Roy jones jr..what exactly happened?

I loved roy jones in his prime.

We all know what happened after the first tarver fight but what was it that changed roy jones after that moment.

He achieved glory by beating ruiz and being the heavyweight champ THEN dropping weight (or muscle) and beating tarver for the LH belt.

These are my questions:-

1. How would you have remembered roy if he retired after the first tarver fight?

2. Was it the muscle loss that ended roys reign at the top?

3. Was it the fact roy achieved everything he had too after the first tarver win and lost focus?

4. Was it tarvers awkward southpaw style that ended roys reign?

Just give me feedback on your honest review on this period in roys career and your opinion on everything we see now that roy is doing.

Cheers

Age. He got a little bit older and slower and didn't have technique and thus he kept getting knocked out being a bit chinny. Not exactly rocket science.

I think it was a combination of 2 and 3

I think it was a perfect storm of factors.

The weight gain and loss definitely took a lot out of him. You can't just totally restructure your body and then tear it back down again in such a short time frame, especially if you're in your mid 30s. Look at what Chris Byrd did: he decided to shave down from HW to LHW and he looked HORRIBLE. He was used to getting hit by HWs and going through it, now he was getting bounced around the ring by a 175lber with hardly any power. It's a recipe for disaster.

Also, like mentioned I think Roy's heart was no longer in it. I was watching a recent interview with him where he said his goal was to go up and win the HW title, then come back down and regain the LHW title and retire. He accomplished that after the first Tarver fight. I remember at the time (after the first Tarver fight) he said he wanted to do a "mega fight" with Mike Tyson and then retire. Once a guy starts talking about retirement, you know he's done.

And also, Roy was 35 at the time. At that point, he'd been fighting for 15 or 16 years as a professional. We've been spoiled by guys like Foreman, Bhop, ect who are fighting well into their 40s and winning titles, and we forget that those guys are the exception, not the rule.
Look at other guys like Jones who relied on speed and reflexes: Whitaker was well past it by 35 (and was getting outboxed by Hurtado at 33). At 35, Ray Leonard was getting battered around the ring by Terry Norris like an old man. And of course if you want to go to Ali, he was struggling with guys like Shavers and Spinks at that age. So I think father time was also catching up with Roy: all of a sudden his body didn't respond to openings and danger quite as fast as it used to.

I'll always have a soft spot for Roy because he's the reason I started watching boxing. I wish he'd just retired after the first Tarver fight.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

Age. He got a little bit older and slower and didn't have technique and thus he kept getting knocked out being a bit chinny. Not exactly rocket science.

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Age is off course a factor but we are talking pre tarver johnson - post ruiz.

The first tarver fight he won showed alot of things.

1. Roy would have been regarded as one of the greatest, if not the greatest, ever boxer if he retired after the first tarver fight

2. It was the muscle loss that ended Roys reign with age another factor which slowed him down.

3. Roy got caught with a peach of a shot but at his best he would have avoided it.

4. Roy destroys southpaws and all styles at his best.

Roy is 1 of the ATG's. But ego, age and poor decisions really made him look bad in his twilight career.

All things lead to desire.



























Or steroids.....

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Originally Posted by ross

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Or steroids.....

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Werent they legal when he took them?

Or is that a rumour.

He was caught with something ilegal that was an ingredient of a sports suppliment.

Wouldnt it be easy though to find a sports suppliment that has whatever cheaty drug you want to take and use that as an excuse after being found cheating?

Most older men who get into a fix seem to do so cause their mind thinks like a 20 to 30 year old.(;D I am one I know of this stupidity well):
The old neurons cant fire down the channels as fast anymore but we still think like they can. So our legs walk our heads into stuff we can no longer take as well and once there, cant fire fast enough to get us out of the situation as fast either so to survive we have to think differently. If you sit in a good paddock a few times or dont train naturally or use roids or play with your weight in any way after middle age you are probably going to slow down even faster than someone whos done nothing, so you will have to choose your future marks even more carefully and fight a different fight.
Roy should of given up thinking about head hunting after he failed to catch a few of his chickens by hand.;)

Jones never learned how to fight. With his ridiculous speed and God like athleticism he never had to. Muthafukkas don't really understand how many levels he was above everybody else in skills. He did everything wrong in the ring and got away with it. He played basketball in the day and the defended his title at night. He was that gifted. Jones should of retired after the Ruiz fight. He would of been considered one of the top 5 if he did. He should of never fought Tarver. Cuz he didn't have too. Tarver had a chance to fight Jones before but blew it when he lost to Eric Harding. So Jones didn't owe Tarver shit.

