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There are several people on this forum who say that Marquez landed a lucky punch against Pacquiao. However, that is not the case. Marquez trained for that punch, as this video shows:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...rmP6HbI4#at=38
Watch :35-:38.
It wasn't lucky. Anybody that fights Pac knows he can be timed. I thought Marquez would get him in their first fight; I thought Barrera would get him. Didn't expect anything from Morales.
Pac's big punch was always his right hook; he'd throw the left and bring the left foot up to set up the hook. I thought he'd get kod just like that, but it was obviously harder to do in real than it seemed on video.
Well. We knew he was a great counter puncher and trained for this but its good to see footage to back it up..
Come on, all the saddos that said it was a lucky punch speak up now or the mods will name you.
Also, Marquez went pro in 1999, meaning he's been a pro for 12-14 years. He's probably thrown a punch like that thousands of times in his career.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=I1q0dWdhoKg
As for who said it was a lucky punch:
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Originally Posted by 15rounder
I don't think many people said it was a lucky punch, it's pretty clear that Marquez threw it and knew exactly where it was going. It's not like it was a clubbing punch thrown with the hope of hitting the boxer somewhere like Oliver Mcall did to Lennox Lewis for instance.
I was one, add in all the variablesQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
1. He looked like he was going to get knocked out at anypoint.
2. When has Marquez ever knocked anyone out cold, he has never been a fighter with great punching power on any level.
3. Pac has fought fighters who have hit harder and he was able to take there punches just fine, it had been a while since he had even been down, this defied the odds.
Maybe Marquez timed him perfectly, but to knock him out cold after looking all but defeated was luck.
How about the first knockdown?..Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceI was one, add in all the variablesQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
1. He looked like he was going to get knocked out at anypoint.
2. When has Marquez ever knocked anyone out cold, he has never been a fighter with great punching power on any level.
3. Pac has fought fighters who have hit harder and he was able to take there punches just fine, it had been a while since he had even been down, this defied the odds.
Maybe Marquez timed him perfectly, but to knock him out cold after looking all but defeated was luck.
There is no such thing as a lucky punch in boxing. How can it be luck when the whole point in boxing is to hit your opponent? It makes no fucking sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceI was one, add in all the variablesQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
1. He looked like he was going to get knocked out at anypoint.
2. When has Marquez ever knocked anyone out cold, he has never been a fighter with great punching power on any level.
3. Pac has fought fighters who have hit harder and he was able to take there punches just fine, it had been a while since he had even been down, this defied the odds.
Maybe Marquez timed him perfectly, but to knock him out cold after looking all but defeated was luck.
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Originally Posted by impHow about the first knockdown?..Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceI was one, add in all the variablesQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
1. He looked like he was going to get knocked out at anypoint.
2. When has Marquez ever knocked anyone out cold, he has never been a fighter with great punching power on any level.
3. Pac has fought fighters who have hit harder and he was able to take there punches just fine, it had been a while since he had even been down, this defied the odds.
Maybe Marquez timed him perfectly, but to knock him out cold after looking all but defeated was luck.
It was a heck of a punch, Pac went down hard, however he was able to wheather the storm and start beating Marquez down.
In football when someone throws a hail marry in the end zone and its caught is it luck or not because the pass is thrown to be caught, in basketball when a player shoots from the other end of the court and makes the shot is it luck or not since he intended for it to go in, since you don't like to use the word luck lets replace it with miracle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThere is no such thing as a lucky punch in boxing. How can it be luck when the whole point in boxing is to hit your opponent? It makes no fucking sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceI was one, add in all the variablesQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
1. He looked like he was going to get knocked out at anypoint.
2. When has Marquez ever knocked anyone out cold, he has never been a fighter with great punching power on any level.
3. Pac has fought fighters who have hit harder and he was able to take there punches just fine, it had been a while since he had even been down, this defied the odds.
Maybe Marquez timed him perfectly, but to knock him out cold after looking all but defeated was luck.
