Wilder vs....

I think Deontay Wilder is turning up. He has shown he can stop aged and experienced fighters, as well as he has shown that he can stop younger and hungrier guys- Kelvin Price is one of those guys.

But it's time for Wilder to turn it up some more. So, I want to see Wilder vs:
Arreola
Stiverne
Jennings
Chagaev
Haye
Fury
Thompson

He can't go back now. He has shown us that he is a cut above the mediocre and average. He has to turn up even more. I would also consider experienced fights vs:
Shannon Briggs (who can take a punch and is a solid counter puncher)
James Toney (who may school the lad IF he can't mix it up, as Toney is a shoulder roller and brilliant counter-puncher)

But he can't go back now... he has to go forward. Within 2-3 fights, he HAS to be in for the title. HAS TO BE!

Kevin Johnson would be a perfect opponent because he has mediocre power and a concrete chin that absorbed Fury and Klitchko's best shots.

And I thought British posters over hyped there fighters. :DDDDDDDDDD

I look forward to Deontay stepping up, but those fighters are still a different league to the dross he has fought.
As for a title in 2-3 fights, I do not see it happening.

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Originally Posted by jon09

Kevin Johnson would be a perfect opponent because he has mediocre power and a concrete chin that absorbed Fury and Klitchko's best shots.

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I forgot about Johnson. And you're right with that too.

Win, lose or draw, Fury has made a fan out of me. Truly!!
;D

Wilder v Arreleo or Adamek would ensure he goes past round 4.

What about Odlanier Solis? Has come back with a few wins and has a style that could help...or maybe upset...Wilder more than just hammering old nails like Briggs, Quinn and a Toney who frankly needs to just go away.

His people have been calling Wilder out.

Shannon Briggs and Toney?? Really??

Briggs firstly is retired and hasn't fought for a few years.

Toney is a decade past what should have been his retirement, I reckon Wilder would kill Toney inside a few rounds. There's a reason he's fighting nobody's now, he can fight them and not worry about a youngster like Wilder bombing him for 10 rounds.


Needs to be someone like Arreola. Kevin Johnson would be my bet though!

Arreola and Mitchell is pretty much happening last I read, kind of a waste. I don't care to see Kevin Johnson fight anyone, he's such a timid flower puncher that I'm not sure I couldn't go 12 rounds with him, that proves dick all. No different than a Dominick Guinn or somebody like that, we don't need to see a guy go rounds in a televised sparring session just because he hasn't had to, an opponent who will punch him is what Wilder needs. Arreola would have been a perfect test, but he's tied up like most everyone in the OP. Jennings or Chagaev are the only 2 who don't have a fight that I know of, either would be great to obviously.

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Originally Posted by Vendettos

Shannon Briggs and Toney?? Really??

Briggs firstly is retired and hasn't fought for a few years.

Toney is a decade past what should have been his retirement, I reckon Wilder would kill Toney inside a few rounds. There's a reason he's fighting nobody's now, he can fight them and not worry about a youngster like Wilder bombing him for 10 rounds.


Needs to be someone like Arreola. Kevin Johnson would be my bet though!

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Briggs hasn't retired... he's not looking for a fight, but a fight can be made. Toney will certainly take him into the later rounds and test his boxing ability. We want to see his boxing ability, not his punching power- which is evident.
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Originally Posted by Spicoli

What about Odlanier Solis? Has come back with a few wins and has a style that could help...or maybe upset...Wilder more than just hammering old nails like Briggs, Quinn and a Toney who frankly needs to just go away.

His people have been calling Wilder out.

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This Solis fight is a good idea. Has the pedigree. Plus, Solis himself hasn't been tested to any great extent.

Solis is far too dangerous for Wilder imo. He needs someone like Chisora, or if he could, Helenius. Other then that he should stick to another US fighter

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Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe

Solis is far too dangerous for Wilder imo. He needs someone like Chisora, or if he could, Helenius. Other then that he should stick to another US fighter

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I think that's why they're calling him out. It would just be along the lines of what he needs. Solis or Johnson are a different look but lack the visibility or network push. Chris and Mitchell are as predictable as they come and have had the polish taken off but technically make good sense. Johnson could sharpen Wilder mentally as much as physical but could also just keep his hands in his pockets like v Vitali. Likewise Solis but is a much more respectable threat. Just feels like a fun styles fight.