Should've retired after the Ruiz fight and worked in promotion or commentary. The first Tarver fight saw the writing on the wall, that should've convinced him to finish and no rematch given. He was 34 when he first fought Tarver, what was the point of continuing? It's a been a sad decline ever since culminating in the embarrassment of the Green loss.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

Age. He got a little bit older and slower and didn't have technique and thus he kept getting knocked out being a bit chinny. Not exactly rocket science.

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Age is off course a factor but we are talking pre tarver johnson - post ruiz.

The first tarver fight he won showed alot of things.

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I think he just looked old, it was a very laboured win by his standards.

Roy got bored at the same time age was tapping him on the shoulder. He was pure reflex and instinct and he just didn't develope that second fundamental gear to call on. The heavy-Tyson talk was ludicrous and once that was over he didn't go back to fighting a Woods, Gonzalez or Kelly, but he fought a rebounding Tarver who had his own chip on the shoulder not to mention his previous trinkets and was a better boxer than Jones had faced in some time. Honestly Tarver did a great job at mind gaming Roy, getting under his skin and self promotion and Roy's clock simply ran out in rematch.

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Originally Posted by Master

1. Roy would have been regarded as one of the greatest, if not the greatest, ever boxer if he retired after the first tarver fight

2. It was the muscle loss that ended Roys reign with age another factor which slowed him down.

3. Roy got caught with a peach of a shot but at his best he would have avoided it.

4. Roy destroys southpaws and all styles at his best.

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Its sad, but true.

To me, and some others on this forum, he is still the best of all time. He was out of this world. As VD was saying, its incomprehensible just how much better he was than everyone else and that included guys like James Toney and Vrigil Hill.

Look at Reggie Johnson's resume and then see how totally outclassed he was by Roy.

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Should've retired after the Ruiz fight and worked in promotion or commentary. The first Tarver fight saw the writing on the wall, that should've convinced him to finish and no rematch given. He was 34 when he first fought Tarver, what was the point of continuing? It's a been a sad decline ever since culminating in the embarrassment of the Green loss.

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Yeah Im Australian but a boxing fan first, it depressed me no end that he was fighting Green and I was devastated that he lost,Roy should never have given it a chance to happen.

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Originally Posted by ross

He was caught with something ilegal that was an ingredient of a sports suppliment.

Wouldnt it be easy though to find a sports suppliment that has whatever cheaty drug you want to take and use that as an excuse after being found cheating?

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It was ripped fuel and its not a steroid. It was purchased over the counter at drug stores and he was only accused of using it once and it was in the Richard Hall fight. Of course the story spun out of control at the time because his accuser Richard Hall tested 14 times higher then Roy did for the same product.

Roy should have quit after the Ruiz fight instead of tearing down muscle to make 175 at his age. Ego won the day just like it continues to do. I may rank fighters higher then him on weight lists but that's cause he never stayed long but even at those weights like 160 and 168 I dont see anyone in history beating him in his prime. Not many could match him at 175 either except maybe Langford or Charles.

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Originally Posted by imp

I loved roy jones in his prime.

We all know what happened after the first tarver fight but what was it that changed roy jones after that moment.

He achieved glory by beating ruiz and being the heavyweight champ THEN dropping weight (or muscle) and beating tarver for the LH belt.

These are my questions:-

1. How would you have remembered roy if he retired after the first tarver fight?
*Probably the greatest ever... BUT, Tarver knew something. Tarver had Jones number. every real boxing expert will tell u.."there's always someone with ur number"...and he might not even be the best...but for some reason, he can give u trouble...Tarver was Roy Jones Achilles. if those guys fought 10 times, Tarver prob wins 6.
2. Was it the muscle loss that ended roys reign at the top?
*EVERYONE has an opinion... mine is "he was on steroids and now he isn't" not only do i think that, he was implicated in BALCO, but it couldn't be proved. not only that, he pee'ed hot in one fight for sure...but nothing was ever made of it... AND not only that, there was a lady who was all over this steroid scandal and predicted Mosely and Jones would look like shit in their next fight...and they both lost...true story. LASTLY ON THE SUBJECT...Jones owns fighting chicken... he's deep into this shit... i even know a guy who's fought against his roosters... and guess what, they're on steroids too, as most fighting Roosters are.