Are they throwing Hail Mary's all 4 downs? Are they taking half court shots every single possession? No there not. Marquez said before the fight he was gonna go for the knock out. And from the first round you can see he was going for it. Fuck getting robbed. He was gonna knock him out this time. And he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceIn football when someone throws a hail marry in the end zone and its caught is it luck or not because the pass is thrown to be caught, in basketball when a player shoots from the other end of the court and makes the shot is it luck or not since he intended for it to go in, since you don't like to use the word luck lets replace it with miracle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThere is no such thing as a lucky punch in boxing. How can it be luck when the whole point in boxing is to hit your opponent? It makes no fucking sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceI was one, add in all the variablesQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
1. He looked like he was going to get knocked out at anypoint.
2. When has Marquez ever knocked anyone out cold, he has never been a fighter with great punching power on any level.
3. Pac has fought fighters who have hit harder and he was able to take there punches just fine, it had been a while since he had even been down, this defied the odds.
Maybe Marquez timed him perfectly, but to knock him out cold after looking all but defeated was luck.
So lets get this straight..Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by impHow about the first knockdown?..Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceI was one, add in all the variablesQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
1. He looked like he was going to get knocked out at anypoint.
2. When has Marquez ever knocked anyone out cold, he has never been a fighter with great punching power on any level.
3. Pac has fought fighters who have hit harder and he was able to take there punches just fine, it had been a while since he had even been down, this defied the odds.
Maybe Marquez timed him perfectly, but to knock him out cold after looking all but defeated was luck.
It was a heck of a punch, Pac went down hard, however he was able to wheather the storm and start beating Marquez down.
You have just said the first knockdown was a heck of a punch but the 2nd knockdown was lucky?
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseAre they throwing Hail Mary's all 4 downs? Are they taking half court shots every single possession? No there not. Marquez said before the fight he was gonna go for the knock out. And from the first round you can see he was going for it. Fuck getting robbed. He was gonna knock him out this time. And he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceIn football when someone throws a hail marry in the end zone and its caught is it luck or not because the pass is thrown to be caught, in basketball when a player shoots from the other end of the court and makes the shot is it luck or not since he intended for it to go in, since you don't like to use the word luck lets replace it with miracle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThere is no such thing as a lucky punch in boxing. How can it be luck when the whole point in boxing is to hit your opponent? It makes no fucking sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceI was one, add in all the variablesQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
1. He looked like he was going to get knocked out at anypoint.
2. When has Marquez ever knocked anyone out cold, he has never been a fighter with great punching power on any level.
3. Pac has fought fighters who have hit harder and he was able to take there punches just fine, it had been a while since he had even been down, this defied the odds.
Maybe Marquez timed him perfectly, but to knock him out cold after looking all but defeated was luck.
Yea there have been many times in Marquez career where he said he was going for the knock out and then knocked the guy out cold.
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Originally Posted by impSo lets get this straight..Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by impHow about the first knockdown?..Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceI was one, add in all the variablesQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
1. He looked like he was going to get knocked out at anypoint.
2. When has Marquez ever knocked anyone out cold, he has never been a fighter with great punching power on any level.
3. Pac has fought fighters who have hit harder and he was able to take there punches just fine, it had been a while since he had even been down, this defied the odds.
Maybe Marquez timed him perfectly, but to knock him out cold after looking all but defeated was luck.
It was a heck of a punch, Pac went down hard, however he was able to wheather the storm and start beating Marquez down.
You have just said the first knockdown was a heck of a punch but the 2nd knockdown was lucky?
Are you reading my post man, I said Marquez may have timed him perfectly however to knock Pac out cold after looking all but defeated was luck.
I disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by impSo lets get this straight..Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by impHow about the first knockdown?..Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceI was one, add in all the variablesQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
1. He looked like he was going to get knocked out at anypoint.
2. When has Marquez ever knocked anyone out cold, he has never been a fighter with great punching power on any level.
3. Pac has fought fighters who have hit harder and he was able to take there punches just fine, it had been a while since he had even been down, this defied the odds.
