Should be a good fight, both guys looked in shape and Cotto seemed more upbeat than usual, pics coming soon
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Should be a good fight, both guys looked in shape and Cotto seemed more upbeat than usual, pics coming soon
Cotto should feel upbeat he should have a win on his record from his back to back defeats.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
He is no Tito but he still represents the Island
Cotto does not need to be Tito because he's done carved out his own legacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry Rice
He is actually the better boxer who has fought the tougher competition throughout his career.
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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaCotto does not need to be Tito because he's done carved out his own legacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry Rice
He is actually the better boxer who has fought the tougher competition throughout his career.
You must be joking ???
Don't agree but I don't view it as an insane statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaCotto does not need to be Tito because he's done carved out his own legacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry Rice
He is actually the better boxer who has fought the tougher competition throughout his career.
You must be joking ???
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Originally Posted by OnetimeDon't agree but I don't view it as an insane statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaCotto does not need to be Tito because he's done carved out his own legacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry Rice
He is actually the better boxer who has fought the tougher competition throughout his career.
You must be joking ???
Am I in the twilight zone ???? Are we talking about the same Tito Trinidad ??? The same tito who set a WW record for title defenses, the same Tito who fought six strait champions and knocked out 4 of them ?????? Where am I ???
Tito is better but I do view Cotto as greater than most, I throw huge asterisks on the Manny and Margarito loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeDon't agree but I don't view it as an insane statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaCotto does not need to be Tito because he's done carved out his own legacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry Rice
He is actually the better boxer who has fought the tougher competition throughout his career.
You must be joking ???
Am I in the twilight zone ???? Are we talking about the same Tito Trinidad ??? The same tito who set a WW record for title defenses, the same Tito who fought six strait champions and knocked out 4 of them ?????? Where am I ???
cotto got far closer to beating floyd (draw on my card by 115-113 to floyd according to many) than tito would ever have done
few of the pics
No asterisk needed. He just got his ass kicked. It's that simpleQuote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeTito is better but I do view Cotto as greater than most, I throw huge asterisks on the Manny and Margarito loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeDon't agree but I don't view it as an insane statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaCotto does not need to be Tito because he's done carved out his own legacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry Rice
He is actually the better boxer who has fought the tougher competition throughout his career.
You must be joking ???
Am I in the twilight zone ???? Are we talking about the same Tito Trinidad ??? The same tito who set a WW record for title defenses, the same Tito who fought six strait champions and knocked out 4 of them ?????? Where am I ???
As for this fight? It's a meaningless one. All Rodriguez does is lose when he steps up. I see no point in fighting him
Manny should have fought him at a real weight and I truly believe Manny was a juicer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseNo asterisk needed. He just got his ass kicked. It's that simpleQuote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeTito is better but I do view Cotto as greater than most, I throw huge asterisks on the Manny and Margarito loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by OnetimeDon't agree but I don't view it as an insane statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaCotto does not need to be Tito because he's done carved out his own legacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry Rice
He is actually the better boxer who has fought the tougher competition throughout his career.
You must be joking ???
Am I in the twilight zone ???? Are we talking about the same Tito Trinidad ??? The same tito who set a WW record for title defenses, the same Tito who fought six strait champions and knocked out 4 of them ?????? Where am I ???
As for this fight? It's a meaningless one. All Rodriguez does is lose when he steps up. I see no point in fighting him
I wanted Margarito to win but I'm convinced he cheated, we've been over the evidence and the confession.
Theoretical, has nothing to do with the comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by oakleyno1
For just a split second I went to jail and posted bail just gawking at the gal at right. Just a sec ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by toe2toe
This isn't a gimme for anyone I don't think, should turn into a shootout before its over. Cotto should revert and straight jump an early slow strolling Rodriquez. Not let him find range underneath as Cotto is prone to take. Safe bet to say at least...both cut.
Absolutely true. Tito was an entertaining power puncher but any time he stepped up against a legit boxer he got his ass handed to him. Cotto could adapt to styles and he hasn't ducked anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaCotto does not need to be Tito because he's done carved out his own legacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry Rice
He is actually the better boxer who has fought the tougher competition throughout his career.
