Frank Bruno really outclassed Lennox Lewis - Lewis not in Top 10

Amazing showing there by Frank. Had only seen clips of round 2,4 and 6 before this. I think this shows how Lewis was only great when he fought smaller guys. Frank Bruno was his size, and Bruno beat him up for 6 rounds before getting careless there in the 7th was it. Also Bruno should have just taken a knee to recover from that uppercut. Lennox Lewis pulled it out and I give him credit for that, but you can see when a guy HIS SIZE with HIS REACH fights him and fights hard, he seriously is undermined, his jab was nil, he was getting double and triple jabbed by Bruno all night long, Bruno rocked him on 3 occasions with rights. Just before Lewis caught Bruno, Lewis had been seriously stunned by a nice left hook/uppercut type punch from Bruno. Amazing to see, I think Vitali had watched this fight well and saw the blue print how to beat Lewis.

Now having seen this fight and remembering Ray Mercer's awesome performance, and Vitali's, and putting in how Oliver and Hasim smoked him with single shots, I really have to take him out of my Top 10 HW Greats. He benefited largely as I have always said from his garganatuan size, and his unnatural reach. I place him at #12 All Time HW.

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I was there and yes it looked like Bruno was dominating from my nose bleed seat. But watching it on video later, the fight was close, Bruno was ahead, he was hardly 'outclassing' Lewis.

Lennox was a defeat waiting to happen and he was not with Steward yet and he was performing badly against Tucker and Bruno and eventually lost to McCall. After that defeat he built himself up and became a legend.

Bruno was at his peak in that fight he fought Carl Williams and some decent fighters before the title challenge and gave it his best effort. His stamina let him down as always.

Main thing i remembered was the ending.

Lewis seemed to be holding bruno head with one hand and taking shots at him.

exactly--Lewis KOed Michael Grant with a blatant hold and hit uppercut too. Rather dodgy ways to win.

Im sure Lennox will be crushed at this news ;D

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Originally Posted by imp

Main thing i remembered was the ending.

Lewis seemed to be holding bruno head with one hand and taking shots at him.

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Bruno was gone, Lewis was measuring him for the right, the ref could of arguable stopped it before that as Bruno was 'gone'.

What it does show is that Bruno did not have a soft chin. He may of lacked the instincts when hurt, and only got it right when Francis programmed it into him to hold when hurt, but his chin was sound.

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Originally Posted by imp

Main thing i remembered was the ending.

Lewis seemed to be holding bruno head with one hand and taking shots at him.

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Bruno was gone, Lewis was measuring him for the right, the ref could of arguable stopped it before that as Bruno was 'gone'.

What it does show is that Bruno did not have a soft chin. He may of lacked the instincts when hurt, and only got it right when Francis programmed it into him to hold when hurt, but his chin was sound.

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Looked brutal though.

That's Boxing though ain't it Brock. Personally I don't rate Marciano. Never have. Moore and Walcott were both past their best and they still put him on his arse. He had 40 odd fights against not great fighters before finally fighting for the title in his 43rd fight. Look at the records of a lot of the guys to face him. He stopped fighting at 32? and yet still most people have him in their top ten. Great heart but ATG? I am not so sure. I believe there are a heap of heavyweights who could have beaten him from different eras but that is just supposition and opinion on my part. It's what makes the fight game so great.

that is boxing, yep. Rocky shoulda fought 2 more times Ive always said he needed to smoke Floyd in '56 and 1 more guy maybe Nino Valdez or even Sonny Liston, but no doubt needed to retire by mid-'57 latest. There really wasnt nobody around at that time so you cant fault him, yes he got put on his ass twice, big shots too, but still smoked 'em a few rounds later. He was dwarfed by everybody, and Don Cockell was no pushover, outweighed Rocky by 30 pounds.

this is about Lennox.
@Memphis yes he will be crushed, he'll read it by this Saturday and I aint hangin around his part of London as he will hunt me down and hold my hed and throw an uppercut but he will need to get down on his knees as I am 166 cm. My cock I mean.

Lewis is top 10

Bruno is number 1

it was a lucky punch

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Originally Posted by erics44

Lewis is top 10

Bruno is number 1

it was a lucky punch

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Sometimes posts are of such genius, you can only quote them in a stunned awe...

Bruno came to fight and Lewis was lazy for long stretches of the fight. Lewis survived due to his power and his brains.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Bruno came to fight and Lewis was lazy for long stretches of the fight. Lewis survived due to his power and his brains.

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Lewis is just better.

Top 5 heavyweight of all time.

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Bruno came to fight and Lewis was lazy for long stretches of the fight. Lewis survived due to his power and his brains.

