Things I took away from tonight's fight.....

1. Canelo never belonged in the same ring with Floyd. He was schooled, exposed, humiliated, toyed with, and embarrassed.

2. Cotto gave Floyd a much better fight than Canelo ever did.

3. The judge that called the fight a draw should be suspended, ridiculed, tortured, and shot. Not necessarily in that order.

4. Canelo is the huge Mexican TV hype job everyone thought he was. Hyped up by TV, because of his "boyish good looks", and because they're looking for the next De La Hoya. Even Chavez Sr., who knows a bit about bloated records himself, was quoted as saying that Canelo is a hype job.

5. Butthurt Mexican fans will find all sorts of excuses as to why Canelo lost by such a huge margin. The sad truth is...... he should've never been there in the first place. Great marketing by all involved, including Floyd himself, who must be laughing all the way to the bank.

6. Garcia-Matthysse should've been the main event. It was at least 20 times better and more entertaining than watching Floyd taking Canelito to school.

isn't it time you left the Mexican - Puerto Rico thing alone and just judged on boxing alone you fucking idiot.

Isn't it time you stuck to being the forum clown and just fucked off.
Isn't it also time you stuck something long, pointy, and prickly up your own ass.

Isn't it time for Cotto vs Canelo? :D

Things I learned:

- no one of my generation is going to beat Floyd

- CJ Ross is without a doubt corrupt or inept

Scores were bullshit, Canelo one a single round on my card, and pretty much anyone else's

DLH is always gonna tout the challenger as Floyd's toughest fight as long as their signed to GBP

This was Floyd's easiest fight in a while, both Guerrero and Cotto made him work more than Canelo was able to

Canelo should try to pick up the pieces at 154 and look to fight someoone like Molina, Angulo, Kirkland (if he ever re-appears), maybe Cotto, but IMO Lara schools him just as bad and Trout would win the rematch, there are still fights for him to be made and in his defense at least was willing to fight the best while still having other lucrative options available unlike the silver spoon one Chavez Jr, who only finally decided to take on Martinez once he saw that he had faded a bit and had no one else to take on in the division, the fact that he's facing Vera on at 160 in their next fight instead of fighting a decent opponent at 168 shows that he's gonna go back to his cherry picker ways

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1. Canelo never belonged in the same ring with Floyd. He was schooled, exposed, humiliated, toyed with, and embarrassed.

2. Cotto gave Floyd a much better fight than Canelo ever did.

3. The judge that called the fight a draw should be suspended, ridiculed, tortured, and shot. Not necessarily in that order.

4. Canelo is the huge Mexican TV hype job everyone thought he was. Hyped up by TV, because of his "boyish good looks", and because they're looking for the next De La Hoya. Even Chavez Sr., who knows a bit about bloated records himself, was quoted as saying that Canelo is a hype job.

5. Butthurt Mexican fans will find all sorts of excuses as to why Canelo lost by such a huge margin. The sad truth is...... he should've never been there in the first place. Great marketing by all involved, including Floyd himself, who must be laughing all the way to the bank.

6. Garcia-Matthysse should've been the main event. It was at least 20 times better and more entertaining than watching Floyd taking Canelito to school.

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7. DLH and Mosley are always a way off in their predictions.

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1. Canelo never belonged in the same ring with Floyd. He was schooled, exposed, humiliated, toyed with, and embarrassed.

2. Cotto gave Floyd a much better fight than Canelo ever did.

3. The judge that called the fight a draw should be suspended, ridiculed, tortured, and shot. Not necessarily in that order.

4. Canelo is the huge Mexican TV hype job everyone thought he was. Hyped up by TV, because of his "boyish good looks", and because they're looking for the next De La Hoya. Even Chavez Sr., who knows a bit about bloated records himself, was quoted as saying that Canelo is a hype job.

5. Butthurt Mexican fans will find all sorts of excuses as to why Canelo lost by such a huge margin. The sad truth is...... he should've never been there in the first place. Great marketing by all involved, including Floyd himself, who must be laughing all the way to the bank.

6. Garcia-Matthysse should've been the main event. It was at least 20 times better and more entertaining than watching Floyd taking Canelito to school.

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7. DLH and Mosley are always a way off in their predictions.

