There goes the Mayweather vs Alvarez hype...
Wladimir vs Povetkin will be the real "The One"
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There goes the Mayweather vs Alvarez hype...
Wladimir vs Povetkin will be the real "The One"
It will be just as one sided
Even more one sided
Don't be ridiculous Povetkin doesn't stand a chance and this fight has been held up by him for years
Povetkin is going to get beaten just as badly.
even worse cause Wlad will most likely get the stoppage win, and not just settle for the UDQuote:
Originally Posted by jon09
Yes, ex-USSR countries will school Yankees about real fighting Rocky 4 styleQuote:
Originally Posted by toe2toe
On paper it should be even more one sided in favour of Wladimir!
Wlad will win with ease, Povetkin has just delayed the inevitable but made more money by stringing it out this long.
Alvarez was competitive for the 1st 6 rds until Floyd took control in the 8th.
Povetkin won't be competitive at all.
The Heavyweight Champ will ALWAYS be the REAL "The One" in Boxing though.
King of the entire sport.
None of these light-in-the-@r$e, pound-for-pound, smaller guys can f*<k with the Heavyweight Champ of the World. The Heavyweight Champ is why weight-classes were invented.
No it won't. It'll be so one sided. Wladimir is leagues above Povetkin. He'll bust him up and Alexander will be brutally stopped.
That's hardly fair to say, Wlad makes Mayweather look like Mike Tyson as far as offensive output, he is far more cautious and timid. He stops everyone because he is bigger, hits really hard, and all of his opponents suck. It's not because he pushes for the KO or takes big risks, anything but. If Wlad ever fought anyone as good as Canelo he would lose, never mind settle for a UD.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleseven worse cause Wlad will most likely get the stoppage win, and not just settle for the UDQuote:
Originally Posted by jon09
wouldnt it be nice of provetkin could actually do something in the fight
theres no chance tho, he doesnt his hard enough even if he gets any success
That alone is hardly fair to say as you put it, because Haye was hyped up to be the rebirth of Mike Tyson, just as Canelo has been hyped up to be more of a JCC Jr than well the actual JCC Jr, Wlad has beaten up EVERYONE presented to him, he's beaten EVERY top 10 fighter and well done it with ease, he's not the one making the rankings, he can't help if he's far superior against everyone else, and fact of the matter is he breaks every one of his opponents down, even the ones not smaller than him for example the not so small Tony Thompson who sparked the hype job that was David Price, twiceQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingThat's hardly fair to say, Wlad makes Mayweather look like Mike Tyson as far as offensive output, he is far more cautious and timid. He stops everyone because he is bigger, hits really hard, and all of his opponents suck. It's not because he pushes for the KO or takes big risks, anything but. If Wlad ever fought anyone as good as Canelo he would lose, never mind settle for a UD.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleseven worse cause Wlad will most likely get the stoppage win, and not just settle for the UDQuote:
Originally Posted by jon09
and also on that same note lets not use side advantages as a factor while trying to build up Canelo and break down Wlad, because a perfect example of a man who knows how to use his size and well one who can't do a thing with it when it really counts
Welterweights are ALWAYS "better" than HW's, is the thing. Of course Wlad beats everyone and that's all he can do, but he is still very cautious, much moreso than Floyd is. On the size thing it goes both ways since Wlad will likely never meet a good fighter bigger than him, there is nobody he could fight who presents the same challenges that Alvarez does to a welterweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesThat alone is hardly fair to say as you put it, because Haye was hyped up to be the rebirth of Mike Tyson, just as Canelo has been hyped up to be more of a JCC Jr than well the actual JCC Jr, Wlad has beaten up EVERYONE presented to him, he's beaten EVERY top 10 fighter and well done it with ease, he's not the one making the rankings, he can't help if he's far superior against everyone else, and fact of the matter is he breaks every one of his opponents down, even the ones not smaller than him for example the not so small Tony Thompson who sparked the hype job that was David Price, twiceQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingThat's hardly fair to say, Wlad makes Mayweather look like Mike Tyson as far as offensive output, he is far more cautious and timid. He stops everyone because he is bigger, hits really hard, and all of his opponents suck. It's not because he pushes for the KO or takes big risks, anything but. If Wlad ever fought anyone as good as Canelo he would lose, never mind settle for a UD.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleseven worse cause Wlad will most likely get the stoppage win, and not just settle for the UDQuote:
Originally Posted by jon09
and also on that same note lets not use side advantages as a factor while trying to build up Canelo and break down Wlad, because a perfect example of a man who knows how to use his size and well one who can't do a thing with it when it really counts