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Lewis is just better.

Top 5 heavyweight of all time.

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Yes but an "on his game" Lennox Lewis blasts Bruno out with EASE....the Lennox that actually fought Bruno was just seemingly happy to be there, he looked like he gave a 4 effort out of 10

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Bruno came to fight and Lewis was lazy for long stretches of the fight. Lewis survived due to his power and his brains.

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Lewis is just better.

Top 5 heavyweight of all time.

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Yes but an "on his game" Lennox Lewis blasts Bruno out with EASE....the Lennox that actually fought Bruno was just seemingly happy to be there, he looked like he gave a 4 effort out of 10

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Good to hear you say that and im glad your aware when lennox is on it he knocks out those (robot style) type of fighter with ease...

agreed but the way Bruno fought him was right on the money---kept his hands high and utterly nullified, de-balled Lewis' right. Also outjabbed Lewis is a startling way. If Bruno hadnt got so brave and pressed him into the corner and started that 25-punch rabbit idiocy pitter patter (I could never understand that shit personally) Lewis wouldnta got the chance to land that hook which started the KO. Top-of-his-game Lewis STILL struggles with the Bruno that came into the ring that night.

I agree that Bruno was ahead, but he was running out of gas and I think Lennox would have found a way to get him out of there even if he hadn't stopped him when he did. It looked to me like Lewis was visibly shocked at Brunos skill (as he was really known for being a somewhat sloppy boxer with huge power). Bruno was good that night, and he always gave it his all.

I also agree that Lewis was not the same fighter when he didn't have significant advantages in height and reach. He came up always being the bigger guy and learnt how to 'fight tall' really well, just like Wlad. He did struggle with Bruno for a while, and he definitely was in trouble against Vitali.

Since he retired, there has been. A lot of revisionist history written about Lennox (as usual when fighters leave the sport), but AT THE TIME I always thought Lewis was a magnificent athlete, with a great boxing brain ..... But that he wasn't really a fighter at heart and was also somewhat gun shy.

And I say that with no disrespect to the guy, he ended up being a very very good heavyweight champion indeed.

Lennox played him like a pro, let him fade and then closed in for the finish. Lennox Lewis top 5 for sure he's knocking out everyone - Frazier, Norton, Foreman, Clay - if you transported Lennox back to the '70s he would have fucked everyone up. He would have earned a shaver by knocking out Earnie Shavers in about 30 seconds.

Yes, now I see.

Before I wasn't 100% completely convinced that Frank was 'out-classing' Lennox.


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I also agree that Lewis was not the same fighter when he didn't have significant advantages in height and reach.

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Vitali - 6'7'' - stopped in round 6.

Michael Grant - 6'7'' 86" reach - KO'd in 2

Shannon Briggs - 6'5'' - KO'd in 5

Akinwande - 6'7'' 86" reach - dominated and DQed for holding like a f**

Tony Tucker - 6'5" - dropped twice, loses UD


The only guys to beat him were only 6'2''!

Lennox didn't give a fuck and would smash anyone regardless of size because he truly was the best around and nothing was gonna ever bring him down.

what you are failing to aknowledge is that Bruno was the best lb4lb fighter in history over 6 rounds

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Bruno came to fight and Lewis was lazy for long stretches of the fight. Lewis survived due to his power and his brains.

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Lewis is just better.

Top 5 heavyweight of all time.

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Yes but an "on his game" Lennox Lewis blasts Bruno out with EASE....the Lennox that actually fought Bruno was just seemingly happy to be there, he looked like he gave a 4 effort out of 10

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you know fuck all

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Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom

Yes, now I see.

Before I wasn't 100% completely convinced that Frank was 'out-classing' Lennox.


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Brock, it's obvious, Lewis had a particularly nasty chess problem to work out and couldn't concentrate on Bruno until it was solved. After he worked out a solution he got rid of Bruno double quick.
Seriously, I don't know if he should be in the Top 10, but I won't argue with anyone who says he should be. He beat everyone he faced, and avenged the two KO losses, which makes him the best of his era. It's hard to argue with success.

This was Lennox Lewis before he got together with Emanuel Steward. Lennox would have beaten Bruno with greater ease. That was the best Bruno version ever.

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I also agree that Lewis was not the same fighter when he didn't have significant advantages in height and reach.

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Vitali - 6'7'' - stopped in round 6.

Michael Grant - 6'7'' 86" reach - KO'd in 2

Shannon Briggs - 6'5'' - KO'd in 5

Akinwande - 6'7'' 86" reach - dominated and DQed for holding like a f**

Tony Tucker - 6'5" - dropped twice, loses UD


The only guys to beat him were only 6'2''!