Tito was a better welterweight and light middle, he would have destroyed Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnAbsolutely true. Tito was an entertaining power puncher but any time he stepped up against a legit boxer he got his ass handed to him. Cotto could adapt to styles and he hasn't ducked anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaCotto does not need to be Tito because he's done carved out his own legacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry Rice
He is actually the better boxer who has fought the tougher competition throughout his career.
I disagree that Cotto dominates Rodriguez. What has Cotto done at junior middleweight? Rodriguez performed as well as Cotto against Trout. Has Trout predicted a winner in the fight?
How was the presser by the way? Fun. Fight is in Florida, right?
Legit boxers? Come on, Tito lost to 3 great fighters, 2 of whom were well bigger than him and all better than anyone Cotto ever beat needless to say. A prime De La Hoya would've messed Cotto up at welterweight, I don't even get how anyone can think differently. I would agree that Cotto is the more rounded fighter but he was not better and certainly not greater than Tito, this is nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnAbsolutely true. Tito was an entertaining power puncher but any time he stepped up against a legit boxer he got his ass handed to him. Cotto could adapt to styles and he hasn't ducked anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaCotto does not need to be Tito because he's done carved out his own legacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry Rice
He is actually the better boxer who has fought the tougher competition throughout his career.
it was fun, short but fun, both guys respectful and classy, tickets are pretty cheap and go on sale next week so I'll be going for sure, IMO Cotto should be the favorite no doubt but should be a good fight can't wait to hear the undercardQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
He did not. Rodriguez barely went through the motions against Trout.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
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Originally Posted by p4pkingLegit boxers? Come on, Tito lost to 3 great fighters, 2 of whom were well bigger than him and all better than anyone Cotto ever beat needless to say. A prime De La Hoya would've messed Cotto up at welterweight, I don't even get how anyone can think differently. I would agree that Cotto is the more rounded fighter but he was not better and certainly not greater than Tito, this is nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnAbsolutely true. Tito was an entertaining power puncher but any time he stepped up against a legit boxer he got his ass handed to him. Cotto could adapt to styles and he hasn't ducked anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaCotto does not need to be Tito because he's done carved out his own legacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry Rice
He is actually the better boxer who has fought the tougher competition throughout his career.
I think you nailed it, but then again... I'm biased. ;D
Still, I have a lot of respect for Cotto. His adaptability to different styles... his willingness to fight ANYONE and EVERYONE they put in front of him... hell... even the way he taught himself English and went from not being able to say two words, to holding his own in an interview. All these things make me proud to say that Cotto is from my little island and represents it well.
unbeaten Puerto Rican prospect Felix Verdejo is confirmed on the undercard as is Terence Crawford
Let's see if he stays one. Cuz them Puerto Rican prospects have been dropping like flies.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Great post.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingLegit boxers? Come on, Tito lost to 3 great fighters, 2 of whom were well bigger than him and all better than anyone Cotto ever beat needless to say. A prime De La Hoya would've messed Cotto up at welterweight, I don't even get how anyone can think differently. I would agree that Cotto is the more rounded fighter but he was not better and certainly not greater than Tito, this is nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnAbsolutely true. Tito was an entertaining power puncher but any time he stepped up against a legit boxer he got his ass handed to him. Cotto could adapt to styles and he hasn't ducked anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaCotto does not need to be Tito because he's done carved out his own legacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry Rice
He is actually the better boxer who has fought the tougher competition throughout his career.
