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Man, I have been thinking about this fight- I feel Fury is going to shock us with a beatdown of Haye.
I'm tellin' you: The oddsmakers may have Haye, but the fight will be a display of Fury.
I have warmed TREMENDOUSLY to Fury over the last year or so. TREMENDOUSLY!!!
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I can't see it happening but I really hope he does win... it would be quite amusing..
one thing i have to say about fury is even though I thought he was a total donkey not too long ago he does seem to be improving greatly with every fight these days he uses his weight and reach advantage very well these days... he totally wore cunningham down , if he is allowed to rough haye up in the same way maybe he could exhaust and stop haye late on.... but the knockdown v cunningham is very worrying :S I think it is far too soon for fury.
Right on bro. Haye is gonna get beat down hard. This guy is way too hollywood and and a peaking tyson fury isnt going to lose to some part time fighter.
Some might argue that inactivity dont affect haye but its a different story when he's going up against a giant animal like fury. Fury is not chisora.
He was about to get knocked out himself until he landed some hail marys just in time when his stamina was about to give in against chisora.
This is another one of those fights where the better fighter is overlooked by the bookies and fans. Tyson fury shouldnt be the underdog. If anything, this bout should be dead even.
Dude has enough trouble beating down part time cab drivers let alone part time boxers. Behave yourselves ;D
Yea but he weathered the storm and beat them. It's the result that matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
What happened to Haye and Carl Williams again? LOL
Who? ;D
Here's some advice - Do not ever try gambling full-time.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
much as i hate them both am really thinking haye is rustier than a nail in a tsunami. he will be so off in his timing and footwork, and fury is so big and will wear down haye. I agree now and see ti clearly that Fury will knock out Haye in the 7th.
Tyson Fury KO7 over david haye or I will eat my fucking hat.
Tyson Fury KO7 over david haye or I will eat my fucking hat.
Tyson Fury KO7 over david haye or I will eat my fucking hat.
Tyson Fury KO7 over david haye or I will eat my fucking hat.
Tyson Fury KO7 over david haye or I will eat my fucking hat.
Tyson Fury KO7 over david haye or I will eat my fucking hat.
Tyson Fury KO7 over david haye or I will eat my fucking hat.
Tyson Fury KO7 over david haye or I will eat my fucking hat.
Tyson Fury KO7 over david haye or I will eat my fucking hat.
Tyson Fury KO7 over david haye or I will eat my fucking hat.
Tyson Fury KO7 over david haye or I will eat my fucking hat.
Tyson Fury KO7 over david haye or I will eat my fucking hat.
Tyson Fury KO7 over david haye or I will eat my fucking hat.
Tyson Fury KO7 over david haye or I will eat my fucking hat.
Tyson Fury KO7 over david haye or I will eat my fucking hat.
Tyson Fury KO7 over david haye or I will eat my fucking hat.
Says the guy who picked Mares by KO just because everyone else did. You got to learn how to think outside the box sometimes , kiddo..save your advice. knowing when to take risks and when to play it safe are all parts of being a major player.. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHere's some advice - Do not ever try gambling full-time.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
OK dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaSays the guy who picked Mares by KO just because everyone else did. You got to learn how to think outside the box sometimes , kiddo..save your advice. knowing when to take risks and when to play it safe are all parts of being a major player.. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHere's some advice - Do not ever try gambling full-time.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Just saying that if you think Haye is an even money shot then you don't understand how odds are compiled. However, you have a fantastic opportunity to clean-up. You can get over 3/1 on Tyson Fury. Good luck.
I don't even understand the Mares comment? 1. I didn't bet on the fight. 2. How was picking a young, undefeated "world" champion over a veteran former champion "wrong?" 3. Why would I need to copy anyone about such simple basic logic?
I cant see fury winning although I think the odds are long on him doing so
I think its a closer fight than most have
I think fury has to start fast, which I don't think he will, I think if he could work haye out quickly then we could have a fight
I think haye is more likely to pick away at fury and frustrate him into too many mistakes
if I was to have a bet I would bet on Haye to win by KO probably somewhere between 3 and 6
Hope you like the taste of hat.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
This fight will come down to two factors- the experience factor of Fury and how he reacts when Haye tries to bait him into a very swift and hot exchange. And, secondly, does Haye still have the pop on his right hand to hit Fury- which clearly Fury must be working on staying away.