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So is Teddy Atlas who thought Canelo would beat him also.

I don't think losing to the greatest fighter of this generation (and one the best fighters of all time) when you're 23 and still learning constitutes being "exposed". Why are we ready to throw Canelo under the bus? He lost to Floyd Mayweather. Everyone Mayweather has ever fought has lost to Floyd Mayweather.

There's a lot of "moving parts" to Floyd's style, it's not as simple as the keyboard tacticians would like to think. It's not a matter of "ohh move forward and throw punches". I think it was unreasonable to expect Canelo to be able to solve that kind of puzzle at this stage in his career.

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it's not as simple as the keyboard tacticians would like to think.

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It was simple enough for a good try: watch Cotto and DLH and build upon it. What Gasnelo do? He started to box...

if Canelo wasn't ready after nearly 45 pro fights and nearly 10 yrs as a pro fighter, he never was going to be, despite the fact that he's only 23

people need to stop using that as an excuse, his age was one of his biggest advantages going into the fight so it's ridiculous that people are now trying to make it into a handicap, he also was bigger and 15 lbs heavier, so he had 3 major advantages going into the fight and well he just lost to the better man, IMO he was hyped more than the media but I'm not gonna go down the route of most people and say the kid was "exposed" there are plenty guys he can still fight and beat, and he can still move up and have a credible career, his defense has improved and his poise would help him out up in the higher weights with slower opponents

if he decides to move up to 160 (which IMO he shouldn't yet, there are still fights to be made at 154), he should take on Barker that would be a good fight

Floyd will not get beat.
There are no other great fighters around to challenge him.

How the hell are they going to sell his next fight. Unless he starts fighting two people at the same time the usually people who buy the ppv hoping to see floyd lose won't even bother. I think they will really struggle to sell his last 4 fights he looked too good last night.

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if Canelo wasn't ready after nearly 45 pro fights and nearly 10 yrs as a pro fighter, he never was going to be, despite the fact that he's only 23

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What about any of Canelo's 45 opponents would even come close to preparing him for a Floyd Mayweather? Floyd has been a world champion and fighting world class guys since '98. 15 years, compared to Canelo's 2 years as a champ. And really, Austin Trout is looked at as the only legit 154lb threat he's fought.

He did all he could. He just didn't have the knowledge on how to crack Floyd, which is nothing to be ashamed of because a lot of great guys have tried and failed.

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Isn't it time you stuck to being the forum clown and just fucked off.
Isn't it also time you stuck something long, pointy, and prickly up your own ass.

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stick to being the forum clown is one thing , but if I also fucked off , I wouldn't be sticking to being the forum clown would I .
thank you for the compliment about my comedy genius.
again thank you

Floyd v anyone who is not a middleweight is not an interesting fight at the moment.

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I don't think losing to the greatest fighter of this generation (and one the best fighters of all time) when you're 23 and still learning constitutes being "exposed". Why are we ready to throw Canelo under the bus? He lost to Floyd Mayweather. Everyone Mayweather has ever fought has lost to Floyd Mayweather.

There's a lot of "moving parts" to Floyd's style, it's not as simple as the keyboard tacticians would like to think. It's not a matter of "ohh move forward and throw punches". I think it was unreasonable to expect Canelo to be able to solve that kind of puzzle at this stage in his career.

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He shouldn't have been there in the first place.
That much is clear.

Jay Nady, who I thought was a decent referee, was terrible last night. I can't remember when a referee tried harder to influence the outcome of a fight. In my opinion, he lost the fight for Ishe Smith, due to backlash against his constant harping about Molina's every move. I hope Nady will look at a replay because he does have a great Marine salute, plus I don't want to believe he is corrupt.

Canelo and his people were smart to turn down a fight with Floyd when he was 19, he wasn't ready then and he was not ready last night. Floyd has not slowed down at all. Almost everything they say about Floyd's ability as a fighter is true. Canelo is honest, he only offered one excuse and it was the truth.

Adrien Broner pisses me off faster than anyone. He reminds me of a clown who is not funny, every time he opens his mouth I grind my teeth.