cause they haven't been coddled well past the 40 fight mark and have actually stepped up in competition ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseLet's see if he stays one. Cuz them Puerto Rican prospects have been dropping like flies.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Can't be coddled to 40-0 if the bums you're trying to pad your record against are beating youQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralescause they haven't been coddled well past the 40 fight mark and have actually stepped up in competition ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseLet's see if he stays one. Cuz them Puerto Rican prospects have been dropping like flies.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
that only happens if your name is Chavez and you're not a Jr. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseCan't be coddled to 40-0 if the bums you're trying to pad your record against are beating youQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralescause they haven't been coddled well past the 40 fight mark and have actually stepped up in competition ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseLet's see if he stays one. Cuz them Puerto Rican prospects have been dropping like flies.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Chavez had no problem beating bums. Apparently a lot of these Puerto Rican prospects doQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesthat only happens if your name is Chavez and you're not a Jr. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseCan't be coddled to 40-0 if the bums you're trying to pad your record against are beating youQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralescause they haven't been coddled well past the 40 fight mark and have actually stepped up in competition ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseLet's see if he stays one. Cuz them Puerto Rican prospects have been dropping like flies.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Omar Chavez couldn't even get past the joke that is Paez Jr :-X, and Jr had plenty of gifts along the way including fights against Molina and Vanda, and although Molina is a good fighter, Vanda is just a loser from The Contender, but yea dunno what PR prospects you're even referring about, seeing how the current ones have either won world titles or are as of right now still contenders, we don't hash out any Panchito Bojado's sorryQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseChavez had no problem beating bums. Apparently a lot of these Puerto Rican prospects doQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesthat only happens if your name is Chavez and you're not a Jr. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseCan't be coddled to 40-0 if the bums you're trying to pad your record against are beating youQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralescause they haven't been coddled well past the 40 fight mark and have actually stepped up in competition ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseLet's see if he stays one. Cuz them Puerto Rican prospects have been dropping like flies.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Paez Jr. has a had a better career than Hector Camacho jr. He's never embarrassed himself or country by showing up fat, fighting 4 weight classes above his best, only to get stopped in 1. But Camacho Jr ain't alone in being a failure. It wasn't that long ago I was hearing Braulio Santos, Luis Orlando Del Valle, Jayson Velez, Cesar Seda, Miguel Soto, Jose A Gonzalez and Luis Cruz where fighters to watch. I watch them alright. Watch them lose. In Gonzalez case I saw him just quit. Than you have Abner Cotto, Gabriel Bracero, Jorge Maysonet Jr, Thomas Dulorme, Giovany Rodriguez, Carlos Velasquez, Kenny Galarza, Carlos Negron, damn I can keep going and going. None of them did shit. Roman Martinez is pretty much Puerto Rico's best current fighter. The same Roman Martinez who won his title by gift. And successfully defended it twice with gifts. Puerto Rico current boxing state is in the dumps. It's no good. The days of past glory are just that. Days in the past. It's not opinion. It's fact. You just need to accept itQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesOmar Chavez couldn't even get past the joke that is Paez Jr :-X, and Jr had plenty of gifts along the way including fights against Molina and Vanda, and although Molina is a good fighter, Vanda is just a loser from The Contender, but yea dunno what PR prospects you're even referring about, seeing how the current ones have either won world titles or are as of right now still contenders, we don't hash out any Panchito Bojado's sorryQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseChavez had no problem beating bums. Apparently a lot of these Puerto Rican prospects doQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesthat only happens if your name is Chavez and you're not a Jr. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseCan't be coddled to 40-0 if the bums you're trying to pad your record against are beating youQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralescause they haven't been coddled well past the 40 fight mark and have actually stepped up in competition ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseLet's see if he stays one. Cuz them Puerto Rican prospects have been dropping like flies.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by Violent DemisePaez Jr. has a had a better career than Hector Camacho jr. He's never embarrassed himself or country by showing up fat, fighting 4 weight classes above his best, only to get stopped in 1. But Camacho Jr ain't alone in being a failure. It wasn't that long ago I was hearing Braulio Santos, Luis Orlando Del Valle, Jayson Velez, Cesar Seda, Miguel Soto, Jose A Gonzalez and Luis Cruz where fighters to watch. I watch them alright. Watch them lose. In Gonzalez case I saw him just quit. Than you have Abner Cotto, Gabriel Bracero, Jorge Maysonet Jr, Thomas Dulorme, Giovany Rodriguez, Carlos Velasquez, Kenny Galarza, Carlos Negron, damn I can keep going and going. None of them did shit. Roman Martinez is pretty much Puerto Rico's best current fighter. The same Roman Martinez who won his title by gift. And successfully defended it twice with gifts. Puerto Rico current boxing state is in the dumps. It's no good. The days of past glory are just that. Days in the past. It's not opinion. It's fact. You just need to accept itQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesOmar Chavez couldn't even get past the joke that is Paez Jr :-X, and Jr had plenty of gifts along the way including fights against Molina and Vanda, and although Molina is a good fighter, Vanda is just a loser from The Contender, but yea dunno what PR prospects you're even referring about, seeing how the current ones have either won world titles or are as of right now still contenders, we don't hash out any Panchito Bojado's sorryQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseChavez had no problem beating bums. Apparently a lot of these Puerto Rican prospects doQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesthat only happens if your name is Chavez and you're not a Jr. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseCan't be coddled to 40-0 if the bums you're trying to pad your record against are beating youQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralescause they haven't been coddled well past the 40 fight mark and have actually stepped up in competition ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseLet's see if he stays one. Cuz them Puerto Rican prospects have been dropping like flies.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
VD hates the island, LOL, where's the love.