I don't think Fury gets caught in all of that. And, this fight, we will see the issues with ring rust and someone who's heart has left the fight game 3 years ago in Haye, vs. a guy like Fury who wants it and willing to continuously work for it.
Fury frustrates Haye over 12 rounds with sporadic spurts and bursts of fighting in between.
Fury in a UD- sorta like a 115-112 OR a 114-111/2 victory.
p.s.: It also depends on if Haye's toe is ready for a few rounds. ;D ;D ;D
Caveat: If Haye has any chance of winning this fight AND putting himself back into the world title mix against either Wlad or Vitali, he has to knock Fury out and in dramatic finishing fashion.
That means that when and if he hits Fury, the fight must end in that round- if there is more than 1 minute left in the round.
The only way Haye can win this fight is by KO- and it is the only way boxing critics and ratings agencies will look at him again as a real HW contender against Wlad or Vitali.
Fury has been tagged flush in nearly every fight he has had , so for me it is logical that Haye will land in the first 3 rounds. Haye is a big puncher , unlike the other fighters Fury has fought.
So my opinion is Haye KO 3 , or if he catches him in round 1 or 2 then earlier.
you think Fury can win the fight by fighting in bursts? what is he doing whilst he isn't fighting? standing off?Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Sure. Either two things will happen- Fury will stand away and jab to the head and body from afar and the fight will be a snooze-fest, but he will win that contest. Or, he will try to mix it up a few times in a hot exchange and he will get hit- assuming Haye still has his pop. And, at 34, I don't see why he shouldn't have his pop.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44you think Fury can win the fight by fighting in bursts? what is he doing whilst he isn't fighting? standing off?Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Haye will try to put pressure and get on the inside. How Fury responds to that is what will be at Haye's best chance or last chance.
I don't see Fury getting beat if he keeps his jab long, to the head and body- mix in a little short left hook moving to his right and away from Haye's right, Haye will have no choice but to miss wildly- see a lot of slips and falls by Haye.
There are as much chances to see Price winning against Haye than to see Shane McGowan fully sober at an AA meeting.
Fury will lose by KO. Its fairly obvious. Fury has not been in with a big puncher and has been floored several times. Haye is a big puncher and a lot faster then anyone Fury has fought.
If Fury makes it past 5 rounds Id be very surprised.
If Fury does get past 5 rounds he wins. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
I'd like to see Fury pull it out, but just can't see that happening. He's huge and has some skill, but he doesn't really have a consistent style and fights stupid. He isn't a puncher, isn't fast, doesn't take a great shot and doesn't defend well. I think Haye might have some trouble if Fury tries to box and tie up lots, but he'll get through with a big shot soon enough in any case.
Even Audley got up when he was hit by Haye though ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
If Fury hadnt already had the fights with Rogan and Johnson would you think he could get past them two and with the ease that he did?Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
He is being monumentally overlooked based on the Cunningham performance. Even then people are forgetting that Fury fought back hard and knocked the man spark out!
All everyone has in their minds is fury getting dropped. I like Fury and was watching the fight and said to my missus during the first round that any minute now hes going to get caught with a right hand. He was litterally asking to be smacked. If Haye was doing the same thing against Cunningham in the first id have thought exactly the same.
It happened because Fury gave it to him on a plate but even after fighting like a complete idiot he still sparked a man that Adamek (who people like Kabong rate higher than Fury) struggled to get a very contraversial decision over.
Cunningham is the best fighter he's faced though, and his last fight. Rogan and Johnson are garbage and no barometer of anything. I like Fury, just don't think he can avoid or take Hayes punch.
I dont think he could take a full on shot from Haye either. Hes just got to fight alot smarter and he is capable of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I see Haye as a bit like Mosely. He has fast powerfull hands but thats it. He doesnt move his head or have any real defence. His success has come against fighters that have been a bitintimidated by his speed but at the same time Haye has fought BIG men like hes intimidated of their size.
Chisora pushed him well and if he hadnt have opened up it was only a mater of a round or two before Haye fell apart. Chisora got careless as I reckon he could feel Haye slowing.
Tyson is still learning with each fight. Every fighter he faces hes picking something up in regards to experience and poise. Fury is better than Chisora and beating Chisora the way Haye did has masked how vulnerable he was looking. Tyson getting dropped by Cunningham has masked an excellent result.