Danny Garcia is the man, with a chin to match. Wow! That was a terrific fight and great performance by both fighters. Lucas Matthysse has nothing to be ashamed of, his chin is rock solid too. Danny's chin, hand speed, combinations and positioning were the deciding factors in the fight.

I didn't learn this last night but I'd like to give my opinion anyway, the Card girls don't get enough attention and they allow too many people in the ring, which makes the Card girls harder to see.

It being the US, the judging was was a combination of good, bad and very ugly. Nothing new learned there either.

Floyd is not worth the money he is paid.
Floyd will not knock out anyone who has not got his hands up.

It was a good learning thing for Alvarez. I think he becomes a better fighter because of it.
I'm not sure why they tried to box with Floyd but that seemed to be the plan.
The kid has a bright future regardless of last night.
He got beat by the best fighter on the planet. No shame in that.

I don't know why everyone is saying this fight was a blowout. Remember, it was a split decision.:o

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I don't know why everyone is saying this fight was a blowout. Remember, it was a split decision.:o

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It was an MD because some post menopausal dim wit scored it 114/114. The 117/111 and 116/112 were in touch with reality.

yeah, I was just making an unfunny joke

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yeah, I was just making an unfunny joke

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Lol we need a sarcasm icon because I realized that after I responded.

Cheers

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isn't it time you left the Mexican - Puerto Rico thing alone and just judged on boxing alone you fucking idiot.

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You poor guy, if you let that comment bother you then you must be either Mexican or weak minded or both, which is it.


Don't feel to bad, Alvarez needed a boxing lesson and he certainly got it, (EASY WORK FOR FLOYD) who knows he may even be better for it, I kinda doubt it though. He better stay at Jr Middle though, if he moves up they better give him some powder puffs before he steps in against a real fighter and gets stomped again.


Floyd Sr said Alvarez would be like a sparring partner, he was right. Alvarez sparring partners are getting knocked out and hurt in training, who the hell was he sparring against. Floyd isn't a f*cking sparring partner, he's a f*cking fighter, believe it now.

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isn't it time you left the Mexican - Puerto Rico thing alone and just judged on boxing alone you fucking idiot.

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You poor guy, if you let that comment bother you then you must be either Mexican or weak minded or both, which is it.


Don't feel to bad, Alvarez needed a boxing lesson and he certainly got it, (EASY WORK FOR FLOYD) who knows he may even be better for it, I kinda doubt it though. He better stay at Jr Middle though, if he moves up they better give him some powder puffs before he steps in against a real fighter and gets stomped again.


Floyd Sr said Alvarez would be like a sparring partner, he was right. Alvarez sparring partners are getting knocked out and hurt in training, who the hell was he sparring against. Floyd isn't a f*cking sparring partner, he's a f*cking fighter, believe it now.

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Do you know what taking things out of context means? And here you go shitting on Alvarez. If you are going to do that then quit making such a big deal over a win that was a forgone conclusion. Al does not need me defending him but his initial remarks are based on what I gather to be a long running feud on this forum. If you cant say anything constructive outside of personal attacks then dont say anything. And you tossing Alvarez under the bus because he lost one fight to the best fighter in the world says more then I ever could.

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isn't it time you left the Mexican - Puerto Rico thing alone and just judged on boxing alone you fucking idiot.

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You poor guy, if you let that comment bother you then you must be either Mexican or weak minded or both, which is it.


Don't feel to bad, Alvarez needed a boxing lesson and he certainly got it, (EASY WORK FOR FLOYD) who knows he may even be better for it, I kinda doubt it though. He better stay at Jr Middle though, if he moves up they better give him some powder puffs before he steps in against a real fighter and gets stomped again.


Floyd Sr said Alvarez would be like a sparring partner, he was right. Alvarez sparring partners are getting knocked out and hurt in training, who the hell was he sparring against. Floyd isn't a f*cking sparring partner, he's a f*cking fighter, believe it now.

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Do you know what taking things out of context means? And here you go shitting on Alvarez. If you are going to do that then quit making such a big deal over a win that was a forgone conclusion. Al does not need me defending him but his initial remarks are based on what I gather to be a long running feud on this forum. If you cant say anything constructive outside of personal attacks then dont say anything. And you tossing Alvarez under the bus because he lost one fight to the best fighter in the world says more then I ever could.