Maybe Marquez timed him perfectly, but to knock him out cold after looking all but defeated was luck.
It was a heck of a punch, Pac went down hard, however he was able to wheather the storm and start beating Marquez down.
You have just said the first knockdown was a heck of a punch but the 2nd knockdown was lucky?
Are you reading my post man, I said Marquez may have timed him perfectly however to knock Pac out cold after looking all but defeated was luck.
Your making marquez win look bad which is wrong.
Whether your a die hard pac fan or not accept they have had 3 extremely close fights and this particular time 40 year old lightweight marquez was going to end the show.
All the advantages were with pac for all 4 fights but the punch you never see IS the perfect punch.
Get over it.
Said Juan Diaz would finish the fight on his back. Diaz finished the fight on his back. Said he would be the first to stop Casamayor. He became the first to stop Casamayor. Said Katsidis wouldn't go 12 rounds. Katsidis didn't go 12 rounds. Said he was tired of getting robbed and would knock out Pacquiao. He knocked out Pacquiao. It's not luck. It's greatness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseAre they throwing Hail Mary's all 4 downs? Are they taking half court shots every single possession? No there not. Marquez said before the fight he was gonna go for the knock out. And from the first round you can see he was going for it. Fuck getting robbed. He was gonna knock him out this time. And he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceIn football when someone throws a hail marry in the end zone and its caught is it luck or not because the pass is thrown to be caught, in basketball when a player shoots from the other end of the court and makes the shot is it luck or not since he intended for it to go in, since you don't like to use the word luck lets replace it with miracle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThere is no such thing as a lucky punch in boxing. How can it be luck when the whole point in boxing is to hit your opponent? It makes no fucking sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceI was one, add in all the variablesQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
1. He looked like he was going to get knocked out at anypoint.
2. When has Marquez ever knocked anyone out cold, he has never been a fighter with great punching power on any level.
3. Pac has fought fighters who have hit harder and he was able to take there punches just fine, it had been a while since he had even been down, this defied the odds.
Maybe Marquez timed him perfectly, but to knock him out cold after looking all but defeated was luck.
Yea there have been many times in Marquez career where he said he was going for the knock out and then knocked the guy out cold.
There was some luck involved with THAT punch because Manny was practically "by it"!
Manny doube feinted (huge no no in boxing) then fell in and his right shoulder was almost touching Juans! Juan was late lettng it go but the results showed it was on the money!!!
The move is practiced by every countermover/counterpuncher against an agressive southpaw so its not a lucky circustance!!! However Manny aided Juan by making three mistakes in sequence and paid the price!!!
The punch had a little luck to it!!! Nothing wrong with some luck! Ray.
Jerry, are you the type of person that still thinks elvis is alive?
Why cant you accept this.?
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseSaid Juan Diaz would finish the fight on his back. Diaz finished the fight on his back. Said he would be the first to stop Casamayor. He became the first to stop Casamayor. Said Katsidis wouldn't go 12 rounds. Katsidis didn't go 12 rounds. Said he was tired of getting robbed and would knock out Pacquiao. He knocked out Pacquiao. It's not luck. It's greatness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseAre they throwing Hail Mary's all 4 downs? Are they taking half court shots every single possession? No there not. Marquez said before the fight he was gonna go for the knock out. And from the first round you can see he was going for it. Fuck getting robbed. He was gonna knock him out this time. And he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceIn football when someone throws a hail marry in the end zone and its caught is it luck or not because the pass is thrown to be caught, in basketball when a player shoots from the other end of the court and makes the shot is it luck or not since he intended for it to go in, since you don't like to use the word luck lets replace it with miracle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThere is no such thing as a lucky punch in boxing. How can it be luck when the whole point in boxing is to hit your opponent? It makes no fucking sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceI was one, add in all the variablesQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
1. He looked like he was going to get knocked out at anypoint.
2. When has Marquez ever knocked anyone out cold, he has never been a fighter with great punching power on any level.
3. Pac has fought fighters who have hit harder and he was able to take there punches just fine, it had been a while since he had even been down, this defied the odds.
