If stevens manages to land his money shot on GGG, don't even bother counting.
Ggg is far from a defensive wizard so hell definitely have to eat some shots.
Who do u think would land first?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a_uzu-qtdfc
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If stevens manages to land his money shot on GGG, don't even bother counting.
Ggg is far from a defensive wizard so hell definitely have to eat some shots.
Who do u think would land first?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a_uzu-qtdfc
Well, my first post may as well be on Golovkin.
GGG might not be a defensive wizard but he's not a face-first brawler either. I think he's levels above this guy and would time the right-hand before Stevens can land anything of consequence.
I don't see this fight being a war - I think Golovkin picks him apart and scores a mid-round stoppage without taking much damage.
You need two fighters of a similar standard to produce a war, which I don't think we have here.
Bradley and Prov are about two notches apart but look what happened. Regardless of levels, anything can happen when two men step inside the ring.
I get what you are saying though. Welcome to Saddo
Good post, but somehow I don't think a welcome is necessary;)Quote:
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True. I guess it depends on how inclined Golovkin is to fight fire with fire. My guess would be that he'd be respectful of Stevens' power and would try to pick him apart with power-punches rather than go toe-to-toe.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
I wouldn't mind seeing this fight though, especially if GGG also fights someone like Murray before the year's out. He could really build some more momentum.
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Oh ok. Glad you made the jump. You should find this place a lot more hospitable. Lots of good guys here. My friend Miles is not here right now - taking a needed break - but you will like him a lot. He is widely accepted as the greatest ever contributor to these boards. I think it's unanimous in fact.Quote:
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Murray would be a better test for GGG than Stevens cuz he is durable. Stevens got blown away by a journeyman, outboxed by Dirrell and lost to tv reality contender failure Jesse Brinkley. He isnt going to go from that kind of form to giving Golovkin a decent fight
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Golovkins jab is coming along nicely. Its the kind of short power jab that leaves a guy stuck to it and in range. I think he'd do a number on Stevens but it would be a interesting fight.
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Let's talk about the elephant in the room Stevens does not have a great resume how ever this was a guy who fought giants however bummy they may have been. Losing to that Dirrell at 168 isn't embarassing, Dirrell was 7 inches taller than Stevens and he still ran, bringing up that fight is like thinking Abril-Rios means Rios has no shot Manny isn't running and neither is Golovkin. So i don't hold that against him. He was 21 when he lost to Primera and he avenged it it is what it is. Brinkley is the most embarrassing lost he wasnt a kid and his opponent didn't run.
So if you think Stevens has no shot I get it. But you need a couple things to beat GGG who is a very good fighter, you can't be scared of GGG, stevens doesn't fear Golovkin, you need power and Stevens clearly has that, you need defense which Stevens doesn't have, Stevens also had timing and speed that will keep GGG honest.
To me if Golovkin takes this fight it's gutsy and it'll be his second best win to me.
To me he could very well beat Quillin or Golovkin.
Bunch of dumb muthafukkas Stevens and his camp are.
Boxing News | Stevens camp rejects Golovkin offer
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Hilarious eh. What a dumb tool. That is almost as much as GGG made in his last fight and the same as Macklin got.
I was shocked he was even offered that much.Quote:
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Hilarious eh. What a dumb tool. That is almost as much as GGG made in his last fight and the same as Macklin got.
People always talk about fighters getting robbed and not getting paid. Perfect example that some times the person to blame for a fighter not getting paid is the fucking fighter himself
Well who knows whether he actually stands to get paid more or not, can't blame him if this is just part of negotiating. Strikes me there is no reason he should make any more than Macklin did, he isn't a draw and was lucky to get that fight on NBC after doing nothing in recent years. Golovkin in turn isn't exactly riding a high profile just yet, if Stevens really wants the fight he shouldn't expect anything more and just be grateful for the exposure.
Clearly this is all down to racism and lack of American pride though, just to save Onetime the trouble of enlightening us.
I'm guessing Stevens is refusing to fight for them "slave" wagesQuote:
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI was shocked he was even offered that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Hilarious eh. What a dumb tool. That is almost as much as GGG made in his last fight and the same as Macklin got.
