Canelo Alvarez credentials?
What credentials does Alvarez have? I've been trying to understand the most logical way for Canelo to win this fight and I got a head ache!!! What boxing tactics does he have that can beat Floyd? And how can he carry what ever skills he has into the late round with stamina issues? I'm just trying to understand, is it really logical to think that he is gonna do a 360 and and become a fighter with stamina that really could outbox Mayweather? Or are we just gonna believe that Canelo is gonna go beast mode and KO Floyd? Cause I think Mayweather is gonna use that defense and stick and move and run the whole fight and win a lack luster performance. A performance where Canelo will win 3 rounds then he will get outboxed. I'd bet on that
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Alvarez is career is on an accelerated pace. He's about to face the number 1 fighter in the world. What fighter does that at 22 years old? None of the recent top fighters did that. Not Mayweather. Not Pacquiao. Not Cotto. Not De La Hoya. Not Jones. At that age they were either still working there way up fighting bums or just barely taking out the aging champ in there division. None of them were in a fight this big at such a young age
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I would like to see Canelo get through with some body shots that he has used to crumble a number of his opponents. That would certainly give him something to work on. Unfortunately I watched Canelos fight against Trout for the fourth time last night. Now Canelo did win the fight, the scores were ridiculous. It was a very close fight and Trout gave Canelo a lot of trouble. How much better is Floyd than Trout. Perhaps Canelo underwent some metamorphosis in training but the Canelo that fought Trout will not beat Floyd. I would still love to get this fight as strange things do happen and winning this fight would have such an impact on Canelo if he were to win he is going to go balls to the wall. Of course over forty fighters have done the same thing and the failed. Canelo imo has a better shot at winning than the last flock of Floyd's opponents. But we'll see how that works out.
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Aside from the Trout victory, which was a very good win, Alavarez does not have a deep resume.
He is a thinker in there and picks his punches.
He's not going to outthink Floyd.
I do think Alvarez has deceptive power and Mosley is not being 100% honest about Floyd's power being equal to Canelo's.
IF Alvarez can land a good clean shot on Mayweather, then maybe he can follow up and get the upset.
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Credentials?
Well, according to an unnamed source, Canelo allowed Mosley to live.
That's pretty damn impressive.
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This fight will go just like all of Floyd's other fights. Floyd will look at him for a couple of rounds and then start picking him apart, I don't see why he would change this pattern.
Canelo will be applying cautious aggression for the first round or so and then try to step it up from the third or so.
I think Floyd is as good as he will ever be, not everyone is a Floyd Mayweather but on the other hand not everyone is a Bernard Hopkins, so I see Floyd slowing a little every fight from now on. Floyd is an amazing fighter, athlete, with an amazing boxing IQ and is as dedicated a gym rat as you'll see. Did I say Floyd is amazing? but everyone has to deal with age, it could be this fight or a couple of fights from now.
Canelo's biggest chance is Nacho Beristain. If there is a fault in Floyd's boxing, Nacho is one who can see it.
I don't think Floyd has any faults in the ring, he is poised, always in position, doesn't make big mistakes and does not lose concentration.
Unless Nacho has something up his sleeve, it's going to be up to Floyd whether Floyd wins or not, in my opinion.
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This fight will go just like all of Floyd's other fights. Floyd will look at him for a couple of rounds and then start picking him apart, I don't see why he would change this pattern.
Canelo will be applying cautious aggression for the first round or so and then try to step it up from the third or so.
I think Floyd is as good as he will ever be, not everyone is a Floyd Mayweather but on the other hand not everyone is a Bernard Hopkins, so I see Floyd slowing a little every fight from now on. Floyd is an amazing fighter, athlete, with an amazing boxing IQ and is as dedicated a gym rat as you'll see. Did I say Floyd is amazing? but everyone has to deal with age, it could be this fight or a couple of fights from now.
Canelo's biggest chance is Nacho Beristain. If there is a fault in Floyd's boxing, Nacho is one who can see it.