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Then why you speaking for him, mind your business and don't speak for others. Just for your information, I threw Alvarez under the bus long before he was beat. Do you think the first post had any racial hatred in it. I certainly don't, a Mexican fan is just that and I'm sure their coming up with excuses and I'm sure they're hurting because Alvarez lost.


Maybe he should have left butt hurt out of it, who am I to say though.

This is why they fight the fights, to take away the speculation and stick to real world. I'm not going to say he didn't "belong" in the ring with Floyd or that him being stripped down to the frame in the biggest fight of his life makes him an talentless case. I can't stand Floyd at all, and I do think Canelo has benefited from close ties and early padding, but getting shut down and outclassed by arguably the best to come along in a generation..jesus I cannot believe I'm saying that :-X ...is not a career death sentence. I did think Canelo and camp HAD to have something up their sleeve and method to the madness after the Trout fight knowing he was going into Mayweather. Trout is a swap meet Double AA ball version of a Mayweather-ish style and it was insane and a waste not to kick in the door and practice an attack rather than think he could turn defense wiz and box with Floyd. THAT blew my f'n mind.

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I don't think losing to the greatest fighter of this generation (and one the best fighters of all time) when you're 23 and still learning constitutes being "exposed". Why are we ready to throw Canelo under the bus? He lost to Floyd Mayweather. Everyone Mayweather has ever fought has lost to Floyd Mayweather.

There's a lot of "moving parts" to Floyd's style, it's not as simple as the keyboard tacticians would like to think. It's not a matter of "ohh move forward and throw punches". I think it was unreasonable to expect Canelo to be able to solve that kind of puzzle at this stage in his career.

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He shouldn't have been there in the first place.
That much is clear.

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Who should have been there then? And don't say Martinez, who is both well on his way to being shot and fights two weight divisions above Mayweather.

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He shouldn't have been there in the first place.
That much is clear.

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In hindsight we can say that, sure. I didn't hear anybody calling it a gross mismatch beforehand, though.

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He shouldn't have been there in the first place.
That much is clear.

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In hindsight we can say that, sure. I didn't hear anybody calling it a gross mismatch beforehand, though.

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One of my if not my biggest pet peeves of modern day boxing. The speed in which people are written off.

Lose a fight and you are overrated. Pathetic. Drive through fucking boxing.

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He shouldn't have been there in the first place.
That much is clear.

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In hindsight we can say that, sure. I didn't hear anybody calling it a gross mismatch beforehand, though.

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One of my if not my biggest pet peeves of modern day boxing. The speed in which people are written off.

Lose a fight and you are overrated. Pathetic. Drive through fucking boxing.

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It is not just boxing. This is the philosophy of the modern world nowadays

The thing you seemed to most take away from last nights fight is a feeling of resentment. Not that Canelo proved him self as overrated but that he proved to be better than most, including you, had given him credit for. It seems to have irked you that Canelo, his team, and his fans have not had to come up with the excuses you predicted they would. He did not embarrass himself, he lost. He lost by a wide margin but he was not humiliated. It's prize fighting and whether you rate him or not, because of his huge fanbase he brought Floyd the biggest prize. For that reason alone he deserved his shot.

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He shouldn't have been there in the first place.
That much is clear.

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In hindsight we can say that, sure. I didn't hear anybody calling it a gross mismatch beforehand, though.

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One of my if not my biggest pet peeves of modern day boxing. The speed in which people are written off.

Lose a fight and you are overrated. Pathetic. Drive through fucking boxing.

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It is not just boxing. This is the philosophy of the modern world nowadays

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Good point. Still considering what this sport entails it should set itself apart from this plastic instant gratification world.

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He shouldn't have been there in the first place.
That much is clear.

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In hindsight we can say that, sure. I didn't hear anybody calling it a gross mismatch beforehand, though.

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One of my if not my biggest pet peeves of modern day boxing. The speed in which people are written off.

Lose a fight and you are overrated. Pathetic. Drive through fucking boxing.

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It is not just boxing. This is the philosophy of the modern world nowadays

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Good point. Still considering what this sport entails it should set itself apart from this plastic instant gratification world.