People always talk about fighters getting robbed and not getting paid. Perfect example that some times the person to blame for a fighter not getting paid is the fucking fighter himself
Same and agreed 100%. What does "risk and reward" even mean anymore? Even if he gets blasted out it wont effect his already stagnant career at all.
I think his real intentions were more along these linesQuote:
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Hilarious eh. What a dumb tool. That is almost as much as GGG made in his last fight and the same as Macklin got.
People always talk about fighters getting robbed and not getting paid. Perfect example that some times the person to blame for a fighter not getting paid is the fucking fighter himself
Same and agreed 100%. What does "risk and reward" even mean anymore? Even if he gets blasted out it wont effect his already stagnant career at all.
Curtis Stevens: I want Gennady Golovkin.
Main Events: Really?
CS: Hell yeah. Everybody scared of him. But I ain't everybody. I ain't scared of him. He scared of me. He needs to fight Showtime. So Showtime can take his belt. But he won't. He saw what I just did to Saul Roman. Destroyed him in 1. The same Saul Roman who beat Yory Boy Campas. Yeah It was Campas 105 career fight. But he was still good. Either way I want Golovkin
(weeks later)
ME: Guess what Curtis? Golovkin said he'll fight you
CS: Nah man. Don't tell me that....I mean I'm sure he do wanna fight me. For some bullshit money. Nah, bro. Ain't happening. They wanna fight, they better come correct. Fuck a career high 50 g'z. I want 6 figures homie. You tell them fools if they wanna fight Showtime they better come with 100 g'z. Not a dollar less.
ME: Alright than. It's on baby. They offering $300,000.
CS: Are you fucking kidding me? Come on man. Tell me you are. This ain't funny. You better be lying. Cuz I don't know what to do
ME: What you mean you don't know? Take the fight. It's what you wanted ain't it?
CS: Hell no it ain't what I want. Have you seen him fight? That fool a monster. I ain't lying. I literally see that fool in my nightmares. Freddy Kruger type shit. I hate going to sleep. I'm scared to death of him.
ME: Than what the fuck is up with all that I want triple G talk?
CS: I was just trying to get some free press. Get my name out there. Hopefully it'll lead to a rematch with Saul Roman or something. I never thought he'll call my bluff. Why he do that? There's no point in fighting me. I never beat nobody. I ain't no draw. My own momma don't even come to my fights. No reason to fight me. I never did anything to me. It ain't right. Does he know I lost to Jesse Brinkley? If not tell him. Tell him it wasn't even close. Brinkley beat my ass. Convince him he should be fighting Brinkley. Not me.
@Violent Demise funniest shit I read in a while. Seriously tho 300k take that shit, lopez took like 250 to fight canelo, but yeah stevens wanted the free press I guess.
The only thing that makes me doubt calling out Golovkin was a publicity stunt, is the fact that Stevens was just more or less showcased on a prime TV slot and network out of the blue. This must have been something in the works for a while, if Stevens himself doesn't accept the fight due to money I can't imagine why main events would give a damn about him again.
You don't get many second or third chances and Stevenson doesn't leave much to the imagaination as far as style and threat..he can be beat. Some guys now get that big push or high profile win and think they are instant scratch off winners for a lifetime guarantee. Lose sight od the big picture. His people should have signed that contract the day the ink dried and focus more on how not to get ktfo and win.
