Will Andre Berto stop getting headlines now? Most overrated boxer in this time?
I don't get it. I always thought this guy was a bum. In all his career he has only fought two undefeated fighters which were 4-0 and 7-0-1 very early in his career. He won the highly regarded WBC belt as vacant against Miguel Rodrigues 29-2.
People like to talk shit about fighters like Canelo but yet I never remember Berto getting that much shit for that. People kept talking about how impressed they were with him.
He then defended the belt against Steve Forbes -_-. He then stepped it up a bit and fought Luis Collazo 29-3 and he won a very controversial fight which many people including myself felt he lost and Collazo got robbed. I think it was like 113-114 but still a fight I thought he clearly lost.
He went on to beat urango and quintana good wins but not elite fighters that a WBC champion should be defending his belt against.
He finally got exposed by non other than Victor Ortiz who always finds a way to lose a fight he can win lol. Here it was regarded that the winner might get a chance at Floyd Mayweather. If I recall Floyd attended the fight I'm sure he expected to face Berto.
After the lost to Ortiz he got an immediate title belt IBF and headline.. seriously after a fucking lost? If chavez got this, this threads would be storming in here mad.
After that he once again got a big fight against Robert Guerrero on HBO headlining i believe. This fight once again lead to a Mayweather fight for the winner. As we know Berto got battered by the smaller guy he should of beat.
And now once again fight on headlines in Show time he got exposed by none other than Karras... Same guy that lost to Alfonso Gomez lol.
Like seriously how can he keep getting fights? and keep headlining? When are people gonna wake up to this bum?
He should earn his way back up to the headlines like other fighters. Send his ass to boxeo azteca or maybe FNF on espn. I'm just saying.. What do u guys think?
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Berto has physical tools. I mean, if you saw how fast his punches were, you understand what people want from him.
Problem is, the dude doesn't move his head like he should, he pulls straight back (which allowed those straight rights to land), his foot movement is minimal, and he just plain can't win when he is in there with a guy who knows how to fight at the top level. He can overwhelm lesser opponents and get away with what he does wrong, but he can't do that when he is in with a real guy.
Virgil did an outstanding job in the corner last night... I can't say that I have been able to hear a trainer where I thought that the advice given was more relevant than I heard in that fight. Virgil was spot on with his instructions, and Berto did well when he followed instructions. Question is, is he capable of following instructions and breaking all of his bad habits? Probably not...
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I have enjoyed watching him in the past. I think after last night he might be at the end unless Showtime finds a way to market him..
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If you always thought he was a bum, you're nuts.
People flock to guys like Berto because they have the physical tools to be truly great. There have been THOUSANDS of guys who have had tremendous boxing skill/knowledge, but they didn't have the physical tools (whether that was athleticism, the ability to take a punch, ect).
So when you see a guy like Andre with the kind of speed and power to do great things, you can't blame people for being optomistic about him.
Obviously he's turned into quite a flop.
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I have enjoyed watching him in the past. I think after last night he might be at the end unless Showtime finds a way to market him..
Yea... Berto is pretty much done for. I had high expectations for him. Thought he was robbed vs. Ortiz. But that's another story... he clearly ran out of gas and was stopped.
He is the new Zab Judah, but probably won't get as many chances as Zab got after Zab got beaten continuously!
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I don't get it. I always thought this guy was a bum. In all his career he has only fought two undefeated fighters which were 4-0 and 7-0-1 very early in his career. He won the highly regarded WBC belt as vacant against Miguel Rodrigues 29-2.
People like to talk shit about fighters like Canelo but yet I never remember Berto getting that much shit for that. People kept talking about how impressed they were with him.
He then defended the belt against Steve Forbes -_-. He then stepped it up a bit and fought Luis Collazo 29-3 and he won a very controversial fight which many people including myself felt he lost and Collazo got robbed. I think it was like 113-114 but still a fight I thought he clearly lost.
He went on to beat urango and quintana good wins but not elite fighters that a WBC champion should be defending his belt against.
He finally got exposed by non other than Victor Ortiz who always finds a way to lose a fight he can win lol. Here it was regarded that the winner might get a chance at Floyd Mayweather. If I recall Floyd attended the fight I'm sure he expected to face Berto.
After the lost to Ortiz he got an immediate title belt IBF and headline.. seriously after a fucking lost? If chavez got this, this threads would be storming in here mad.
After that he once again got a big fight against Robert Guerrero on HBO headlining i believe. This fight once again lead to a Mayweather fight for the winner. As we know Berto got battered by the smaller guy he should of beat.
And now once again fight on headlines in Show time he got exposed by none other than Karras... Same guy that lost to Alfonso Gomez lol.
Like seriously how can he keep getting fights? and keep headlining? When are people gonna wake up to this bum?