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I remember Roy Jones was expressing this thought, that boxing commentators always "beat" fighters, especially after they fail. They are labeled washed up / over the hill immediately

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I remember Roy Jones was expressing this thought, that boxing commentators always "beat" fighters, especially after they fail. They are labeled washed up / over the hill immediately

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Its much bigger then the bearded clams that are calling the fights. They are all paid for lackeys. Lucas loses the fight to Garcia and he is overrated. Its a crock of shit and the logic comes in the shape of a pretzel.

No kidding. Not to mention plenty of people on here had a pretty good handle on what Alvarez was bringing to the fight, and he didn't let anyone down. If Floyd hadn't fought him now Alvarez would've kept looking good and have people screaming that Mayweather was ducking him. The same people who will now say he " clearly shouldn't have been there".

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isn't it time you left the Mexican - Puerto Rico thing alone and just judged on boxing alone you fucking idiot.

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You poor guy, if you let that comment bother you then you must be either Mexican or weak minded or both, which is it.


Don't feel to bad, Alvarez needed a boxing lesson and he certainly got it, (EASY WORK FOR FLOYD) who knows he may even be better for it, I kinda doubt it though. He better stay at Jr Middle though, if he moves up they better give him some powder puffs before he steps in against a real fighter and gets stomped again.


Floyd Sr said Alvarez would be like a sparring partner, he was right. Alvarez sparring partners are getting knocked out and hurt in training, who the hell was he sparring against. Floyd isn't a f*cking sparring partner, he's a f*cking fighter, believe it now.

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Do you know what taking things out of context means? And here you go shitting on Alvarez. If you are going to do that then quit making such a big deal over a win that was a forgone conclusion. Al does not need me defending him but his initial remarks are based on what I gather to be a long running feud on this forum. If you cant say anything constructive outside of personal attacks then dont say anything. And you tossing Alvarez under the bus because he lost one fight to the best fighter in the world says more then I ever could.

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Not everyone rated Alvarez highly before the Floyd fight, @IamInuit. Many of us questioned his pedigree, and alluded to his being a hype job. You're smart enough to know that when the press decides to build someone up.... they do it. There's an article elsewhere in the forum which goes into detail about the hype job that was Canelo, leading up to the Mayweather fight. A guy unbeaten in 42 fights and.... who had he beaten?? Those who thought Canelo was deserving probably have little room to talk. But those of us who knew Canelo should not have been in the same ring with Mayweather should be allowed to crow just a little bit. In the end, the results speak for themselves. It was a shutout.

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The thing you seemed to most take away from last nights fight is a feeling of resentment. Not that Canelo proved him self as overrated but that he proved to be better than most, including you, had given him credit for.

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Ok Beanz... let's talk about that. How exactly did Canelo prove himself better than many, including me, had given him credit for? By getting shut out through 12 rounds? By never having Floyd in anything resembling trouble? By giving Floyd less of a competitive fight than anyone since JMM? How exactly?

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It seems to have irked you that Canelo, his team, and his fans have not had to come up with the excuses you predicted they would.

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His most vocal fan hasn't even shown up here yet. Of course he hasn't had to come up with excuses. Once he comes in here.... the excuses will flow like the Mississippi.

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It's prize fighting and whether you rate him or not, because of his huge fanbase he brought Floyd the biggest prize. For that reason alone he deserved his shot.

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And Floyd Mayweather agrees with you, and profusely thanks all of Canelo's fan base.... for making this easy payday possible. See..... that's the thing about boxing. You don't necessarily have to deserve the shot out of pure merit. You can get gifted a shot based on hype, size of fan base, and a whole bunch of other factors that have nothing to do with ring-earned merit.

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He shouldn't have been there in the first place.
That much is clear.

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In hindsight we can say that, sure. I didn't hear anybody calling it a gross mismatch beforehand, though.

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One of my if not my biggest pet peeves of modern day boxing. The speed in which people are written off.

Lose a fight and you are overrated. Pathetic. Drive through fucking boxing.

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That's a good point, and we are pretty shitty as fans.

We demand that an athlete take the biggest risk every time, even if it means smaller reward, and then me crucify people when they fail.

Canelo lost by a wide margin, but I say he is an impressive, strong young guy with serious skills, and I say he beats the shit out of anyone else at that weight.