Marciano was much dirtier than Benn and should have been DQ'd against Don Cockell
Re: Marciano was much dirtier than Benn and should have been DQ'd against Don Cockell
Here is the legendary Randy Turpin as a middleweight stopping Cockell and then helping him back to his corner like a proper gentleman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-re82kbzNI
Re: Marciano was much dirtier than Benn and should have been DQ'd against Don Cockell
I agree Marciano was a dirty fighter , also he wasn't that heavy , im sure Lolenga Mock would have given him hell , he once floored Haye you know.?
think about it.
Re: Marciano was much dirtier than Benn and should have been DQ'd against Don Cockell
Sounds like a case of some modern, sissified limpd!<k using today's criteria to judge the way a sport was 60 years ago...
Re: Marciano was much dirtier than Benn and should have been DQ'd against Don Cockell
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Dark Lord Al
I agree Marciano was a dirty fighter , also he wasn't that heavy , im sure Lolenga Mock would have given him hell , he once floored Haye you know.?
think about it.
Lolenga Mock could deck Godzilla, Chuvalo and Oliver Mcall all on the same night. It would be a total mismatch, the UN and Human Rights watch would never let it go ahead.
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bradlee180
Sounds like a case of some modern, sissified limpd!<k using today's criteria to judge the way a sport was 60 years ago...
Yes I am sure that the article's writer Paul Thomas, A - Starr Boxing Reff for hundreds of fights and Judge who refereed the likes of well known softee Henry Cooper, would love to be described as modern or even sissified :-X
http://e2.365dm.com/12/02/660x350/Pa...20120216200401
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Oh, I thought it was Paul Thomas the former porn-star turned porn-director...
In any case, clearly this old former Boxing ref and judge Paul Thomas has gone a little soft in the pate, happens with age...
Probably has several controversial scoring jobs in his past across the pond...
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Y'know, that old fart tells on himself near the end of the article:
"A modern day referee, especially a British one, would almost certainly have disqualified Marciano and this is what referee Brown should have done."- Paul Thomas.
^That damn sure ain't impartiality coming from judge/ref paul thomas, he'll get no christmas card from me, by golly....
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bradlee180
Y'know, that old fart tells on himself near the end of the article:
"A modern day referee, especially a British one, would almost certainly have disqualified Marciano and this is what referee Brown should have done."- Paul Thomas.
^That damn sure ain't impartiality coming from judge/ref paul thomas, he'll get no christmas card from me, by golly....
There is no way that Marciano gets away with punching people on the hips, elbows, forearms, shoulders and biceps today regardless of where the ref is from.
Re: Marciano was much dirtier than Benn and should have been DQ'd against Don Cockell
american randy neumann reffed one of the dirtiest fights I've ever seen, miranda vs abraham, america-based miranda got away with it.
american bernard hopkins gets away with punching people on the hips, elbows, forearms, shoulders, biceps nowadays, in addition to a bunch of other tactics...
mike tyson throughout his career got away with it.
evander holyfield...
Re: Marciano was much dirtier than Benn and should have been DQ'd against Don Cockell
I think we may be taking this a bit too far. I have watched the Cockell fight about 20 times, and Marciano when he hit him behind the head and sent him through the ropes did not intentionally hit him behind the head, but if you watch Cockell was knocked off balance--the bloke was balleting around the ring the whole fight, off-balance and at times sort of hopping about on one leg or the other, and Marciano threw the right and Cockell was sort of spinning to his own right and the blow landed at the side/back of his head and sent him through the ropes. We cannot count that one as a dirty punch.
Now, hoever, I WILL say that Marciano hitting Cockell when he was down on 1 knee was total shit and 2 points should have been deducted. But we still see fighter today 60 years later throwing an extra punch when the guy is down on a knee. We still see it today boys, so how do you expect NOT to see it in 1955> Anyway 2 point deduction no doubt on that one. I agree.
Now as for the Rock punching the arms, hips, biceps of an opponent give me a break. Didnt George Foreman make a career out of throwing punches like that? Since when are punches to the arms and hips illegal? That is a paltry argument to make about Marciano. He rarely threw a low blow I might add except in the rematch with La Starza he was warned 3 or 4 times about it I agree, a point should could have well been taken there.
Main point I think is that arm-punch or hip-punch or whatever shot he was throwing, if we take a point or 2, and/or if he didnt throw that punch, he was knocking the shit out of whoever sooner or later anyway. Would NOT have effected the outcome of the fight in any way shape or form, dont try that line. Please. Fight may have lasted an extra round or 2 at most. Not condoning dirty fighters, I hate watching the Cockell fight for that reason, Marciano got away with some shit at times, just like Ali did, Lennox Lewis got away with A LOT of holding and hitting, roughing up tactics, low blows as well, and Lewis was a real pro (so was Homes) at using the thumb and also lacing the eyes.
Champs always get the slack cut.
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I remember this fight , the commentator on British TV is none other than Eamonn Andrews
( of This if your life fame ) and he does a blinding job , makes it so exciting.
" lefts and rights from Marciano , and Cockell sways again " classic
Don Cockell was KOED in 11 rounds by Randy Turpin before he fought Marciano. which was his last loss before facing Rocky.
Sorry by the way Beanz I hadn't noticed your piece on the Turpin fight :(
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here it is boys, May 16, 1955 - Round 1, 3, 6, 8 & 9 - Cockell was one tough SOB.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RcWezyJm38
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I didnt see much Marciano cheating here, I DID see dozens of bombs snapping back Cockell's head though. Man could he take a punch. Some of those double left hooks Rocky hit him with in the 8th round would have KOed a horse. Rock at 188 pounds, Cockell at 206 that is rather significant isnt it.
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Greenbeanz
Paul Thomas is one of the worst boxing judges ever.
His scores in Chambers-Dimitrenko, Huck-Arslan, Calzaghe-Reid, and M'Baye-Kotelnik II were not indicative of what actually happened in those fights.
Re: Marciano was much dirtier than Benn and should have been DQ'd against Don Cockell
Marciano was a fighter. undefeated heavyweight champ. He'd have been an even better fighter if the ring was half the size, or if each fighter had their ankles tied together
He battered poor Don all over the ring and was vastly the superior fighter.
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Marciano was a fighter. undefeated heavyweight champ. He'd have been an even better fighter if the ring was half the size, or if each fighter had their ankles tied together
He battered poor Don all over the ring and was vastly the superior fighter.
good points. yes he did and yes he was :)
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