Wlad and Mayweather are great fighters it's irresponsible and idiotic to belittle one at the expense of the other. And as for your post, that's bush league "Far more cautious and timid" eat a dick you "It's not because he pushes for the KO" oh he doesn't does he but he has how many KO's? Fuck off with your critiques you know fuck all....fuck all sir. Dumb cuntQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Wow Lyle, going for irony there? I know you're a big fan, but I didn't post anything that should have struck such a nerve. Wlad fights more cautiously than Floyd, do you actually disagree with that? Most good KO punchers don't push for the KO, it just happens because they throw great shots at the right time, I wasn't insulting the guy in saying that. Obviously you have some disturbing lust for the man, so I'll just ignore your posts on the matter. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWlad and Mayweather are great fighters it's irresponsible and idiotic to belittle one at the expense of the other. And as for your post, that's bush league "Far more cautious and timid" eat a dick you "It's not because he pushes for the KO" oh he doesn't does he but he has how many KO's? Fuck off with your critiques you know fuck all....fuck all sir. Dumb cuntQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
If I do eat a dick I'll make sure it looks like Wlads so I can film it and sell you the tape though;)
No I just get sick of the typical bullshit people believe they can pass off as "fact" about Wlad as he fights right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
"Wlad fights more cautiously than Floyd, do you actually disagree with that?" Yes I disagree with that. When was the last time we saw Wladimir get on his bike and avoid someone for an entire round? He simply doesn't do it. He does tie up as a strategy but it's a strategy it's not because he's "afraid to get punched" or is "timid"...where the fuck do you get off calling a guy who has KO'd 81% of the people he's beaten "timid"
"Wlad makes Mayweather look like Mike Tyson as far as offensive output" ...for a heavyweight Wladimir punches a right good amount, to not recognize that is ridiculous. Also comparing a guy who is a counter puncher with a guy who takes the fight to his opponent is mind bogglingly stupid thanks for bringing it up. Even if they were the same exact weight they would still be miles apart in the kind of fighters they are, as much as Wlad couldn't fight like Floyd, Floyd sure as fuck couldn't fight like Wlad.
"He stops everyone because he is bigger, hits really hard, and all of his opponents suck"
This quote right here is what irked me the most. you have zero clue about boxing if that is how you really feel. "Oh he's just bigger", "oh his opponents suck" that's typical ignorant talk from some idiot who sits back and WATCHES boxing and has never actually done it. If you don't see the skill wladimir has or the skill his opponents have (and yes they DO have skill) then plain and simple you're a "hater"
If I was to say ANYTHING remotely close to this about Floyd I'd never hear the end of it. I don't because I respect the skill Floyd has, it's undeniable he's been at the game for so long and done so well...but then you look at Wlad, he's put in his years, he's placed himself on top of the division when at times it looked like he was completely done for and he still gets no respect from a moron like you. Yeah you complain to me like I did you wrong by calling you out on your bullshit but your post was ignorant and you deserved what you got.
"I didn't post anything that should have struck such a nerve" you called the 2nd longest reigning heavyweight champion of all time "cautious" and "timid" and suggested the only reason he's champion is due to his size and that his competition sucked....yeah why should anyone take offense to that?
I told you I wasn't going to read your posts, so I'm glad you spent the time with all that. Lets just both think we are dumb cunts who should eat dicks alright, thats fine with me.
Yup. We all saw what happens to Wlad when he fights "live" guys- Sanders (when Sanders was priming); Brewster (when Brewster had the punch output of a Middleweight); and Sam Peter (who, even though Wlad beat him both times, had a crazy work rate for a Heavyweight before he got lazier and lazier as the years progressed).Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingThat's hardly fair to say, Wlad makes Mayweather look like Mike Tyson as far as offensive output, he is far more cautious and timid. He stops everyone because he is bigger, hits really hard, and all of his opponents suck. It's not because he pushes for the KO or takes big risks, anything but. If Wlad ever fought anyone as good as Canelo he would lose, never mind settle for a UD.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleseven worse cause Wlad will most likely get the stoppage win, and not just settle for the UDQuote:
Originally Posted by jon09
Povetkin is not a high punch output kinda guy. No one in the division, except for Arreola (who really could use some power power and keep up his training regimen in Arizona) AND Bryant Jennings throws the amount of punches in bunches that would cause Wlad problems.
