soon for Groves. On the same note, credit to him for stepping up to the plate when he has the chance. Every boxer who goes against Froch has a chance at outboxing him, but it's hard to pick against him considering the wave he's been riding recently. Froch by dominating KO.
I like Froch but if he found losing to Kessler and then Ward, both while on his feet at the end of 12 rounds, difficult to cope with, I can't imagine what being sparked out half way by a young pretender is going to do to him.
Your living in a dream world!Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
Couldn't agree more Froch getting stopped by groves? Froch has been down once in his career to Taylor, that's it.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossYour living in a dream world!Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
This has been announced today. November 23rd, looking like Manchester but that hasn't been nailed down yet.
Froch: "He's got his trainer Adam Booth, who's a master tactician, as he calls himself"
"Him and his trainer, too smooth Booth, will have a plan and I'm sure he'll be running..." ;D
Groves: "There's no blueprint"
I've got Froch in 4 or 5 a la Bute.
Honestly I think there is a real chance Groves win this. He is technically more gifted, but he'll have to keep Froch at arms length as if he trades with Froch he'll end up on the floor.
It isn't beyond the realms of possibility though is it? Groves hits hard and Froch isn't getting any younger. Froch has also been in plenty of wars which will catch up with him the longer he fights on. It is a bold prediction, and I agree it is unlikely, but it isn't impossible by any means.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonCouldn't agree more Froch getting stopped by groves? Froch has been down once in his career to Taylor, that's it.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossYour living in a dream world!Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
I'll be supporting Groves in this one too - underdog, younger and Froch's head tripled in size since the Kessler win. For someone that was already boring as fuck (to listen to) he is now unbearable.
Groves can out move him and has the firepower to stop Froch taking liberties... however, I still see Froch bashing the fuck out of him.
Froch let slip it's PPV. Guess they were happy with the 200,000 for Kessler. And that'll be three PPV's in 6 months.
Thank fuck for streams.
Really fancy Groves in this.
He doesn't hit harder than Kessler though and Kessler was soundly beaten.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnIt isn't beyond the realms of possibility though is it? Groves hits hard and Froch isn't getting any younger. Froch has also been in plenty of wars which will catch up with him the longer he fights on. It is a bold prediction, and I agree it is unlikely, but it isn't impossible by any means.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonCouldn't agree more Froch getting stopped by groves? Froch has been down once in his career to Taylor, that's it.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossYour living in a dream world!Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
I'd bet Kessler hits harder than Taylor and Dirrell but one decked Froch and the other done his legs.
If you're a heavy puncher you're a heavy puncher. It's fair to assume, on the evidence we've seen so far, that Groves is a hard puncher. Doesn't mean he'll dent Froch but it wouldn't be a surprise if he did.
I think Froch wins this on points. Too strong for Groves and I don't think Groves will do much damage when he does land. Groves will realise he isn't going to win fairly early and will just concentrate on getting to the final bell.
Carl didnt do himself any favours by asking George multiple times to stand and fight and dont run. Groves quickly picked up on it cuz Degale asked aswel.
Im still picking Froch but Groves went away from that interview knowing Carl will struggle with his movement
Decent fight,but Froch has way to much for Groves,8 round TKO. Groves has not been
anywhere near Frochs class.
The fight has been announced, Groves will run and fight defensive but it will be a beating. Man v Boy.
Bet Groves stays right in the punching zone.;D
Can't wait for Froch to ko groves
I'll be bold on this one. @Tam Seddon, as the biggest Froch fan on this forum I'll put it to you. Sig bet for the whole of December, because I'm picking Groves. You Fancy it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
No doubt whatsoever , I love safe bets ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnI'll be bold on this one. @Tam Seddon, as the biggest Froch fan on this forum I'll put it to you. Sig bet for the whole of December, because I'm picking Groves. You Fancy it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Just about everything suggests that Froch will be too much for Groves but I just have a niggling doubt that says Froch is going to come a cropper against someone he 'should' beat. Not sure how Groves pulls this off mind. He'll be faster than Froch and definitely more ginger but thats about it.
I'd be interested to hear something from Kessler about this fight with him sparring Froch. Also would like to hear what Kessler is going to do with his career, I haven't heard anything since the loss to Froch.
I think Froch wins by early stoppage. But I'm tempted to back Groves on points at 9/1. I think I Groves can avoid getting tagged cold he can do very well in this fight.
Froch is basically begging for Groves not to box him.
Yes seems desperate because he hates runners. Groves will fight on his back foot as he did with De Gale but he still gets stopped.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita