A funny story about a bully gangster rapper named 40 Glocc from the streets of LA

I dont know if you guys are familiar with 40 Glocc but he claims to be from the Crip set and has been terrorizing other rappers for years now. Most notable story is when he ambushed Lil Wayne when he came to LA and dude goes around to the music video sets to starts trouble with other rapper like Plies for being fake..

This is him ambushing Lil Wayne

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odHVlBKuaAA

Him confronting Plies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec1umo-ZsKw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFv-WuYHKwM

Even robbing other rapper's chains and holding ransom

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7N1ZBq62vc

After years of pulling stunts like this, he ran into the wrong rapper named THE GAME and got a dose of his own medine. lol After getting a dose of his own medicine, he's decided to sue the GAME for millions of dollars..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1iMwn-TLOM

Is it acceptable for somebody who claims to be a gangster to sue somebody?

You're in the zone today.

I have no idea who these people are (apart from Jamie Fox). I think what was happening is, popular rappers were getting shown to be fake by this real guy from the street. However, in the end the real street guy got some fame, moved to a rich area, and then another even tougher rapper duffed him up.

If they are now rich then suing is probably the gangster thing to do.

It was quite interesting.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I have no idea who these people are (apart from Jamie Fox). I think what was happening is, popular rappers were getting shown to be fake by this real guy from the street. However, in the end the real street guy got some fame, moved to a rich area, and then another even tougher rapper duffed him up.

If they are now rich then suing is probably the gangster thing to do.

It was quite interesting.

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They are all punks to be honest.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I have no idea who these people are (apart from Jamie Fox). I think what was happening is, popular rappers were getting shown to be fake by this real guy from the street. However, in the end the real street guy got some fame, moved to a rich area, and then another even tougher rapper duffed him up.

If they are now rich then suing is probably the gangster thing to do.

It was quite interesting.

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They are all punks to be honest.

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40Glocc explains why he had to sue 50

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oprCrehhuzs

And Rosmoe700 claims he knocked out THE GAME at the mall

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcqeeRATyww

It's just for comedic relief

I've had several young Soldiers that were "gangsters" before joining the Army. They always seemed so surprised when their bravado didn't impress their fellow Soldiers. I will never forget the young man from inner city Chicago that wasn't going to follow orders from some dumb honkey. Strangely enough after slipping in the shower and then later falling down a flight of stairs he became a stellar performer. Those damn Privates are so clumsy sometimes.

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I've had several young Soldiers that were "gangsters" before joining the Army. They always seemed so surprised when their bravado didn't impress their fellow Soldiers. I will never forget the young man from inner city Chicago that wasn't going to follow orders from some dumb honkey. Strangely enough after slipping in the shower and then later falling down a flight of stairs he became a stellar performer. Those damn Privates are so clumsy sometimes.

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Please post a video of Cannibus, I can't because I am on my cell phone.

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Originally Posted by VictorCharlie

I've had several young Soldiers that were "gangsters" before joining the Army. They always seemed so surprised when their bravado didn't impress their fellow Soldiers. I will never forget the young man from inner city Chicago that wasn't going to follow orders from some dumb honkey. Strangely enough after slipping in the shower and then later falling down a flight of stairs he became a stellar performer. Those damn Privates are so clumsy sometimes.

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You are talking about his privates when he slipped in the shower yeah?

The thing about Wayne, Plies and Tyga they had zero street credibility but claimed to be killers, Bushes from Plies may be the fakest song of all time. The Game had most of his family killed or in prison and he's 6'4 so yeah 40 got exposed as not as real.

Wow that last video with Game beating that dude up (I know Game but Ive never heard of this 40 glock guy) had me laughing my ass off.

hard to take a guy seriously when he's running like that. The Game really made an ass out of him. I guess he's only tough when he's with his gang of 30 guys.

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The thing about Wayne, Plies and Tyga they had zero street credibility but claimed to be killers, Bushes from Plies may be the fakest song of all time. The Game had most of his family killed or in prison and he's 6'4 so yeah 40 got exposed as not as real.

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The majority of them over the years had zero street credibility, Ja Rule was the worse.

Lil Boosie and Gucci Mane have done some shit. They got some cred.

Shyne is the realest of them all though. This dude kept his mouth shut and did his time when most other guys would have said anything to save their own ass.

I have alot of respect for Shyne

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Originally Posted by VictorCharlie

I've had several young Soldiers that were "gangsters" before joining the Army. They always seemed so surprised when their bravado didn't impress their fellow Soldiers. I will never forget the young man from inner city Chicago that wasn't going to follow orders from some dumb honkey. Strangely enough after slipping in the shower and then later falling down a flight of stairs he became a stellar performer. Those damn Privates are so clumsy sometimes.

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Not much difference in mentality then, to say the least. Positions of force always cater to people of low morality.

Not the same mentality at all. One is selfish and disallusioned and one is based on being part of a team, sacrifice, respect and discipline. The military is not just a job but rather a lifestyle and some people have a harder time than others letting go of their civilian lifestyle and embracing the military's. Good order and discipline are the foundation of any military. A "gangster" has to learn that their street credentials mean nothing and that they willfully joined a conformist organization. You start this with setting the right example and having their peers apply some pressure then you can graduate to taking their pay and time if they aren't getting it but with some of them simply showing them that the people they now work with are tougher and meaner than any street punk is the quickest and surest method. I train young men to go into harms way and hunt armed men. I don't have time to caudle some kid that thinks b/c he grew up in the projects he doesn't have to respect the authority my rank holds. You could ask just about any of my Soldiers that decdided they could whip my ass and they will tell you that the time they slipped in the shower was intregal in changing their attitude so that they could be successful in uniform. Are you saying I'm a person of low morality?

I don't know you personally, you may well be an exception to the rule. That last sentence is an Einstein quote which holds very true in my opinion. There are numerous studies which indicate the psych profile of criminals and law enforcement or military types are virtually identical. In fact if you just swapped all the uses of gangster and military in your post, it would hold just as true. A gang is generally a conformist organization just like the military, and a lot of the same rules apply. Respect for "authority" is just a prevalent and important in a gang, and carries similar consequences. I see nothing you wrote which refutes this whatsoever. I do know that there are enough people who aren't attracted to the idea of holding rank over others or resorting to violence in the first place, although it's unlikely anyone does inherently:)

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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

Lil Boosie and Gucci Mane have done some shit. They got some cred.

Shyne is the realest of them all though. This dude kept his mouth shut and did his time when most other guys would have said anything to save their own ass.

I have alot of respect for Shyne

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Shyne WAS a good rapper but there is no way im doing ten years for anyone.

I will snitch on anyone if it keeps me out of the shower hall in belmarsh.

This unwritten code is never meant to be broken on the streets or in the world of crime but in my world my family are first and associates second.

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I don't know you personally, you may well be an exception to the rule. That last sentence is an Einstein quote which holds very true in my opinion. There are numerous studies which indicate the psych profile of criminals and law enforcement or military types are virtually identical. In fact if you just swapped all the uses of gangster and military in your post, it would hold just as true. A gang is generally a conformist organization just like the military, and a lot of the same rules apply. Respect for "authority" is just a prevalent and important in a gang, and carries similar consequences. I see nothing you wrote which refutes this whatsoever. I do know that there are enough people who aren't attracted to the idea of holding rank over others or resorting to violence in the first place, although it's unlikely anyone does inherently:)

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Well according to your quote anyone who has ambition to be in a position of leadership is of low morality. I guess every world and business leader are just really bad people. Sounds pretty silly. I'm not an exception to any rule. I can't say I've ever personally had a leader in or out of uniform that I would classify as of low morality. If you don't see how different an organization a criminal gang and a military unit are then I don' think you are being objective about the issue. Clearly you don't understand the "rules" in the military or you would see that they are not the same and don't apply equally to both military and gangs. This isn't about me needing to assert my authority it is about what a breakdown in discipline does to a unit, particularly in combat.

Uh, no. A position of FORCE, means you physically intimidate somebody and are in a position to inflict bodily harm as part of the job description. Being powerful and having control over people by other means is different, for one thing it requires a brain. I do believe that many businessmen and politicians are utter sociopaths of a different type and no more admirable mind you.

For many kids growing up in a certain environment, joining a gang is no different than slightly more privileged kids joining the military. They do so for exactly the same reasons, and hope for the same things out of it more or less, that was my point. Obviously neither of us are objective about it though:)

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Uh, no. A position of FORCE, means you physically intimidate somebody and are in a position to inflict bodily harm as part of the job description. Being powerful and having control over people by other means is different, for one thing it requires a brain. I do believe that many businessmen and politicians are utter sociopaths of a different type and no more admirable mind you.

For many kids growing up in a certain environment, joining a gang is no different than slightly more privileged kids joining the military. They do so for exactly the same reasons, and hope for the same things out of it more or less, that was my point. Obviously neither of us are objective about it though:)

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It's time for life lessons with p4pking

Don't go moving the goal posts now. Any position of authority is backed by some level of force whether it be political, financial, physical etc.

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position of FORCE, means you physically intimidate somebody and are in a
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The only job description that sounds like is a professional fighter. It damn sure doesn't describe the role of a officer or noncommissioned officer in the US Army.