3. Was it the fact roy achieved everything he had too after the first tarver win and lost focus?
if Roy achieved everything, then why is he still fighting?

4. Was it tarvers awkward southpaw style that ended roys reign?
*i think Tarver could've been an all time great... the guy was that talented, that charamatic... he's still great and could poss win a title now... BUT, I've always thought he had his fingers i too many pie's to be great... still, he had an awesome career.

Just give me feedback on your honest review on this period in roys career and your opinion on everything we see now that roy is doing.
*U asked me..that's my opinion on Jones...

Cheers

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Originally Posted by ross

He was caught with something ilegal that was an ingredient of a sports suppliment.

Wouldnt it be easy though to find a sports suppliment that has whatever cheaty drug you want to take and use that as an excuse after being found cheating?

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It was ripped fuel and its not a steroid. It was purchased over the counter at drug stores and he was only accused of using it once and it was in the Richard Hall fight. Of course the story spun out of control at the time because his accuser Richard Hall tested 14 times higher then Roy did for the same product.

Roy should have quit after the Ruiz fight instead of tearing down muscle to make 175 at his age. Ego won the day just like it continues to do. I may rank fighters higher then him on weight lists but that's cause he never stayed long but even at those weights like 160 and 168 I dont see anyone in history beating him in his prime. Not many could match him at 175 either except maybe Langford or Charles.

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Or Spinks or Foster

... Jones came out HOT for anabolic steroids...PERIOD... he was associated with victor conte, as well as Mosely..but was never implicated.. it was predicted that his downfall would be when it was...becuz they started keeping an eye on him... all this is TRUE. What u see is the real jones...
punches no harder than a regular fighter and can't take a punch... on steroids, he breathed on fighters and they went down... u Jones fans ..lol...

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Originally Posted by bigstinkybug

... Jones came out HOT for anabolic steroids...PERIOD... he was associated with victor conte, as well as Mosely..but was never implicated.. it was predicted that his downfall would be when it was...becuz they started keeping an eye on him... all this is TRUE. What u see is the real jones...
punches no harder than a regular fighter and can't take a punch... on steroids, he breathed on fighters and they went down... u Jones fans ..lol...

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I did not know steroids allowed you take a punch better

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Originally Posted by imp

I loved roy jones in his prime.

We all know what happened after the first tarver fight but what was it that changed roy jones after that moment.

He achieved glory by beating ruiz and being the heavyweight champ THEN dropping weight (or muscle) and beating tarver for the LH belt.

These are my questions:-

1. How would you have remembered roy if he retired after the first tarver fight?
*Probably the greatest ever... BUT, Tarver knew something. Tarver had Jones number. every real boxing expert will tell u.."there's always someone with ur number"...and he might not even be the best...but for some reason, he can give u trouble...Tarver was Roy Jones Achilles. if those guys fought 10 times, Tarver prob wins 6.
2. Was it the muscle loss that ended roys reign at the top?
*EVERYONE has an opinion... mine is "he was on steroids and now he isn't" not only do i think that, he was implicated in BALCO, but it couldn't be proved. not only that, he pee'ed hot in one fight for sure...but nothing was ever made of it... AND not only that, there was a lady who was all over this steroid scandal and predicted Mosely and Jones would look like shit in their next fight...and they both lost...true story. LASTLY ON THE SUBJECT...Jones owns fighting chicken... he's deep into this shit... i even know a guy who's fought against his roosters... and guess what, they're on steroids too, as most fighting Roosters are.

3. Was it the fact roy achieved everything he had too after the first tarver win and lost focus?
if Roy achieved everything, then why is he still fighting?