None of them are worthy of any. Can't fake and pretend there good just cuz of where there from. It don't work that way. It's not my fault they've all crashed and burn when they stepped up. I'll be lying if I said I didn't like the flyweight Jonathan Gonzalez. Cuz I do. But he's got a fight coming up in which I think he's in way over his head. Segura I think is gonna smoke him. And I don't see much in Pedraza, Fontanez or Verdejo. The one to watch I think is Jose Lopez. Wonder Boy. I like what is I see in him so far. He's only 19. Lets see how he turns outQuote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemisePaez Jr. has a had a better career than Hector Camacho jr. He's never embarrassed himself or country by showing up fat, fighting 4 weight classes above his best, only to get stopped in 1. But Camacho Jr ain't alone in being a failure. It wasn't that long ago I was hearing Braulio Santos, Luis Orlando Del Valle, Jayson Velez, Cesar Seda, Miguel Soto, Jose A Gonzalez and Luis Cruz where fighters to watch. I watch them alright. Watch them lose. In Gonzalez case I saw him just quit. Than you have Abner Cotto, Gabriel Bracero, Jorge Maysonet Jr, Thomas Dulorme, Giovany Rodriguez, Carlos Velasquez, Kenny Galarza, Carlos Negron, damn I can keep going and going. None of them did shit. Roman Martinez is pretty much Puerto Rico's best current fighter. The same Roman Martinez who won his title by gift. And successfully defended it twice with gifts. Puerto Rico current boxing state is in the dumps. It's no good. The days of past glory are just that. Days in the past. It's not opinion. It's fact. You just need to accept itQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesOmar Chavez couldn't even get past the joke that is Paez Jr :-X, and Jr had plenty of gifts along the way including fights against Molina and Vanda, and although Molina is a good fighter, Vanda is just a loser from The Contender, but yea dunno what PR prospects you're even referring about, seeing how the current ones have either won world titles or are as of right now still contenders, we don't hash out any Panchito Bojado's sorryQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseChavez had no problem beating bums. Apparently a lot of these Puerto Rican prospects doQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesthat only happens if your name is Chavez and you're not a Jr. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseCan't be coddled to 40-0 if the bums you're trying to pad your record against are beating youQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralescause they haven't been coddled well past the 40 fight mark and have actually stepped up in competition ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseLet's see if he stays one. Cuz them Puerto Rican prospects have been dropping like flies.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
VD hates the island, LOL, where's the love.
disregarding VD's usual anti-PR rant, rumors are buzzing that it might be Crawford vs. Gamboa on the undercard, should be an interesting fight
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Way better fight than the main event, would be a treat if that's true. Crawford is very skilled and tricky, just not sure he can win a shootout with Gamboa assuming the latter guy doesn't lay an egg. This is the first chance to do something Gamboa will have had in several years, he needs to be up for this.
in terms of significance, yes this is a more meaningful fight, but IMO the main event should be fun to watch, I'm just glad that I'm gonna be watching it live and in person :)Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Way better fight than the main event, would be a treat if that's true. Crawford is very skilled and tricky, just not sure he can win a shootout with Gamboa assuming the latter guy doesn't lay an egg. This is the first chance to do something Gamboa will have had in several years, he needs to be up for this.