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Being powerful and having control over people by other means is different,
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So you don't think people that are law enforcement or in the military (your examples) attained their positions through hard work, intellect and ability or as you put it, have a brain?

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Why do you think privileged kids join the military? Couldn't really be farther from the truth. Most Soldiers come from lower to middle class families. Most join the military to get money for school and/or job training. Some do it simply to get out of small town USA. I don't think that is a big part of the Bloods and Crips recruitment pitch. You make a lot of sweeping generalizations about people and things you don't seem to know much about.

Why do you think privileged kids join the military? Couldn't really be farther from the truth. Most Soldiers come from lower to middle class families. Most join the military to get money for school and/or job training. Some do it simply to get out of small town USA. I don't think that is a big part of the Bloods and Crips recruitment pitch. You make a lot of sweeping generalizations about people and things you don't seem to know much about.[/QUOTE]


He seems to be the type that doesn't know much about anything.

Yes thanks for your insight here, Jerry Rice.

VC, A soldier or police officer is a position of force. A lawyer or CEO is not, although they hold much more legitimate influence and control over others. It's not moving the goal posts, I meant force in a physical sense and you're taking it to mean any kind of authority. I'm not going Chomsky or anything here.

When I said SLIGHTLY MORE PRIVILEGED, I meant as opposed to kids who grow up in ghettos without families etc and are far more likely to join gangs. I'm well aware that it's still lower class people who join the military.

I don't believe most soldiers or police officers have obtained their position through intellect, no. If you want to take having a brain as literally as my other points go ahead, they have the kinetic intelligence to salute and fire a weapon.:rolleyes:

P4P, you clearly don't understand the military if you think that our leadership positions are based on a threat of physical violence or force. Why do you think a CEO has more legitamate authority than say a commanding officer? I'm not a LEO so I can't speak for them but leading Soldiers in combat takes a tremendous set of skills and attributes, particularly in our current assymetric conflicts. Feel free to carry on your prejudices but you don't know what you are talking about. Nothing like a good dose of Saddo bigotry to push through a 24 hour shift.

I didn't say anything about leadership positions though, except to make the difference between force and influence or authority clearer. Now that is moving the goal posts.Obviously at the highest echelon military leaders will have great intellect and years of very specific education and training, but that's hardly required to enlist for basic training now is it. Is being a common soldier not a position based on the threat of force:confused:

Your original post was in response to me. I hold a leadership position in the military. You've made blanket statements about the military of which comprises lots of leadership positions. Are you now altering your statements to only be relevant for basic trainees and brand new Privates? All officers and most NCOs in the Army are college educated and all have specific training in their field. You should probably stop talking about the military. You really don't seem know the first thing about it.

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A Soldier's duty is to obey the orders of the President and officers appointed above him/her and to defend the Constitution. I guess if you are just going to make up a term then it can mean whatever you want. Soldiers also are regularly part of humanitarian missions both in the US and abroad. I've personally had more deployments now in support of humanitarian missions than combat operations. You seem to really want to pigeon hole service members as morons whose only purpose is to kill.

I didn't say their only purpose is to kill. My initial response was just to your story about privates pushing that guy down the stairs:confused:. You offered that charming little tale and alluded to the military to begin with, I assumed that incident didn't directly involve anyone in a leadership position, but if so that hardly weakens my argument. My point was there are parallels as to why people join and the type of people you find in either discipline, nothing more. I don't know anything about being a gangster either, I find it about as interesting as the military.

Boy you can tap dance with the best of them. You didn't get what I was saying in my origianl post b/c no one was actually getting pushed down stairs. You don't have an argument. You have some false preconcieved notions about people that join the military and use that to make baseless insulting generalizations about a whole group of people. If you aren't interested in the military that is fine but if your are going to post about what kind of people join and what kind of job it is then you should be better informed. You come across as a real bigot in this thread.

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Boy you can tap dance with the best of them. You didn't get what I was saying in my origianl post b/c no one was actually getting pushed down stairs. You don't have an argument. You have some false preconcieved notions about people that join the military and use that to make baseless insulting generalizations about a whole group of people. If you aren't interested in the military that is fine but if your are going to post about what kind of people join and what kind of job it is then you should be better informed. You come across as a real bigot in this thread.

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I've had several young Soldiers that were "gangsters" before joining the Army. They always seemed so surprised when their bravado didn't impress their fellow Soldiers. I will never forget the young man from inner city Chicago that wasn't going to follow orders from some dumb honkey. Strangely enough after slipping in the shower and then later falling down a flight of stairs he became a stellar performer. Those damn Privates are so clumsy sometimes.