4. Was it tarvers awkward southpaw style that ended roys reign?
*i think Tarver could've been an all time great... the guy was that talented, that charamatic... he's still great and could poss win a title now... BUT, I've always thought he had his fingers i too many pie's to be great... still, he had an awesome career.

Just give me feedback on your honest review on this period in roys career and your opinion on everything we see now that roy is doing.
*U asked me..that's my opinion on Jones...

Cheers

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Cool.

I like tarvers talk as a commentator but dont like his fighting style.

I think that tarver, as well as age, and as well as the muscle loss was the combination of roys downward spiral.

If it was another clinton woods after ruiz i dont think roy would have had that much of a problem so tarver did have something on Roy but there were other factors imho.

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... Jones came out HOT for anabolic steroids...PERIOD... he was associated with victor conte, as well as Mosely..but was never implicated.. it was predicted that his downfall would be when it was...becuz they started keeping an eye on him... all this is TRUE. What u see is the real jones...
punches no harder than a regular fighter and can't take a punch... on steroids, he breathed on fighters and they went down... u Jones fans ..lol...

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I did not know steroids allowed you take a punch better

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*well it does..and u herd it here first. anyone that say it doesn't if full of shit. boxers on steroids look like machines..unstoppable machines. just cuz it can't be proved doesn't mean it doesn't happen. if u want to keep believing JOnes wasn't on steroids..then fine... I know better. I know that u don't look unstoppable , ko'ing guys with ur hands behind ur back... then,all in a matter of 1 year, u have no power, ur a shadow of ur former self, u can't take a punch...even ko'ed in 1 round. I don't mean to challenge anyones boxing knowledge..BUT, u have to know something is going on, don't u?

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He was caught with something ilegal that was an ingredient of a sports suppliment.

Wouldnt it be easy though to find a sports suppliment that has whatever cheaty drug you want to take and use that as an excuse after being found cheating?

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It was ripped fuel and its not a steroid. It was purchased over the counter at drug stores and he was only accused of using it once and it was in the Richard Hall fight. Of course the story spun out of control at the time because his accuser Richard Hall tested 14 times higher then Roy did for the same product.

Roy should have quit after the Ruiz fight instead of tearing down muscle to make 175 at his age. Ego won the day just like it continues to do. I may rank fighters higher then him on weight lists but that's cause he never stayed long but even at those weights like 160 and 168 I dont see anyone in history beating him in his prime. Not many could match him at 175 either except maybe Langford or Charles.

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Or Spinks or Foster

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Cant see Foster getting to him but Spinks would be a tricky fight for him and the later version of Hopkins who kind of has the same style as Michael or shares many qualities.

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Originally Posted by bigstinkybug

... Jones came out HOT for anabolic steroids...PERIOD... he was associated with victor conte, as well as Mosely..but was never implicated.. it was predicted that his downfall would be when it was...becuz they started keeping an eye on him... all this is TRUE. What u see is the real jones...
punches no harder than a regular fighter and can't take a punch... on steroids, he breathed on fighters and they went down... u Jones fans ..lol...

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Produce the evidence. It should be everywhere or STFU already.

On a side note good ole Victor used to play in Traffic. They came in pretty hot on stage sometimes and Victor on that Sax.....

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Originally Posted by bigstinkybug

... Jones came out HOT for anabolic steroids...PERIOD... he was associated with victor conte, as well as Mosely..but was never implicated.. it was predicted that his downfall would be when it was...becuz they started keeping an eye on him... all this is TRUE. What u see is the real jones...
punches no harder than a regular fighter and can't take a punch... on steroids, he breathed on fighters and they went down... u Jones fans ..lol...

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Produce the evidence. It should be everywhere or STFU already.

On a side note good ole Victor used to play in Traffic. They came in pretty hot on stage sometimes and Victor on that Sax.....

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*the evidence is right infront of ur face, fuck head.

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... Jones came out HOT for anabolic steroids...PERIOD... he was associated with victor conte, as well as Mosely..but was never implicated.. it was predicted that his downfall would be when it was...becuz they started keeping an eye on him... all this is TRUE. What u see is the real jones...
punches no harder than a regular fighter and can't take a punch... on steroids, he breathed on fighters and they went down... u Jones fans ..lol...

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Produce the evidence. It should be everywhere or STFU already.