He should earn his way back up to the headlines like other fighters. Send his ass to boxeo azteca or maybe FNF on espn. I'm just saying.. What do u guys think?
Berto is a good fighter not a great fighter that many people thought he would be.But he deserves more credit than being called a bum my friend.
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The problem is that people are now stuck in extremes with one or the other. You can box on a backfoot and not be dull..there is as much satisfaction snapping a guy around off sharp counters and busting him up as there is there is one bricking a guy and leaving him in a heap. Its ideal when we get it all in one. Berto is entertaining because he never refined physical gifts and basic foundation and when he finally got to the 'top' with guys who won't just fall over or play the foil he has no choice but to wear his heart on his sleeve, power up and get ground down. You can't learn backwards and from early on I thought he would get stuck trying to do so. Kid has balls, but all that talk lastnight about redefining himself, changing his skill and mentality..they can forget all that! The time for that was when he was walking in hunched over, squared up shooting 1-2's off flat wide feet and falling into clinches to be dropped by Cosme Rivera etc. His flaws were glaring, he was never well rounded enough to be 'great' and honestly the kind of 'entertaining' he is now is a euphemism for talking alot of damage and being future punchy.
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Berto is smart enough to have surrounded himself with the right people who has guided him thus far so as long he takes a different approach and works on his craft, there's no reason why he couldnt build himself back up on the undercards.. He doesn't need to be a headliner.
Every young fighter gets overrated when they are scoring knockouts and Berto is no different.
He really needs to change his ways though because natural talent isn't going to cut it at the high level.
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Berto is a good fighter. Just no more than that though. It's crazy he was getting paid $1MM to fight on HBO, but Showtime just paid 32-year old Paulie Malignaggi $1.3MM to fight Broner. It's always a bit eye opening when you think of it that way. [What's worse?] The bottom line is that people like knockouts. There's always going to be more hype on a guy that gets knockouts. A few years ago, Berto was causing thrilling knockouts, albeit against unheralded fighters for the most part.
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What the fuck is your problem? Are Berto fights not entertaining. Ortiz and Guerrero were fights of the year candidates and fight last night was good too. Should entertaining fighters not be shown more on tv then dull fighters?
Listen here you fucking waste of sperm fuck nugget. Next time take little time out of your pathetic existence to read the fucking thread before you reply like the headless piece of residue you are.
I don't care if you are the most entertaining fighter in the fucking world IF every time you step up and fight in a big fight you lose! Then I don't want to see you fighting for immediate BELTS and headlining.
I'm not saying he should retire I know some of the fights were very close and what not, my problem is with him getting a shot at the IBF right after he lost his WBC.
You act like just because he is entertaining he should stay headlining because hes fun to watch. STFU this is not the UFC mother fucker this is the sweet science. We have legit ranks. Gatti was very entertaining but we all knew he did not belong in there with Mayweather nor De la hoya.
But then again some of you guys don't know shit about boxing.
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What the fuck is your problem? Are Berto fights not entertaining. Ortiz and Guerrero were fights of the year candidates and fight last night was good too. Should entertaining fighters not be shown more on tv then dull fighters?
Listen here you fucking waste of sperm fuck nugget. Next time take little time out of your pathetic existence to read the fucking thread before you reply like the headless piece of residue you are.
I don't care if you are the most entertaining fighter in the fucking world IF every time you step up and fight in a big fight you lose! Then I don't want to see you fighting for immediate BELTS and headlining.
I'm not saying he should retire I know some of the fights were very close and what not, my problem is with him getting a shot at the IBF right after he lost his WBC.
You act like just because he is entertaining he should stay headlining because hes fun to watch. STFU this is not the UFC mother fucker this is the sweet science. We have legit ranks. Gatti was very entertaining but we all knew he did not belong in there with Mayweather nor De la hoya.
But then again some of you guys don't know shit about boxing.
You got clowned you didn't watch the fights get over it, Ortiz was an absolute beast when he beat Berto in one of the most enjoyable matches you'll see. Guerrero hadn't lost in 7 years and had never lost with his dad when he mugged Berto. Devon,Rigo, Lara, Vazquez, Abril and Ward are among my favorite fighters but you are a fool if you think Berto is an embarrassment you are just parroting something you heard Bob Arum say about Berto, Zou Shimming in 6 rounders is our problem not Berto.
I got clowned by who? I been saying Berto was over hyped for years buddy. I could give two flying fucks what Arum has to say. You can shape it up to be whatever the fuck you want to but Guerrero was 1 fight removed from fighting at lightweight. This was a guy Berto was suppose to destroy and he got battered by the smaller fighter. Face all fucked up from a lil lightweight.
You clearly are not listening at all. My beef with Berto is that he keeps getting title shots and keeps headlining despite 1-3 in his last 4 fights.