I know we always hear about Deontay Wilder, but sadly we haven't seen much of his boxing skills because he's been sparking everyone. What if Wilder has a weak chin? What if Wilder can't last in a tough 10 rounds? What if he is the type that tires by the 6th and is easy pickings for someone who can throw combinations with effectiveness?
At least we know Arreola and Jennings (especially Jennings, who apparently can fight 20 rounds at the same pace I feel) can last a tough 12 rounder- and in some instances, pick up steam. Wilder hasn't shown us that yet.
So, yes- Wlad by a beatdown on Povetkin. Povetkin may quit on his stool like Ruslan Chagaev did. But by between the 8th and 10th rounds we will be able to see what's up with Povetkin.
you don't mean BETTER, you mean MORE ENTERTAINING, big difference, Wlad always uses his height and reach to maximize his advantage, Canelo had size and weight on Floyd and never was able to impose himself even when he had him on the ropes, both Klitschko's get ragged on way too much, especially Wlad, when both guys always fight what's available and don't do any cherry picking, not their fault that other fighters choose not to step up or that the division is crap, as stated before, Povetkin avoided a fight with Wlad as long as he could, now he's apparently gonna cash it in and take his lossQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingWelterweights are ALWAYS "better" than HW's, is the thing. Of course Wlad beats everyone and that's all he can do, but he is still very cautious, much moreso than Floyd is. On the size thing it goes both ways since Wlad will likely never meet a good fighter bigger than him, there is nobody he could fight who presents the same challenges that Alvarez does to a welterweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesThat alone is hardly fair to say as you put it, because Haye was hyped up to be the rebirth of Mike Tyson, just as Canelo has been hyped up to be more of a JCC Jr than well the actual JCC Jr, Wlad has beaten up EVERYONE presented to him, he's beaten EVERY top 10 fighter and well done it with ease, he's not the one making the rankings, he can't help if he's far superior against everyone else, and fact of the matter is he breaks every one of his opponents down, even the ones not smaller than him for example the not so small Tony Thompson who sparked the hype job that was David Price, twiceQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingThat's hardly fair to say, Wlad makes Mayweather look like Mike Tyson as far as offensive output, he is far more cautious and timid. He stops everyone because he is bigger, hits really hard, and all of his opponents suck. It's not because he pushes for the KO or takes big risks, anything but. If Wlad ever fought anyone as good as Canelo he would lose, never mind settle for a UD.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleseven worse cause Wlad will most likely get the stoppage win, and not just settle for the UDQuote:
Originally Posted by jon09
and also on that same note lets not use side advantages as a factor while trying to build up Canelo and break down Wlad, because a perfect example of a man who knows how to use his size and well one who can't do a thing with it when it really counts
No I actually do mean better. Big men can't possibly operate at the same level and pace, it's bio mechanics. Any solid welterweight will have skills that would be very rare for a HW to possess.
What Wlad is doing now is what folks blamed Roy Jones Jr. for doing for YEARS... lololol... the minute Roy started to please the boxing writers, it was the beginning of the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyou don't mean BETTER, you mean MORE ENTERTAINING, big difference, Wlad always uses his height and reach to maximize his advantage, Canelo had size and weight on Floyd and never was able to impose himself even when he had him on the ropes, both Klitschko's get ragged on way too much, especially Wlad, when both guys always fight what's available and don't do any cherry picking, not their fault that other fighters choose not to step up or that the division is crap, as stated before, Povetkin avoided a fight with Wlad as long as he could, now he's apparently gonna cash it in and take his lossQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingWelterweights are ALWAYS "better" than HW's, is the thing. Of course Wlad beats everyone and that's all he can do, but he is still very cautious, much moreso than Floyd is. On the size thing it goes both ways since Wlad will likely never meet a good fighter bigger than him, there is nobody he could fight who presents the same challenges that Alvarez does to a welterweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesThat alone is hardly fair to say as you put it, because Haye was hyped up to be the rebirth of Mike Tyson, just as Canelo has been hyped up to be more of a JCC Jr than well the actual JCC Jr, Wlad has beaten up EVERYONE presented to him, he's beaten EVERY top 10 fighter and well done it with ease, he's not the one making the rankings, he can't help if he's far superior against everyone else, and fact of the matter is he breaks every one of his opponents down, even the ones not smaller than him for example the not so small Tony Thompson who sparked the hype job that was David Price, twiceQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingThat's hardly fair to say, Wlad makes Mayweather look like Mike Tyson as far as offensive output, he is far more cautious and timid. He stops everyone because he is bigger, hits really hard, and all of his opponents suck. It's not because he pushes for the KO or takes big risks, anything but. If Wlad ever fought anyone as good as Canelo he would lose, never mind settle for a UD.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleseven worse cause Wlad will most likely get the stoppage win, and not just settle for the UDQuote:
Originally Posted by jon09
and also on that same note lets not use side advantages as a factor while trying to build up Canelo and break down Wlad, because a perfect example of a man who knows how to use his size and well one who can't do a thing with it when it really counts
Roy should have retired after the first Tarver fight. In fact, he should have had a rematch with Ruiz and then shitted off into championship glory!!!