Lennox didn't give a fuck and would smash anyone regardless of size because he truly was the best around and nothing was gonna ever bring him down.

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Looks great in black and white. Completely different if you acknowledge how the fights went down. But I will always love LL because nobody understood how good he was until he was gone so I made a killing on him. Suckers actually thought shot ass Tyson could beat him hahaha

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

Completely different if you acknowledge how the fights went down.

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The only thing that "went down" was Lennox's opponents!

Frank Bruno

"Honestly. I think Lennox could have taken me out anytime he wanted to. He
gave me too much space during the first 5-Rounds. I think his corner gave him the
incorrect 'Fight Plan' and told him to 'go slow' in our Championship Bout."
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"Exactly. As I was watching the bout, I was saying to myself, what the 'Fuck' is Lennox
taking it so slow for."

"I started to yell at the Television" > "Hit him Lennox so I can go to sleep".

"He must have heard me, because he blasted out that 'bloke' Bruno in a flash after that."

Catherine Bach

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I think Lewis was a very fortunate fighter to be honest. If ever there was a guy who was in the right place at the right time it was Lewis.

Holyfield and Tyson are the only serious names on his record and both were well past their best when he fought them. Tyson in particular was a fat and empty shell of the fighter he once was and lost two of his next three fights to journeymen. Lewis' win over Tyson is about as legitimate as Berbick's win over Ali.

I just don't see Lewis beating a peak Holyfield or Tyson. Any fighter who gets flattened by a single punch from a couple of average fighters like McCall and Rahman isn't getting through a fight with peak Tyson and I think peak Holyfield would have out worked him for a UD. It's also questionable whether he'd have beaten Riddick Bowe.

Lewis struggled badly with Bruno who was comfortably beaten by every top heavyweight he ever fought and he also struggled with Mercer who was quite comfortably beaten by a positively geriatric Holmes, who Tyson easily blew away many years earlier.

Who did Lewis beat that was anywhere near the top of their game? Absolutely no one really. He's lucky Vitali was cut so badly otherwise he'd probably have retired on the back of a knockout defeat as well.

I'll give him credit for essentially beating every guy he fought due to him avenging his losses, but he was a very well managed fighter as much as anything else.

lENNOX GOES BACK AND FORTH ON MY atg LIST

I currently have him at #7 after

Joe Louis
Larry Holmes
Mike Tyson
Evander Holyfield
Jack Johnson
Rocco Marcheggiano

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Frank Bruno

"Honestly. I think Lennox could have taken me out anytime he wanted to. He
gave me too much space during the first 5-Rounds. I think his corner gave him the
incorrect 'Fight Plan' and told him to 'go slow' in our Championship Bout."
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"Exactly. As I was watching the bout, I was saying to myself, what the 'Fuck' is Lennox
taking it so slow for."

"I started to yell at the Television" > "Hit him Lennox so I can go to sleep".

"He must have heard me, because he blasted out that 'bloke' Bruno in a flash after that."

Catherine Bach

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bruno was a very nice man, never said a bad word about anyone and this comment just shows the gentleman he is

lewis had a lot of good things to say about bruno after the fight

Wait a minute. Eric, forgive me if I've missed something, but do you seriously believe that Bill's quotes have one word of truth in them?

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Wait a minute. Eric, forgive me if I've missed something, but do you seriously believe that Bill's quotes have one word of truth in them?

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no youre right

bill talks shit

is he a drug adict?

I haven't a clue what he is , but he don't come from the same planet as we do.

Bruno had an issue, if he didn't get you early he generally didn't get you.

Sure he had a couple of late stoppages but from the start to the end of his career he barely got past 4 rounds.

This would have been part of his stamina issue and why he may have lacked the 12 round experience to keep energy for the championship rounds.

He only went the distance and won twice, a 10 rounder and a 12 rounder.

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Wait a minute. Eric, forgive me if I've missed something, but do you seriously believe that Bill's quotes have one word of truth in them?

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no you're wrong

bill talks the truth

he is a High Priest for God's SakeQUOTE]

Thank You my Son

I grant you, a 'weekend' with Jean Simmons.

'Enjoy'

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Ali, Louis, Lewis, Holmes, Holyfeild, Foreman, Tyson, Frazier, Liston, Wald is pretty much my top 10 and Wald will be higher i just need to see how his career ends. Lewis has like the best resume at the weight and avenged all his loses he had as well his size and resume pretty much says it all dude and thats all there is to it. All heavyweights have fights they look bad in and everyone can be finished when you get hit by a guy who ways 230 and can throw a punch HW division is a different type of animal compared to most.