On a side note good ole Victor used to play in Traffic. They came in pretty hot on stage sometimes and Victor on that Sax.....

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*the evidence is right infront of ur face, fuck head.

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That is not evidence you fucking tool. Now go away. This is a conversation involving adults not 12 year old rumor mongering girls.

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*the evidence is right infront of ur face, fuck head.[/COLOR]

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F*<k you, F*<k you, F*<k You ...in the A$$ !!!

Outside of the local gossip columnist there is no evidence that Roy Jones was a steroid abuser other then girly guilt by association haters. He did cheat though by using ripped fuel and it was buried under the rug. Even if he did do one cycle and it could be shown that does not mean he juiced his entire career. That is tin foil hat shit and the straps ought to be loosened.

Roy Jones played minor-league basketball the same day as making title-defenses, wonder if he f*<ked women earlier in the day before the title defenses too?
Probably ate them out for breakfast and f*<ked them in the morning before making the evening Title defense, Roy always struck me as a guy that like eatin' kwiff, whaddya think..

RE:"Roy jones jr...what exactly happened?"
Maybe that's what happened....

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Originally Posted by bigstinkybug

... Jones came out HOT for anabolic steroids...PERIOD... he was associated with victor conte, as well as Mosely..but was never implicated.. it was predicted that his downfall would be when it was...becuz they started keeping an eye on him... all this is TRUE. What u see is the real jones...
punches no harder than a regular fighter and can't take a punch... on steroids, he breathed on fighters and they went down... u Jones fans ..lol...

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Produce the evidence. It should be everywhere or STFU already.

On a side note good ole Victor used to play in Traffic. They came in pretty hot on stage sometimes and Victor on that Sax.....

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*the evidence is right infront of ur face, fuck head.

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That is not evidence you fucking tool. Now go away. This is a conversation involving adults not 12 year old rumor mongering girls.

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*12 yrs old?..mutha fuka, im an ex-fighter, golden glove champion and sparred with guys u've seen on TV... my knowledge is from being in the the ring, not the sidelines,like urself. shut up, u might learn something from me... kid.

Hopefully roy lets go off the cruiserweight dream and calls it a day.

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Originally Posted by bigstinkybug

... Jones came out HOT for anabolic steroids...PERIOD... he was associated with victor conte, as well as Mosely..but was never implicated.. it was predicted that his downfall would be when it was...becuz they started keeping an eye on him... all this is TRUE. What u see is the real jones...
punches no harder than a regular fighter and can't take a punch... on steroids, he breathed on fighters and they went down... u Jones fans ..lol...

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Produce the evidence. It should be everywhere or STFU already.

On a side note good ole Victor used to play in Traffic. They came in pretty hot on stage sometimes and Victor on that Sax.....

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*the evidence is right infront of ur face, fuck head.

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That is not evidence you fucking tool. Now go away. This is a conversation involving adults not 12 year old rumor mongering girls.

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*12 yrs old?..mutha fuka, im an ex-fighter, golden glove champion and sparred with guys u've seen on TV... my knowledge is from being in the the ring, not the sidelines,like urself. shut up, u might learn something from me... kid.

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Who did you fight during your career and how long have you been out of the game bigstinky?

Should have retired after the first Tarver fight... at best, after the third Tarver fight. To me, Tarver got a gift decision in the third fight.

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Should have retired after the first Tarver fight... at best, after the third Tarver fight. To me, Tarver got a gift decision in the third fight.

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Thought Roy had a classic round 5ish but lost the fight.

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Should have retired after the first Tarver fight... at best, after the third Tarver fight. To me, Tarver got a gift decision in the third fight.

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Thought Roy had a classic round 5ish but lost the fight.

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Roy lost the third fight without a doubt

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Should have retired after the first Tarver fight... at best, after the third Tarver fight. To me, Tarver got a gift decision in the third fight.

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Thought Roy had a classic round 5ish but lost the fight.

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Roy lost the third fight without a doubt

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Yes, in the 5th round only the old Roy Jones returned, but then just as quickly disappeared and the sad old gun shy shell of his former self returned.

The main reason is age! Every athlete has to face it at some point.

I can't wait to see him in MMA soon, Bellator or UFC, it doesn't matter!