Maybe Marquez timed him perfectly, but to knock him out cold after looking all but defeated was luck.
Yea there have been many times in Marquez career where he said he was going for the knock out and then knocked the guy out cold.
You are getting far off the point, in none of those other fights was he close to being knocked out and he knocked his opponent out cold with one punch, I am sure he was looking for a knockout in all of his fights that did not mean it happened.
Absofuckinglutely! You train your whole boxing life to hit someone else, you hit or you miss and this time Marquez finally hit! There is no luck in boxing, hitting your opponent is the whole point. The real skill is trying not to get hit, Marquez landed a shot that he has trained his whole life to do. He trained, he fought, he hit and he won.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThere is no such thing as a lucky punch in boxing. How can it be luck when the whole point in boxing is to hit your opponent? It makes no fucking sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceI was one, add in all the variablesQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
1. He looked like he was going to get knocked out at anypoint.
2. When has Marquez ever knocked anyone out cold, he has never been a fighter with great punching power on any level.
3. Pac has fought fighters who have hit harder and he was able to take there punches just fine, it had been a while since he had even been down, this defied the odds.
Maybe Marquez timed him perfectly, but to knock him out cold after looking all but defeated was luck.
:vd: If he doesn't have great punching power, then why does he have 40 knockouts out of 55 wins?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceI was one, add in all the variablesQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
1. He looked like he was going to get knocked out at anypoint.
2. When has Marquez ever knocked anyone out cold, he has never been a fighter with great punching power on any level.
3. Pac has fought fighters who have hit harder and he was able to take there punches just fine, it had been a while since he had even been down, this defied the odds.
Maybe Marquez timed him perfectly, but to knock him out cold after looking all but defeated was luck.
I can't believe I have to repost this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=I1q0dWdhoKg
At what point was Marquez remotely close to getting KTFO against Manny in the 4th fight?! cause guess that was on the alternate versionQuote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseSaid Juan Diaz would finish the fight on his back. Diaz finished the fight on his back. Said he would be the first to stop Casamayor. He became the first to stop Casamayor. Said Katsidis wouldn't go 12 rounds. Katsidis didn't go 12 rounds. Said he was tired of getting robbed and would knock out Pacquiao. He knocked out Pacquiao. It's not luck. It's greatness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseAre they throwing Hail Mary's all 4 downs? Are they taking half court shots every single possession? No there not. Marquez said before the fight he was gonna go for the knock out. And from the first round you can see he was going for it. Fuck getting robbed. He was gonna knock him out this time. And he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceIn football when someone throws a hail marry in the end zone and its caught is it luck or not because the pass is thrown to be caught, in basketball when a player shoots from the other end of the court and makes the shot is it luck or not since he intended for it to go in, since you don't like to use the word luck lets replace it with miracle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThere is no such thing as a lucky punch in boxing. How can it be luck when the whole point in boxing is to hit your opponent? It makes no fucking sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceI was one, add in all the variablesQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
1. He looked like he was going to get knocked out at anypoint.
2. When has Marquez ever knocked anyone out cold, he has never been a fighter with great punching power on any level.
3. Pac has fought fighters who have hit harder and he was able to take there punches just fine, it had been a while since he had even been down, this defied the odds.
Maybe Marquez timed him perfectly, but to knock him out cold after looking all but defeated was luck.
Yea there have been many times in Marquez career where he said he was going for the knock out and then knocked the guy out cold.