;D
Brewster had the punch output of a middleweight.....No WLAD was the one throwing the punches in that fight not Brewster until about the 4th round. Also guys have tried and tried and tried to repeat what Sanders, Brewster, and Purrity did vs Wladimir and they couldn't not because they sucked as fighters but because Wlad learned and adapted.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
What are you on about "When Sanders was "priming" "....Sanders was a shot fighter when Wlad fought him, Wlad looked past him and paid the price. Sanders certainly wasn't "in his prime" he was at the tail end of his career, r.i.p.
Povetkin will be done by 6, he's not strong enough and too easy to hit.
the thing is, watching a wlad fight is boring and frustraiting and watching a mayweather fight isnt so muchQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongNo I just get sick of the typical bullshit people believe they can pass off as "fact" about Wlad as he fights right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
"Wlad fights more cautiously than Floyd, do you actually disagree with that?" Yes I disagree with that. When was the last time we saw Wladimir get on his bike and avoid someone for an entire round? He simply doesn't do it. He does tie up as a strategy but it's a strategy it's not because he's "afraid to get punched" or is "timid"...where the fuck do you get off calling a guy who has KO'd 81% of the people he's beaten "timid"
"Wlad makes Mayweather look like Mike Tyson as far as offensive output" ...for a heavyweight Wladimir punches a right good amount, to not recognize that is ridiculous. Also comparing a guy who is a counter puncher with a guy who takes the fight to his opponent is mind bogglingly stupid thanks for bringing it up. Even if they were the same exact weight they would still be miles apart in the kind of fighters they are, as much as Wlad couldn't fight like Floyd, Floyd sure as fuck couldn't fight like Wlad.
"He stops everyone because he is bigger, hits really hard, and all of his opponents suck"
This quote right here is what irked me the most. you have zero clue about boxing if that is how you really feel. "Oh he's just bigger", "oh his opponents suck" that's typical ignorant talk from some idiot who sits back and WATCHES boxing and has never actually done it. If you don't see the skill wladimir has or the skill his opponents have (and yes they DO have skill) then plain and simple you're a "hater"
If I was to say ANYTHING remotely close to this about Floyd I'd never hear the end of it. I don't because I respect the skill Floyd has, it's undeniable he's been at the game for so long and done so well...but then you look at Wlad, he's put in his years, he's placed himself on top of the division when at times it looked like he was completely done for and he still gets no respect from a moron like you. Yeah you complain to me like I did you wrong by calling you out on your bullshit but your post was ignorant and you deserved what you got.
"I didn't post anything that should have struck such a nerve" you called the 2nd longest reigning heavyweight champion of all time "cautious" and "timid" and suggested the only reason he's champion is due to his size and that his competition sucked....yeah why should anyone take offense to that?