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I was just content to follow the back and forth until I got to the last statement where you, VictorCharlie, claimed that no one had actually been pushed down the stairs after insinuating that the falling down the stairs was not an accident but rather a form of hazing. I think it's pretty disingenuous to try to play it both ways by insinuating hazing as a method of correcting the former gangster's behavior, and then later claiming that someone misunderstood what you were trying to say.

It seems neither of you two understood that post. Nor was I being disingenuous or talking about hazing. When you don't understand something and clearly P4P has no understanding about service members or the military it is probably a good idea to ask for clarification before popping off with bigoted comments.

I don't really have the time to cover all the facets of leadership, team building, espirit de corp, duty, integrity etc but everyone has their own leadership style so let me clear some things up. All Soldiers go through an adjustment period where they transition from their civilian lives to a military lifestyle. Most do it with a few minor hiccups to include inner city kids. Most issues require small azimuth checks and corrective training but insubordination cannot be tolerated. A Soldier that is insubordinate will get verbally counseled and then written counselings. So once we reach a point where I've exhausted all of my tools to adjust a Soldiers behavior it becomes the commanders discretion of what type of UCMJ he will face (loss of rank, time, pay, confinement etc). When a Soldier tells me that he doesn't have to listen to some honkey that he doesn't respect b/c I'm not from the street I'd explain that we can do 1 of 2 things: 1 I can make my recommendation to the commander for UCMJ or we can go behind the barracks and handle it man to man. On the two occasions this happened the Soldiers both decided they'd whip my ass. We came back from the barracks with a few bumps and scrapes respectively and the Soldier had a new perspective that for starters they weren't nearly as tough as they thought they were and two that maybe this honkey might be a good guy to follow into combat. The story to explain the bumps and scrapes was to tell the commander they "fell down the stairs" or "slipped in the shower". That was why I used the quotation marks. The end result was a Soldier becoming a valuable part of his team and not having a UCMJ violation over his head. But hey according to P4P we are all a bunch of low moral mouth breathers so whatever is clever I suppose.

I only read the last sentence, sounds about right.

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I'm not even kidding, skimmed over the first few as well but saw you weren't going to explain why you recanted and instead just provide detail of military life that had nothing to do with anything I've said. Having now read it in full I simply regret that I did. So instead of your privates pushing this gangster down the stairs, you personally beat him up, why wasn't that obvious huh. Stick to sorting out mouth breathers.

I didn't recant anything. You made some false assumptions from my post probably due to your prejudices so I explained to you what I was talking about. The military is a different lifestyle, you are not familiar with it and don't' understand it and that is fine but you shouldn't make blanket generalizations about a large group of people or insult someones profession b/c you don't understand it or agree with it. Hey man bigotry is often accompanied with low morals and ignorance. You'd fit right in.

Your post was hardly vague ffs. My prejudices lead me to believe that after this guy "fell down a flight of stairs" followed by your commenting that privates can be so clumsy, they might have had something to do with that:D. I'm glad it wasn't like that and you personally kicked his ass instead, clearly I was way off.

Why would I put it in parentheses if that was literally what happened? Did I say I kicked his ass? Neither instance would be classified as getting beat up or having ones ass kicked. Both occasions they swing, I execute a take down and ultimately a submission using the training I had been trying to get them to participate in. Leadership is about assessing what motivates a person and leveraging it. These two young men needed to see there was value in what the Army had to offer them but they had to play ball. Having what they thought of as an old white guy put them on their ass changed their perspective. Last I heard from them both were still serving successfully. I know you really want this to be some neanderthal episode but it was a leadership success. If you don't understand it, thats fine but you shouldn't espouse sweeping generalizations about a group of people and profession, particularly when you aren't familiar with it.

I didn't care whether he literally fell down stairs, but your post clearly implied that it was some privates who beat him up one way or another. My point wasn't about specifics of serving in the military, it was a sweeping generalization about people who are drawn to positions of force period. Most people don't have to worry about having people swing at them or submission holds on a regular work day, you know;)

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No it didn't'. "Clumsy privates" was in reference to the person that metaphorically "fell down the stairs" and "slipped in the shower" not the imaginary mob of lower enlisted.

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it was a sweeping generalization about people who are drawn to positions of force period

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Splitting hairs about who you were stereotyping seems a little silly. You yourself stated you thought a Soldier was a position of force so yeah you cobbled them under that generalization as well.

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Not really sure what relevance this has.

Of course you aren't. A soldier isn't a position of force? Dear god, lets just agree to disagree on that then.

What? Did I say anything about that above? It seems pretty nebulous to me. It is your term bro. You can have it mean whatever you want but whether you did it originally or later in the thread you definitely included service members in your generalization.

I am re asserting that a soldier is indeed a position of force, I don't know how that is remotely vague. Force only pertains to physicality by it's very definition. Your reading comprehension is really wanting.