You are getting far off the point, in none of those other fights was he close to being knocked out and he knocked his opponent out cold with one punch, I am sure he was looking for a knockout in all of his fights that did not mean it happened.
was there a Pacvision version because I did not have the glasses on. Yes he busted up JMM's nose but was not near KO ing JMM and the fight was close to a draw at the time of end of the fight. JMM had put Pac on his ass , spun him completely around then tucked his ass in bad and said good night. Where is the mention of this? Pac had busted that nose and had a flash KD that had no ill effect on JMM. However the tide was changing towards Pac's favor. What you can not account for was that JMM's punches were having a greater propensity to end the fight. Pac was cutting JMM's face up but the fight was really being fought at JMM's pace and distance for the desired JMM outcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesAt jmm's nose but not close to what point was Marquez remotely close to getting KTFO against Manny in the 4th fight?! cause guess that was on the alternate versionQuote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseSaid Juan Diaz would finish the fight on his back. Diaz finished the fight on his back. Said he would be the first to stop Casamayor. He became the first to stop Casamayor. Said Katsidis wouldn't go 12 rounds. Katsidis didn't go 12 rounds. Said he was tired of getting robbed and would knock out Pacquiao. He knocked out Pacquiao. It's not luck. It's greatness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseAre they throwing Hail Mary's all 4 downs? Are they taking half court shots every single possession? No there not. Marquez said before the fight he was gonna go for the knock out. And from the first round you can see he was going for it. Fuck getting robbed. He was gonna knock him out this time. And he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceIn football when someone throws a hail marry in the end zone and its caught is it luck or not because the pass is thrown to be caught, in basketball when a player shoots from the other end of the court and makes the shot is it luck or not since he intended for it to go in, since you don't like to use the word luck lets replace it with miracle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThere is no such thing as a lucky punch in boxing. How can it be luck when the whole point in boxing is to hit your opponent? It makes no fucking sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceI was one, add in all the variablesQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
1. He looked like he was going to get knocked out at anypoint.
2. When has Marquez ever knocked anyone out cold, he has never been a fighter with great punching power on any level.
3. Pac has fought fighters who have hit harder and he was able to take there punches just fine, it had been a while since he had even been down, this defied the odds.
Maybe Marquez timed him perfectly, but to knock him out cold after looking all but defeated was luck.
Yea there have been many times in Marquez career where he said he was going for the knock out and then knocked the guy out cold.
You are getting far off the point, in none of those other fights was he close to being knocked out and he knocked his opponent out cold with one punch, I am sure he was looking for a knockout in all of his fights that did not mean it happened.
Fighters who hit harder? Who the hell has Pac fought with supreme one punch power? Rather then discrediting JMM . Margarito, Hatton, Cotto, ODLH, Mosley, EM, MAB, Bradley ....... none of them had notorious 1 punch power. The question is how many months does it take a Pac nut hugger to come to his senses from dream / denial land? At least Pac finally woke up .....Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict:vd: If he doesn't have great punching power, then why does he have 40 knockouts out of 55 wins?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceI was one, add in all the variablesQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
1. He looked like he was going to get knocked out at anypoint.
2. When has Marquez ever knocked anyone out cold, he has never been a fighter with great punching power on any level.
3. Pac has fought fighters who have hit harder and he was able to take there punches just fine, it had been a while since he had even been down, this defied the odds.
Maybe Marquez timed him perfectly, but to knock him out cold after looking all but defeated was luck.
I can't believe I have to repost this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=I1q0dWdhoKg
Look at all those 'lucky' punches!Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict:vd: If he doesn't have great punching power, then why does he have 40 knockouts out of 55 wins?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceI was one, add in all the variablesQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
1. He looked like he was going to get knocked out at anypoint.
2. When has Marquez ever knocked anyone out cold, he has never been a fighter with great punching power on any level.
3. Pac has fought fighters who have hit harder and he was able to take there punches just fine, it had been a while since he had even been down, this defied the odds.
Maybe Marquez timed him perfectly, but to knock him out cold after looking all but defeated was luck.
I can't believe I have to repost this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=I1q0dWdhoKg
That was an not a lucky punch, he intended to land the right hand and knock Manny out as he has tried to do to every other opponent in his career. He timed it beautifully.
Nice video of the sparring that was a sweet right hand that put the other guy down, swap they 16oz gloves for 8oz and lose the headgear and that guy would of not got up.
I never understood the idea behind the "lucky punch". If you try to smash your fist into a guy's chin, and you DO smash your first into a guy's chin, how is that lucky? You accomplished the EXACT goal you were trying to.