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Originally Posted by p4pking

Arreola and Mitchell is pretty much happening last I read, kind of a waste. I don't care to see Kevin Johnson fight anyone, he's such a timid flower puncher that I'm not sure I couldn't go 12 rounds with him, that proves dick all. No different than a Dominick Guinn or somebody like that, we don't need to see a guy go rounds in a televised sparring session just because he hasn't had to, an opponent who will punch him is what Wilder needs. Arreola would have been a perfect test, but he's tied up like most everyone in the OP. Jennings or Chagaev are the only 2 who don't have a fight that I know of, either would be great to obviously.

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The thing is with him fighting an opponent with a chin is that we will see if he has stamina and is able to go rounds or maybe do something the other fighters couldn't do and knock him (Johnson or Guinn) senseless to raise his stock even more. Carlos Takam could be a decent test for him also.

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Originally Posted by p4pking

Arreola and Mitchell is pretty much happening last I read, kind of a waste. I don't care to see Kevin Johnson fight anyone, he's such a timid flower puncher that I'm not sure I couldn't go 12 rounds with him, that proves dick all. No different than a Dominick Guinn or somebody like that, we don't need to see a guy go rounds in a televised sparring session just because he hasn't had to, an opponent who will punch him is what Wilder needs. Arreola would have been a perfect test, but he's tied up like most everyone in the OP. Jennings or Chagaev are the only 2 who don't have a fight that I know of, either would be great to obviously.

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The thing is with him fighting an opponent with a chin is that we will see if he has stamina and is able to go rounds or maybe do something the other fighters couldn't do and knock him (Johnson or Guinn) senseless to raise his stock even more. Carlos Takam could be a decent test for him also.

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Well there lies the problem with Wilders career, he should already know these things about himself. He's now been a pro for five years, televised a whole bunch of times and has just fought two very recognizable opponents and blown them out in the first. Now he needs to see if he can go 12 rounds against a punching bag? It's completely backwards, especially given the state of the American HW scene.

Even if he doesn't have a glass jaw and he can actually fight, the way he's been groomed won't help him whatsoever when he actually has to prove it. Whether a big fraud or not, he would be a better fighter today had he taken on a single credible, durable opponent before he was getting prime TV slots.

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Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe

Solis is far too dangerous for Wilder imo. He needs someone like Chisora, or if he could, Helenius. Other then that he should stick to another US fighter

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We want to see him in a dangerous fight. It's time. I forgot about Helenius- he doesn't want to fight the big fights. Helenius is another Brian Neilsen to me- someone who's just there.

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Arreola and Mitchell is pretty much happening last I read, kind of a waste. I don't care to see Kevin Johnson fight anyone, he's such a timid flower puncher that I'm not sure I couldn't go 12 rounds with him, that proves dick all. No different than a Dominick Guinn or somebody like that, we don't need to see a guy go rounds in a televised sparring session just because he hasn't had to, an opponent who will punch him is what Wilder needs. Arreola would have been a perfect test, but he's tied up like most everyone in the OP. Jennings or Chagaev are the only 2 who don't have a fight that I know of, either would be great to obviously.

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The thing is with him fighting an opponent with a chin is that we will see if he has stamina and is able to go rounds or maybe do something the other fighters couldn't do and knock him (Johnson or Guinn) senseless to raise his stock even more. Carlos Takam could be a decent test for him also.

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Well there lies the problem with Wilders career, he should already know these things about himself. He's now been a pro for five years, televised a whole bunch of times and has just fought two very recognizable opponents and blown them out in the first. Now he needs to see if he can go 12 rounds against a punching bag? It's completely backwards, especially given the state of the American HW scene.

Even if he doesn't have a glass jaw and he can actually fight, the way he's been groomed won't help him whatsoever when he actually has to prove it. Whether a big fraud or not, he would be a better fighter today had he taken on a single credible, durable opponent before he was getting prime TV slots.

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Here is where I disagree with you and lean on the notion that boxing is a science and a sport. There is no sport or science in knocking a guy senseless within a round or two.

If he (Wilder) feels he can blow away a Klit- especially Vitali- in under 5 rounds, barring any injury, then he has to have rocks in his head. He has to win rounds against Vitali in particular.

I don't think Johnson is a punching bag. What was Johnson's problem was that he was never forced to push a fight BECAUSE he was always lulled into being a punching bag.

Johnson needs to feel the heat in order to rise... and Wilder will come at him harder than Fury or Vitali and allow him (Johnson) to get desperate, at least once in the fight, to rise and show what he can do!