I don't think Floyd has any faults in the ring, he is poised, always in position, doesn't make big mistakes and does not lose concentration.
Unless Nacho has something up his sleeve, it's going to be up to Floyd whether Floyd wins or not, in my opinion.
I'd be tempted to say that this is incorrect, and that very early in the fight, as Mayweather opts to adjust on the fly, he isn't operating at 100%.
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/121...yweather-o.gif
That is Canelos best and probably only shot at beating Floyd, catching him out very early and stopping him. How likely that is of happening though is very low IMO as Floyd will probably be super cautious for the first few roundsnot allowing Canelo to get close at all, and probably for the entire fight.
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This fight will go just like all of Floyd's other fights. Floyd will look at him for a couple of rounds and then start picking him apart, I don't see why he would change this pattern.
Canelo will be applying cautious aggression for the first round or so and then try to step it up from the third or so.
I think Floyd is as good as he will ever be, not everyone is a Floyd Mayweather but on the other hand not everyone is a Bernard Hopkins, so I see Floyd slowing a little every fight from now on. Floyd is an amazing fighter, athlete, with an amazing boxing IQ and is as dedicated a gym rat as you'll see. Did I say Floyd is amazing? but everyone has to deal with age, it could be this fight or a couple of fights from now.
Canelo's biggest chance is Nacho Beristain. If there is a fault in Floyd's boxing, Nacho is one who can see it.
I don't think Floyd has any faults in the ring, he is poised, always in position, doesn't make big mistakes and does not lose concentration.
Unless Nacho has something up his sleeve, it's going to be up to Floyd whether Floyd wins or not, in my opinion.
I'd be tempted to say that this is incorrect, and that very early in the fight, as Mayweather opts to adjust on the fly, he isn't operating at 100%.
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/121...yweather-o.gif
That is Canelos best and probably only shot at beating Floyd, catching him out very early and stopping him. How likely that is of happening though is very low IMO as Floyd will probably be super cautious for the first few roundsnot allowing Canelo to get close at all, and probably for the entire fight.
The 2nd right hand is the one that buckled him and hurt him more. Either way he wasn't caught due to lack of concentration. Mosley just set him up. A quick jab that got Mayweather's attention and than the followed up right that Floyd never saw coming
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alverez is fast, he has a good chin, he hits hard
he is also bigger than floyd
perhaps if he can be patient and take a reasonable amount of punishment and wait to land a/the big shots he can knock him out
i dont see it happening but i think he has a better chance of beating floyd than anyone in recent memory
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Canelo's best,and only great win, is over Trout. VD makes a good point though. He is only 22. It's crazy to think that he is fighting the best fighter in the world at 22. It's almost like Tyson. Even if he loses, he has 10 years of prime ahead of him. In fact, there's an argument he's not yet even in his prime?
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TheMacMagician
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beenKOed
This fight will go just like all of Floyd's other fights. Floyd will look at him for a couple of rounds and then start picking him apart, I don't see why he would change this pattern.
Canelo will be applying cautious aggression for the first round or so and then try to step it up from the third or so.
I think Floyd is as good as he will ever be, not everyone is a Floyd Mayweather but on the other hand not everyone is a Bernard Hopkins, so I see Floyd slowing a little every fight from now on. Floyd is an amazing fighter, athlete, with an amazing boxing IQ and is as dedicated a gym rat as you'll see. Did I say Floyd is amazing? but everyone has to deal with age, it could be this fight or a couple of fights from now.
Canelo's biggest chance is Nacho Beristain. If there is a fault in Floyd's boxing, Nacho is one who can see it.
I don't think Floyd has any faults in the ring, he is poised, always in position, doesn't make big mistakes and does not lose concentration.
Unless Nacho has something up his sleeve, it's going to be up to Floyd whether Floyd wins or not, in my opinion.
I'd be tempted to say that this is incorrect, and that very early in the fight, as Mayweather opts to adjust on the fly, he isn't operating at 100%.