A lucky punch would be if Marquez slipped on a wet patch in the canvas, and while flailing his arms, his glove hit Pacquaio and knocked him out. That's luck.
Great proof case closed.. " La Vierga " hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
Wow can you believe this guy. I never thought much of Richard Schafer's eye's for boxing but he's one of the guys who think Marquez' punch was lucky lol
" And you look at number three on many people’s list, Juan Manuel Marquez, who lost every second of every round against Floyd Mayweather and frankly, with Manny Pacquiao till he landed the lucky punch. So does that make him number three pound-for-pound? I really don’t think so.”
- Richard Schafer
He couldn't have lost every second of every round against Pacquiao if he floored him in the 3rd.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
46-47 on every card at the time of the KO. In pac's favor of course, but not like he was running away with the fight or anything.
Ask professionals how important luck is. Skill is important but so is luck.
Well if you subscribe to that, then EVERY KO punch is a lucky punch. It's either takes luck to knock someone out or it doesn't. We don't get to just pull out the "lucky punch" nonsense when our favorite fighter gets KTFO.Quote:
Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer
What kind of luck are we talking about? Being in the right place at the right time and signing with a huge promoter or landing a big money fight can have luck involved but putting your opponent to sleep has nothing to do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer
Zou Shiming is a one lucky motherfucker in that sense
Marquez is just a master at what he does. Everything he does is carefully planned and executed.
I actually asked James Toney about " lucky punches " and guess what he said?
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Originally Posted by BeanflickerWell if you subscribe to that, then EVERY KO punch is a lucky punch. It's either takes luck to knock someone out or it doesn't. We don't get to just pull out the "lucky punch" nonsense when our favorite fighter gets KTFO.Quote:
Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer
If the idea of a lucky punch is such a ridiculous idea why do you guys fanatically fight that opinion, obviously you pay it attention for a reason.
Another example of retarded PAC fans using any 3rd party information to validate PAC undoing and reluctance to take the test. At least add your source rather just typing Richard Schaefer. "PAC loves loves getting tea bagged" - Manny Pacquiao . Only in Pac's huggers world do comments like this become a valid remarkQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_AddictHe couldn't have lost every second of every round against Pacquiao if he floored him in the 3rd.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Plain and simple stupidness / ignorance gets on people's nerves .Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerWell if you subscribe to that, then EVERY KO punch is a lucky punch. It's either takes luck to knock someone out or it doesn't. We don't get to just pull out the "lucky punch" nonsense when our favorite fighter gets KTFO.Quote:
Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer
If the idea of a lucky punch is such a ridiculous idea why do you guys fanatically fight that opinion, obviously you pay it attention for a reason.
Why do we fight something we strongly disagree with? What the fuck kind of question is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerWell if you subscribe to that, then EVERY KO punch is a lucky punch. It's either takes luck to knock someone out or it doesn't. We don't get to just pull out the "lucky punch" nonsense when our favorite fighter gets KTFO.Quote:
Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer
If the idea of a lucky punch is such a ridiculous idea why do you guys fanatically fight that opinion, obviously you pay it attention for a reason.
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Originally Posted by BeanflickerWhy do we fight something we strongly disagree with? What the fuck kind of question is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerWell if you subscribe to that, then EVERY KO punch is a lucky punch. It's either takes luck to knock someone out or it doesn't. We don't get to just pull out the "lucky punch" nonsense when our favorite fighter gets KTFO.Quote:
Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer
If the idea of a lucky punch is such a ridiculous idea why do you guys fanatically fight that opinion, obviously you pay it attention for a reason.
I don't know what the fuck you're talking about, when I disagree with someone in a debate they are usually making educated points that I can understand but just don't concur, such as if someone told me that they thought James Tony was better than Bernard Hopkins, that is something I would disagree with but you can make points that would make that argument legit / Now if someone told me that John Ruiz was better than Wlad or Vatali that would be an argument so incredibly stupid I would not even respond.
So if my argument is so ridiculous and does not make since why the fuck do you respond.