It would be a great fight, for both men if the Wilder/Johnson fight comes off!

As with Vitali, with Johnson, Wilder, will be forced to win rounds.

Schaefer says he's thinking about Wilder versus the winner of Johnson-Arreola. They're definitely going to move him up in class next anyway.

Wilder is as big as any other heavyweight out there, fights tall and has massive power in that right hand. He's going to be a handful for anybody.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Schaefer says he's thinking about Wilder versus the winner of Johnson-Arreola. They're definitely going to move him up in class next anyway.

Wilder is as big as any other heavyweight out there, fights tall and has massive power in that right hand. He's going to be a handful for anybody.

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When I see Wilder my mind runs directly on Tommy Hearns... the built and the right hand is amazing.

That's why I wanna see what happens with his stamina. When Ray Leonard took on Hearns, Hearns gassed out in the 12th and it was a matter of time then.

Heavyweights are not typically built for stamina. HW fights typically end shorter... it would be nice to see what happens by the 8th or 10th round of a very ACTIVE HW fight for Wilder.

I wanna see how he responds. I wanna see good boxing and drama. We pay to see that!

While spectacular ko's are good and exciting, the boxing purist in me wants to see something unfold...

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Schaefer says he's thinking about Wilder versus the winner of Johnson-Arreola. They're definitely going to move him up in class next anyway.

Wilder is as big as any other heavyweight out there, fights tall and has massive power in that right hand. He's going to be a handful for anybody.

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When I see Wilder my mind runs directly on Tommy Hearns... the built and the right hand is amazing.

That's why I wanna see what happens with his stamina. When Ray Leonard took on Hearns, Hearns gassed out in the 12th and it was a matter of time then.

Heavyweights are not typically built for stamina. HW fights typically end shorter... it would be nice to see what happens by the 8th or 10th round of a very ACTIVE HW fight for Wilder.

I wanna see how he responds. I wanna see good boxing and drama. We pay to see that!

While spectacular ko's are good and exciting, the boxing purist in me wants to see something unfold...

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I have a feeling that right hand is going to slow any opponent right the fuck down to an activity level Wilder is comfortable with.

You can not seriously compare Wilder with Hearns. You could fit an ocean between their respective skill levels.

Don't you think you guys are reading a bit too much into the Liakhovich fight? Sergei backed straight up into the ropes AND he kept his left hand down and well he paid the price for it.

Here's what I KNOW

Deontay is a good athlete
He has tremendous power
He has good fast hands

And that's about as far as it goes. How does he deliver that right cross if someone is preparing to counter him? Can he deliver that big power later in the fight? How do his legs hold up for 12 rounds? How's his chin? How does he deal with adversity? How does he deal with a fighter that doesn't wilt at the sight of him?

I want Wilder to be great, but he's got a lot of experience to make up before he's ready for a title shot. His size and reach may end up being something that's big trouble for Vitali, but that fight will never happen as Vitali will retire after fighting Stiverne. Wladimir is far more technical and has greatly improved his defense, IF Wilder can make his punches straighter, more accurate, and less telegraphed he might have a chance in a year or two.

What happens when wilder faces someone with a pulse?

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Originally Posted by boyla

What happens when wilder faces someone with a pulse?

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We'll find out soon enough. I think if he's going to fight the winner of Arreola-Mitchell he's more than likely going to fight Arreola. Cris is looking in very good shape for this upcoming fight, hopefully he can keep that going for the remainder of his career. I think Arreola would be a good test for Deontay...he wouldn't just allow himself to get smashed out the way Liakhovich did...might be the first time someone with power hits Deontay as a pro, but we'll have to wait and see

Wilders body shape is very lean compared to all the other heavyweights.
That might be an advantage for him.
We will soon see.

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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

You can not seriously compare Wilder with Hearns. You could fit an ocean between their respective skill levels.

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I said the built/physique and right hand is similar. He hasn't had a chance to prove the technical aspects because he blows everyone away. All except for Kelvin Price... which was a good showing, and he showed some of his skills AND his fighting instinct- the way he starched Price was similar to how he starched Serhei- so we have more to see from him.

I want a fight against Jennings or Arreola, to be quite honest. Bring back Shannon Briggs too- Briggs, while old, will be a safe/skill test fight for Wilder. Briggs won't wilt and will be up for the fight and can counter-punch with some pop and power.

If Briggs is still around, I feel that fight can show us a lot about Wilder... and be a last ditch for Briggs.