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/121...yweather-o.gif
That is Canelos best and probably only shot at beating Floyd, catching him out very early and stopping him. How likely that is of happening though is very low IMO as Floyd will probably be super cautious for the first few rounds not allowing Canelo to get close at all, and probably for the entire fight.
The 2nd right hand is the one that buckled him and hurt him more. Either way he wasn't caught due to lack of concentration. Mosley just set him up. A quick jab that got Mayweather's attention and than the followed up right that Floyd never saw coming
Surely that has to be related to his concentration though, as he never got caught with that shot again. anyway, all my point demonstrates is that Mayweather isn't fully switched on to his opponent until he figures them out due to concentration or not and adjusts, which is normally a couple of rounds, 4 max...
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Violent Demise
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TheMacMagician
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beenKOed
This fight will go just like all of Floyd's other fights. Floyd will look at him for a couple of rounds and then start picking him apart, I don't see why he would change this pattern.
Canelo will be applying cautious aggression for the first round or so and then try to step it up from the third or so.
I think Floyd is as good as he will ever be, not everyone is a Floyd Mayweather but on the other hand not everyone is a Bernard Hopkins, so I see Floyd slowing a little every fight from now on. Floyd is an amazing fighter, athlete, with an amazing boxing IQ and is as dedicated a gym rat as you'll see. Did I say Floyd is amazing? but everyone has to deal with age, it could be this fight or a couple of fights from now.
Canelo's biggest chance is Nacho Beristain. If there is a fault in Floyd's boxing, Nacho is one who can see it.
I don't think Floyd has any faults in the ring, he is poised, always in position, doesn't make big mistakes and does not lose concentration.
Unless Nacho has something up his sleeve, it's going to be up to Floyd whether Floyd wins or not, in my opinion.
I'd be tempted to say that this is incorrect, and that very early in the fight, as Mayweather opts to adjust on the fly, he isn't operating at 100%.
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/121...yweather-o.gif
That is Canelos best and probably only shot at beating Floyd, catching him out very early and stopping him. How likely that is of happening though is very low IMO as Floyd will probably be super cautious for the first few rounds not allowing Canelo to get close at all, and probably for the entire fight.
The 2nd right hand is the one that buckled him and hurt him more. Either way he wasn't caught due to lack of concentration. Mosley just set him up. A quick jab that got Mayweather's attention and than the followed up right that Floyd never saw coming
Surely that has to be related to his concentration though, as he never got caught with that shot again. anyway, all my point demonstrates is that Mayweather isn't fully switched on to his opponent until he figures them out due to concentration or not and adjusts, which is normally a couple of rounds, 4 max...
It could. But it can also just simply be, Mosley threw a good one, two combination.
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I think he is going to drop Floyd with a body shot.
Floyd will still win.
Well yeah. Vegas is pretty much Floyd's backyard. The cards will go in his favor in a close fight
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Canelo's best,and only great win, is over Trout. VD makes a good point though. He is only 22. It's crazy to think that he is fighting the best fighter in the world at 22. It's almost like Tyson. Even if he loses, he has 10 years of prime ahead of him. In fact, there's an argument he's not yet even in his prime?
True.
But not everyones prime lasts that long.
Canelo might loose every fight after this and call it a day.
A loss this young might ruin or define him.
Floyd hasn't ruined a fighter in a long time, if ever though.
His prime might not be 10 years, but these days, many fighters fight well into their thirties, and not just Hopkins, but Calzaghe, Froch, Judah, even Malignaggi is pretty successful at 32. In any event, he has another 5-10 years of prime.
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Canelo has enough head movement to cause some trouble early. After that it's all money. 8-4 Mayweather.
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Violent Demise
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TheMacMagician
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TheMacMagician
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beenKOed
This fight will go just like all of Floyd's other fights. Floyd will look at him for a couple of rounds and then start picking him apart, I don't see why he would change this pattern.
Canelo will be applying cautious aggression for the first round or so and then try to step it up from the third or so.