I don't care that Ortiz was a "beast" he still lost to him. And he got a chance against Guerrero that was fine with me but after that performance... That's when I had it with him being on the top of the fight card.
All i keep hearing is he is entertaining and the fights were close.. he still got stopped by a journey man in his last fight.
Maybe if you get his cock out your mouth you would see what I am seeing.
I rather see fresh faces new up and comers in the programs that I pay for to watch boxing. Fuck you if you have a problem with that.
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What the fuck is your problem? Are Berto fights not entertaining. Ortiz and Guerrero were fights of the year candidates and fight last night was good too. Should entertaining fighters not be shown more on tv then dull fighters?
Listen here you fucking waste of sperm fuck nugget. Next time take little time out of your pathetic existence to read the fucking thread before you reply like the headless piece of residue you are.
I don't care if you are the most entertaining fighter in the fucking world IF every time you step up and fight in a big fight you lose! Then I don't want to see you fighting for immediate BELTS and headlining.
I'm not saying he should retire I know some of the fights were very close and what not, my problem is with him getting a shot at the IBF right after he lost his WBC.
You act like just because he is entertaining he should stay headlining because hes fun to watch. STFU this is not the UFC mother fucker this is the sweet science. We have legit ranks. Gatti was very entertaining but we all knew he did not belong in there with Mayweather nor De la hoya.
But then again some of you guys don't know shit about boxing.
You got clowned you didn't watch the fights get over it, Ortiz was an absolute beast when he beat Berto in one of the most enjoyable matches you'll see. Guerrero hadn't lost in 7 years and had never lost with his dad when he mugged Berto. Devon,Rigo, Lara, Vazquez, Abril and Ward are among my favorite fighters but you are a fool if you think Berto is an embarrassment you are just parroting something you heard Bob Arum say about Berto, Zou Shimming in 6 rounders is our problem not Berto.
I got clowned by who? I been saying Berto was over hyped for years buddy. I could give two flying fucks what Arum has to say. You can shape it up to be whatever the fuck you want to but Guerrero was 1 fight removed from fighting at lightweight. This was a guy Berto was suppose to destroy and he got battered by the smaller fighter. Face all fucked up from a lil lightweight.
You clearly are not listening at all. My beef with Berto is that he keeps getting title shots and keeps headlining despite 1-3 in his last 4 fights.
I don't care that Ortiz was a "beast" he still lost to him. And he got a chance against Guerrero that was fine with me but after that performance... That's when I had it with him being on the top of the fight card.
All i keep hearing is he is entertaining and the fights were close.. he still got stopped by a journey man in his last fight.
Maybe if you get his cock out your mouth you would see what I am seeing.
I rather see fresh faces new up and comers in the programs that I pay for to watch boxing. Fuck you if you have a problem with that.
Why not make this thread about Zou? I think someone has Arum's dick in their ass. Pretty much anyone who isn't a dumb fuck preferred the Berto card to the Zou card you are just a Top Rank bitch.
LOL that's right you fucking idiot. You completely changed the subject cause your dumbass doesn't know shit about boxing. Get Bertos dick out of your ass and maybe you can see that the idiot is a bum.
I could give a shit about top rank at that if anything I'm more of a golden boy type of guy. Goes to show how much of an idiot you are. Run along now and pretend like you know boxing. You are just another media sheep that listens to what they tell you and Berto is a great fighter who got knocked out by a 30 year old with 8 losses and is now 1-3 in his last four fights. Oh but they were great fights right? Never mind he lost 3 out of 4.
Do me us all a favor and go fuck yourself.
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I don't think he was over rated, he finally started fighting the very best and can't hang with them. Berto is still a very good fighter and compared to a lot of guys still has a career ahead of him. His confidence is shot right now so he needs to get a couple of easier opponents--confidence builders--under his belt.
He really needs to get his shoulder fixed too. I'm hoping the shoulder injury isn't some lame ass excuse for losing. I think he'll be around for awhile if he can get his head on straight.
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I honestly don't get it how people can say he was not overrated. I'm thinking most of you guys did not follow boxing from 2003-2006. Maybe some of you guys are new to boxing or have been following it for a few years only.
Not a bad thing but to say he was not overrated is another. The man literally beat out elite fighters in Andre Ward, Timothy Bradley and legit fighters in Abner Mares, Brandon Rios, Vanes Martirosyan and Mike Alvarado for top boxing prospect in 2006.
Now if you think Berto is a better fighter because he is more exciting than Ward or Bradley then you are really missing out on the sweet science of the sport. Styles is what makes boxing and everyone has a different one.
We are talking about the caliber of a fighter and the results of the competition he faces. Not if A fighter can lose to B fighter but make it a good fight.
Mares is very fun to watch and he can actually win in exciting fights. There has got to be at least one person here that knows what I'm talking about.
