I watched the first Paul Williams vs Sergio Martinez fight again tonight, one judge scored the fight 119 - 110 for Williams.
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I watched the first Paul Williams vs Sergio Martinez fight again tonight, one judge scored the fight 119 - 110 for Williams.
Watch Casamoyer vs Santa Cruz. Every scorecard was terrible as most had it close to a shut out for Santa Cruz
I had Santa Cruz winning the fight. But watch it again and you'll a lot of punches by Santa Cruz. And a lot of missing by Santa Cruz. It was a lot of sloppy, ineffective aggression. While I think he still won the fight, he only won it by a couple of points.Quote:
Originally Posted by gest12645
I gotta disagree, I see what you are saying, but Casamayor did nothing in the fight. He was dominated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI had Santa Cruz winning the fight. But watch it again and you'll a lot of punches by Santa Cruz. And a lot of missing by Santa Cruz. It was a lot of sloppy, ineffective aggression. While I think he still won the fight, he only won it by a couple of points.Quote:
Originally Posted by gest12645
I think he lost. I just don't see it as a dominating performance by Cruz. That's giving his performance way to much creditQuote:
Originally Posted by gest12645I gotta disagree, I see what you are saying, but Casamayor did nothing in the fight. He was dominated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI had Santa Cruz winning the fight. But watch it again and you'll a lot of punches by Santa Cruz. And a lot of missing by Santa Cruz. It was a lot of sloppy, ineffective aggression. While I think he still won the fight, he only won it by a couple of points.Quote:
Originally Posted by gest12645
When James Buster Douglas basically spent evry rd knocking the $#!t out of a prime Mike Tyson and knocked him out in rd 10, two judges' scorecards didn't reflect what was going on in the ring.
Judge: Larry Rozadilla 82-88, Douglas ahead.
Judge: Ken Morita 87-86, Mike Tyson ahead ?!
Judge: Masakazu Uchida 86-86, a draw?!
I was there for that one and Casamayor was poor. It wasn't a shutout in my eyes, as there were rounds were neither guy did much, but I still had Santa Cruz winning it.Quote:
Originally Posted by gest12645
The worse scorecards I've seen were in the David Diaz-Erik Morales fight. People are probably sick of me bringing this up, but that was one of the worst decisions I've ever seen. I gave Diaz 3 rounds at most, it was utter bullshit to setup a Pac fight.
Hardy/BelcastroI: European title fight, in Italy; one judge scored the bout 2-0 Belcastro with 10 even rounds...
Doug Tucker in Mijares-Navarro. Mijares clearly won the fight but Tucker somehow has Navarro winning ... a shut-out. He had the clear loser winning every single round. I've never seen anything like that before or since. I remember the commentators assuming that the announcer must've mixed up the scores and he actually had Mijares winning every round. Unfortunately not.
LmfaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
Leonard judge score against Hagler was like 10 rounds to Ray and 2 to Hagler.
Hagler vs Leonard in 1987, very controversial scoring.
Years later, because of ongoing arguments between Boxing fans as to who really won the fight, I decided to score it myself just to work out for myself who I thought won.
Gotta take off the fan-hat and put on the judge's hat, become as impartial as possible and score it rd by rd under the scoring criteria of Boxing.
I had Hagler winning 8 rds and Leonard winning 4 rds. Wasn't a close fight at all, but watching it live on ppv, it seemed a much closer fight.
There was a close rd which scored the other way would've been 9 rds to 3 rds.
Classic fight anyway...
Unbeaten doesn't mean prime, that was not a Prime Mike Tyson.Quote:
Originally Posted by bradlee180
This is why De La Hoya took the Hopkins fight, he thought it would be the same, a late flurry after each round would steal it, NOT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Oscar-Sturm was pretty bad.
Lewis-Holyfield 1 was disgusting
Hopkins-Taylor 1.. I dont even like Hopkins but I thought he was done wrong. Hops was the defending undisputed champ and no way Taylor did enough to take that away from him. Fuckin bullshit.
Oscar-Tito
BTW, i agree with Santa Cruz-Casa.. Funny that Gest mentioned this robbery cuz this was the first fight that popped into my head when i saw this thread. Yea it was bad.
Hopkins-Taylor 1.. I dont even like Hopkins but I thought he was done wrong. Hops was the defending undisputed champ and no way Taylor did enough to take that away from him. Fuckin bullshit.
I agree with you that B Hop won the fight but it was close however did the judges score it widely wrong.
Sometimes that camp Aussie guy Craig is just plain mean on strictly.
Miguel Donate had Asumah Nelson winning 8 rounds to 4 against Jeff Fenech, that was absurd.
Yeah, Jermaine Taylor with one of the lamest Title-challenge efforts ever, and the boxing establishment wanted to get rid of Hopkins as he was seen as a trouble-maker, so they prematurely ended his record-setting run. Hopkins set a record for longest reigning Middleweight Champ and also for Title defenses, but if he hadn't been robbed, I wonder how much longer Hopkins would've reigned, and how many more Title-defenses he'd have made?
Of course 23 year old Mike Tyson was in his prime when Buster knocked the $#! out of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosUnbeaten doesn't mean prime, that was not a Prime Mike Tyson.Quote:
Originally Posted by bradlee180
It's why it's seen as the biggest upset in boxing history, 42-1 odds.
I've never seen people make excuses for a fighter losing like the way lame-ohs constantly make excuses for Mike Tyson...
Roy Jones Jr. vs. Park Si-Hun in the 88 Olympics. Those judges should all commit suicide.
The second poorest scoring fight I saw was against Manny Pacquiao vs. Tim Bradley. Those judges should ALL commit suicide. 115-113 from Ross and Ford for Bradley was just sickening. They should be banned from boxing. In fact, 115-113 from Roth was almost as bad because the fight wasn't even that close. Bradley won, at least, 2 rounds... and they were close rounds you could have scored any way.
These were the two most egregious cases of judging fraud I have EVER seen.
The Roy Jons Jr. robbery would go down in history as the WORSE robbery EVER in the sport of boxing. the Olympic committee should give RJJ his damn medal. For real!
Another one, but it wasn't that bad but I would mention it any way, was DLH vs. Trinidad. But I can appreciate why DLH lost- he simply stopped fighting after the 10th round. You can't beat a champion like that- even though he won every other round, and he should have gotten the decision on merit, by at least a 116-112 score, he simply didn't need to run away for the entire fight.
Honourable mention: Hopkins vs. Calzaghe. The fight was 114-113 Hopkins, and a draw at least. But then again, it was a who-cares fight.
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