I think Floyd is as good as he will ever be, not everyone is a Floyd Mayweather but on the other hand not everyone is a Bernard Hopkins, so I see Floyd slowing a little every fight from now on. Floyd is an amazing fighter, athlete, with an amazing boxing IQ and is as dedicated a gym rat as you'll see. Did I say Floyd is amazing? but everyone has to deal with age, it could be this fight or a couple of fights from now.
Canelo's biggest chance is Nacho Beristain. If there is a fault in Floyd's boxing, Nacho is one who can see it.
I don't think Floyd has any faults in the ring, he is poised, always in position, doesn't make big mistakes and does not lose concentration.
Unless Nacho has something up his sleeve, it's going to be up to Floyd whether Floyd wins or not, in my opinion.
I'd be tempted to say that this is incorrect, and that very early in the fight, as Mayweather opts to adjust on the fly, he isn't operating at 100%.
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/121...yweather-o.gif
That is Canelos best and probably only shot at beating Floyd, catching him out very early and stopping him. How likely that is of happening though is very low IMO as Floyd will probably be super cautious for the first few rounds not allowing Canelo to get close at all, and probably for the entire fight.
The 2nd right hand is the one that buckled him and hurt him more. Either way he wasn't caught due to lack of concentration. Mosley just set him up. A quick jab that got Mayweather's attention and than the followed up right that Floyd never saw coming
Surely that has to be related to his concentration though, as he never got caught with that shot again. anyway, all my point demonstrates is that Mayweather isn't fully switched on to his opponent until he figures them out due to concentration or not and adjusts, which is normally a couple of rounds, 4 max...
It could. But it can also just simply be, Mosley threw a good one, two combination.
It's a timing thing. It's absurd how good his timing is but evidently it must take a little while for Floyd to dial it in. Judah and even Ortiz showed that genuine hand speed early on is an actual obstacle for Floyd. He vowed to used more movement in the Cotto fight (presumably to offset this factor) but still ended up in a fair scrap.
I've always thought that patience but more-so persistence would be key against Floyd. If Canelo can insist on applying educated pressure regardless then it keeps him in the mix. Which is all he needs to be.
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Canelo's best,and only great win, is over Trout. VD makes a good point though. He is only 22. It's crazy to think that he is fighting the best fighter in the world at 22. It's almost like Tyson. Even if he loses, he has 10 years of prime ahead of him. In fact, there's an argument he's not yet even in his prime?
He could be a Vargas though.
I honestly don't think he's anywhere near as good as Vargas, but that's not fair to say yet as Fernando did peak so early. Most fighters who mature physically like that don't ever fight the big opponents before they burn out or lose focus etc, Vargas really was a tremendous young champion.
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Rantcatrat
Canelo's best,and only great win, is over Trout. VD makes a good point though. He is only 22. It's crazy to think that he is fighting the best fighter in the world at 22. It's almost like Tyson. Even if he loses, he has 10 years of prime ahead of him. In fact, there's an argument he's not yet even in his prime?
How do you think Trout would do against Floyd? Just curious.
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What credentials does Alvarez have? I've been trying to understand the most logical way for Canelo to win this fight and I got a head ache!!! What boxing tactics does he have that can beat Floyd? And how can he carry what ever skills he has into the late round with stamina issues? I'm just trying to understand, is it really logical to think that he is gonna do a 360 and and become a fighter with stamina that really could outbox Mayweather? Or are we just gonna believe that Canelo is gonna go beast mode and KO Floyd? Cause I think Mayweather is gonna use that defense and stick and move and run the whole fight and win a lack luster performance. A performance where Canelo will win 3 rounds then he will get outboxed. I'd bet on that
As this fight draws nearer my certainty on the outcome has changed quite a bit and its the same with the Garcia/Matthysse fight. People are starting to talk like Alvarez is some one dimensional plodder which is pretty much a crock. That kid can fight and is deceptively fast for a big guy.
Somebody else was in a very similar situation as Alvarez finds himself in and at the time was very much the underdog given little chance. Can you guess who these two might be by filling in the blanks?
Here is a bit of a blended version involving the original Ring report on the fight and a well used web site for stats.