He may have hired Marquez's old crew prior to the John fight for guidance. The guy was embarrassed and out boxed by Jessie @#$% Brinkley, fought a 6 rounder against a no hoper and another against a tier 2 opponent followed by a tough 8 rounder against a clubber prior to Roman. He then gets a 300 thousand dollar offer for a title shot and refuses???? He should be thanking GGG with a blow job and going out and buying a lottery ticket.Quote:
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Hopefully its just a ploy or negotiation front, but frankly if I was Golovkin I'd be fingers up after Stevenson popped off like he did and called him out-ish. Shut up and fight. Rosado, Stevenson and the like lose perspective...know your rolls and win the big one before you bark. Think they're haggling over Mayweather-Manny money when all that'll happen is that they will be passed by and next month they can catch a cab over to the Espn main event to begin all over, and they forget those two ego driven divas blew the oppurtunity between them too!Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitHe may have hired Marquez's old crew prior to the John fight for guidance. The guy was embarrassed and out boxed by Jessie @#$% Brinkley, fought a 6 rounder against a no hoper and another against a tier 2 opponent followed by a tough 8 rounder against a clubber prior to Roman. He then gets a 300 thousand dollar offer for a title shot and refuses???? He should be thanking GGG with a blow job and going out and buying a lottery ticket.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Martinez is hurt
Murray can't get a visa
Quillin is Golden boy
Vera-Chavez eliminates both
Geale-Barker fighting
Sturm is waiting to fight the Geale-Barker winner
So who do you got Stevens and Mora, Stevens will look like a genius if they come back with more, who cares if people think he's scared this is the same crowd that said Danny-Lucas wouldn't happen.
Marco Antonio Rubio is the WBC mandatory. But he said he would take the fight with Golovkin if offered. He's more deserving than Stevens. Hassan N'Jikam and Andy Lee ain't doing shit at the moment. N'Jikam holds a win over Giovanni Lorenzo. Lee has one over Craig McEwan. Not exactly great wins but both still trump Stevens best win. Which is Elvin AyalaQuote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
Out of the people you mention, @Violent Demise, Rubio is the best option. After Rubio though, Stevens is the best option given the availability of the other challengers. N'Jikam ducked GGG a few times already. If his chin is is weakness, a GGG fight doesn't make sense for him. Same with Lee. Rubio is a tough son of a gun, even if limited. The only other fighters worth mentioning as a challenger is Sergio Mora.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseMarco Antonio Rubio is the WBC mandatory. But he said he would take the fight with Golovkin if offered. He's more deserving than Stevens. Hassan N'Jikam and Andy Lee ain't doing shit at the moment. N'Jikam holds a win over Giovanni Lorenzo. Lee has one over Craig McEwan. Not exactly great wins but both still trump Stevens best win. Which is Elvin AyalaQuote:
Originally Posted by Onetime
Frankly, Rubio or Stevens are good challengers. Stevens is the only one to call GGG out. If he called GGG out, however, and then decided he only wanted to fight him for a large amount of coin, he's a charlatan and shouldn't be taken seriously. Basically, in this circumstance, that's a bonafide duck.
Wondering if Rubio v Chavez rematch will happen. Wasn't he protesting Chavez not being middleweight and such?! Didn't think of him and Golovkin, that would be a more than solid and all and all surpasses last three if ya ask me.
The fact that Stevens, despite all his talk, won't fight GGG for a career-high payday, shows how difficult it is for him to get fighters to step into the ring with him.
Here's hoping Murray's visa issues get sorted out.
Right. I'm pretty sure HBO rejected the idea of the fight being in the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chomsky Acolyte
I have to think that HBO is airing Geale-Barker to line up a fight for GGG. It wouldn't really make sense otherwise, although I understand that Sturm is the mandatory. The winner of Geale/Barker is the best possible option.
Sturm v Golovkin winner fights Barker. Sorry winner fights Geale/ Barker winner. :-)
If Barker beats Geale you wont see him against Golovkin. Barker is basically at the end of his career and that "world" title will allow him to have a couple of home defenses for the same money he'll get for GGG ironing him :)
Good he deserves it.
I dont see Barker beating Geale. Its such a shame that in this period where Britain and Ireland have had the best middleweights they have produced in such a long time that they mighnt get a world title out of it. Shame the Murray-Martinez/Sturm fights werent in England or a neutral venue.
I think Murray should fight Macklin in the UK or Ireland if he can't get a visa to fight Golovkin. Then Barker against the winner or Andy Lee and then the winner ;D, they are all big domestic fights that will make money and be entertaining.
What difference does the venue make? Unless it's to give him a win he doesn't really deserve I don't see how a different venue changes anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
If Barker beats Geale you'll be seeing him against Macklin in the UK.