I also agree that Fury is not going to be the most gracefull or skilled heavy but right now with whats out there hes as good as anyone and his size, awkwardness and willingness to let his hands go is far more enjoyable to watch than the other boring plodders.
i'm not sure I agree with a lot you have said there rossQuote:
Originally Posted by rossI dont think he could take a full on shot from Haye either. Hes just got to fight alot smarter and he is capable of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I see Haye as a bit like Mosely. He has fast powerfull hands but thats it. He doesnt move his head or have any real defence. His success has come against fighters that have been a bitintimidated by his speed but at the same time Haye has fought BIG men like hes intimidated of their size.
Chisora pushed him well and if he hadnt have opened up it was only a mater of a round or two before Haye fell apart. Chisora got careless as I reckon he could feel Haye slowing.
Tyson is still learning with each fight. Every fighter he faces hes picking something up in regards to experience and poise. Fury is better than Chisora and beating Chisora the way Haye did has masked how vulnerable he was looking. Tyson getting dropped by Cunningham has masked an excellent result.
I also agree that Fury is not going to be the most gracefull or skilled heavy but right now with whats out there hes as good as anyone and his size, awkwardness and willingness to let his hands go is far more enjoyable to watch than the other boring plodders.
haye has a very good defence for a heavyweight
chisora wasn't in the fight at all with haye, although he made it exciting by keeping moving forward
and im not sure Tyson is so much better than chisora, if the two fought again I think it would be a very different fight, first time fury got away with it because chisora didn't put the effort in
Chisora did what he could with what he has. Fury has also come on leaps and bounds since then whereas Chisora is still fighting the same. Fury is also in far better shape now.
Haye does not have a great defence. He has got away with what he does because he's fought who?
Exactly!
What? He's gonna last more than 2 rounds?Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Referencing Price again?Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosWhat? He's gonna last more than 2 rounds?Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
;D
Fury won't see past 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossReferencing Price again?Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosWhat? He's gonna last more than 2 rounds?Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
;D
I actually give fury more chance against Haye than I do against price.
Thats because you have been brought up in plastic cheese slices and deep fried mars bars;D
You should have been an abortion.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Whats it like?Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosYou should have been an abortion.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
fury is a better fighter also yes, I still think it would be a much closer fight if the two fought again and I don't think fury would have it all his own wayQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
in recent years I haven't seen haye punched clean in the face and you cant do what he has done in that time without fighting decent fighters
Decent fighters at heavy?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44fury is a better fighter also yes, I still think it would be a much closer fight if the two fought again and I don't think fury would have it all his own wayQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
in recent years I haven't seen haye punched clean in the face and you cant do what he has done in that time without fighting decent fighters
Audley Harrison? john Ruiz? Valuev? barrett?
Wlad hit him and he didnt want to know;D
ha, I was gonna end my previous post with "Q the who has he fought a heavyweight conversation"Quote:
Originally Posted by rossDecent fighters at heavy?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44fury is a better fighter also yes, I still think it would be a much closer fight if the two fought again and I don't think fury would have it all his own wayQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
in recent years I haven't seen haye punched clean in the face and you cant do what he has done in that time without fighting decent fighters
Audley Harrison? john Ruiz? Valuev? barrett?
Wlad hit him and he didnt want to know;D
wlad is the best heavyweight out there by a long long way and if he had hit him cleanly he would have knocked him out but he didnt
against Harrison, ruiz, valuev, barrett, chisora he hardly took a punch, ok great opposition or not they couldn't hit him (ruiz a hand full of times and barrett when he was on his way down from a slip)
this all suggests to me that haye has a good defence
Haye fought old men who had been retired. They were slow and didnt fight at a pace.
You are talking like most were about Price before he fought Thompson. Looking good against that level of opposition is not hard. He got dropped by Barrett looked shite against Harrison, didnt deserve the nod against Valuev, struggled to put Ruiz away (even with his massive power and speed) and basically just wanted to hear the final bell against Wlad.
What has he done at heavy that is anything to get excited about?
we are talking about hayes defence not what he has done at HWQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
Price v Thompson has nothing to do with hayes defence
as said before all of those fighters you mention failed to really hit him with very few exceptions (on his way down against barrett, ruiz once or twice)
wlad (by far the best HW in the world) caught him a few times but never really cleanly
suggests haye has a good defence does it not?