______ was knocked down through the ropes in the eighth, being saved by the bell at the count of nine, after taking a right to the head and a left to the body. Referee _______ gave _______ five rounds including the last four. He gave _______ four and called one even. Two other judges gave the same scores. The much heavier ________ charged _______ at every opportunity with bull-like rushes and out pointed _______ by most accounts. ________ tried to outbox his shorter opponent but had a lot of trouble keeping him at bay.
This fight could share many of the above's qualities minus the Ref scoring and exit through the ropes.
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Rantcatrat
Canelo's best,and only great win, is over Trout. VD makes a good point though. He is only 22. It's crazy to think that he is fighting the best fighter in the world at 22. It's almost like Tyson. Even if he loses, he has 10 years of prime ahead of him. In fact, there's an argument he's not yet even in his prime?
True.
But not everyones prime lasts that long.
Canelo might loose every fight after this and call it a day.
A loss this young might ruin or define him.
Floyd hasn't ruined a fighter in a long time, if ever though.
His prime might not be 10 years, but these days, many fighters fight well into their thirties, and not just Hopkins, but Calzaghe, Froch, Judah, even Malignaggi is pretty successful at 32. In any event, he has another 5-10 years of prime.
it doesnt necessarily have to be a calzaghe lacy ruining, it could just be a defeat of any kind ends this elite fighter aura he has
if floyd beats him in every round without really giving him a hard beating where does he go from there?
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terrorsid
What credentials does Alvarez have? I've been trying to understand the most logical way for Canelo to win this fight and I got a head ache!!! What boxing tactics does he have that can beat Floyd? And how can he carry what ever skills he has into the late round with stamina issues? I'm just trying to understand, is it really logical to think that he is gonna do a 360 and and become a fighter with stamina that really could outbox Mayweather? Or are we just gonna believe that Canelo is gonna go beast mode and KO Floyd? Cause I think Mayweather is gonna use that defense and stick and move and run the whole fight and win a lack luster performance. A performance where Canelo will win 3 rounds then he will get outboxed. I'd bet on that
As this fight draws nearer my certainty on the outcome has changed quite a bit and its the same with the Garcia/Matthysse fight. People are starting to talk like Alvarez is some one dimensional plodder which is pretty much a crock. That kid can fight and is deceptively fast for a big guy.
Somebody else was in a very similar situation as Alvarez finds himself in and at the time was very much the underdog given little chance. Can you guess who these two might be by filling in the blanks?
Here is a bit of a blended version involving the original Ring report on the fight and a well used web site for stats.
______ was knocked down through the ropes in the eighth, being saved by the bell at the count of nine, after taking a right to the head and a left to the body. Referee _______ gave _______ five rounds including the last four. He gave _______ four and called one even. Two other judges gave the same scores. The much heavier ________ charged _______ at every opportunity with bull-like rushes and out pointed _______ by most accounts. ________ tried to outbox his shorter opponent but had a lot of trouble keeping him at bay.
This fight
could share many of the above's qualities minus the Ref scoring and exit through the ropes.
I don't think he is a slow plodder...but we have no idea how he will handle a brilliant mover and technician like Mayweather. Canelo's resume is thin. Trout is the biggest name on his win list (a washed up, gun shy Mosley is not). Trout is a good fighter...but no where near being a great one like Floyd. Add to that...their fight was in front of a 100% pro Alvarez crowd with a disgraceful scoring system in place (the ONLY way Trout would have won that fight was to KO Canelo)....and Alvarez still didn't exactly win resoundingly. Canelo is a very good young fighter...with the POTENTIAL to be a great one. But he is taking a huge step up not only in opposition...but also in regards to the stage. It will be an exciting fight and Floyd will be pushed. But i think Mayweather shows up BIG TIME for this one.
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Well yeah. Vegas is pretty much Floyd's backyard. The cards will go in his favor in a close fight
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
In light of the results of tonight's schooling and total outclassing of Canelo by Floyd.....
AND..... in light of how one judge had it 114-114.........
This has to come across as the stupidest statement in the history of any boxing forum.