why is that? i dont actually know, i cant put my finger on it, both are defensive and dont really go for the knockout
wlad is very boring and frustraiting outside the ring too which doesnt help
is the HW division crap because wlad is the best by miles and the rest are rubbish? i dont think so, i think its crap because the best fighter is boring and frustraiting inside and outside the ring
it also doesnt help that the klits make millions out of every fight and their opponents make next to nothing, mayweathers opponents get a nice pay packet
people call them role models, i call them charactorless control freaks
its good you support wlad, but i think the vast majority of people dont because of his boringness and frustraightingness inside and outside the ring
chisora had a good point, basicaly said we should all fight each other, make good fair purses until the klits fuck off
So we're to believe Eric, that Povetkin is making nothing fighting Wlad....hmmm that's odd I believe CAREER HIGH paydays have been had for many of Wlad's opponents but whatever you say man
Chisora makes £100 000 against Vitali and 5 times that against Haye :-\:confused:
yep i believe provetkin is doing alrightQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
but it cant be considered the norm
and wlad is still the most boring charactorless HW boxing champion in profesional boxing history
it would end up a bigger difference than thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
plus he isnt tied in to some stupid on going fighting chain, all of which the Klits make more money than chisora out of without even fighting, should he pull off an unlikely victory that is
chisora did better out of the whole thing by losing
what comes out of my arse on a sunday morning is more of a role model than the klits
We're talking about Wladimir but. Alright you go right on ahead with that, don't bother to consider that Dereck had lost 2 of 3 before that fight so it's not like HE was the one in demand, it was a stay busy fight for Vitali also had Chisora not shown well vs Vitali or not fought Vitali he wouldn't even have gotten the opportunity to fight Haye and make that money ALSO Chisora fucked himself out of money by slapping Vitali at the weigh-in he got fined $50,000 for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
I'm tired of having to justify GREAT fighters to frankly ignorant boxing fans. Oh Dereck Chisora was so hard done by, making a measley $100,000 Dereck Chisora: I snubbed £70,000 offer from boot sponsor for heavyweight title fight against Vitali Klitschko - Telegraph .....yeah it's just fucking devastating let me shed some tears for a guy who consistently fights AGAINST the progress of his own career.
Povetkin, a guy who has routinely backed away from a showdown vs Wlad is set to make around $6 million. But oh that is just horrible how will he feed his kids on $6 million?
are you tired of being a bellend?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWe're talking about Wladimir but. Alright you go right on ahead with that, don't bother to consider that Dereck had lost 2 of 3 before that fight so it's not like HE was the one in demand, it was a stay busy fight for Vitali also had Chisora not shown well vs Vitali or not fought Vitali he wouldn't even have gotten the opportunity to fight Haye and make that money ALSO Chisora fucked himself out of money by slapping Vitali at the weigh-in he got fined $50,000 for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
I'm tired of having to justify GREAT fighters to frankly ignorant boxing fans. Oh Dereck Chisora was so hard done by, making a measley $100,000 Dereck Chisora: I snubbed £70,000 offer from boot sponsor for heavyweight title fight against Vitali Klitschko - Telegraph .....yeah it's just fucking devastating let me shed some tears for a guy who consistently fights AGAINST the progress of his own career.
Povetkin, a guy who has routinely backed away from a showdown vs Wlad is set to make around $6 million. But oh that is just horrible how will he feed his kids on $6 million?
Povetkin, like Wlad, is only getting those millions because a Russian oligarch bought the fight for a ridiculous $23million. Klit promotions bid $7m for the fight. Good luck to both of them. But If Wlad doesn't KO him he's getting robbed. Fact.
I think people underestimate how big this fight is in Eastern Europe and Russia. Over 300 journalists turned up for the first press conference in Moscow which is on the same sort of level as Mayweather - CaneloQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I'm tired of your bullshit, that's what I'm tired ofQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Why are you two falling out over Wlad he is not worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongI'm tired of your bullshit, that's what I'm tired ofQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Ha, this is my favourite ever postQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterWhy are you two falling out over Wlad he is not worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongI'm tired of your bullshit, that's what I'm tired ofQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I think ive fallen out with lyle about wlad more times than ive fallen out with my wife
It's not a "falling out" it's you're an asshole, a habitual button pusher, and most damning of all a gingerQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44Ha, this is my favourite ever postQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterWhy are you two falling out over Wlad he is not worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongI'm tired of your bullshit, that's what I'm tired ofQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I think ive fallen out with lyle about wlad more times than ive fallen out with my wife
Lyle, you spend more time and energy posting about Wladimir than he does training for his fights, does that ever occur to you. His reign as champion will be eclipsed by your reign of posting about the Klitschkos on Saddoboxing.com, and only slightly more entertaining I might add. And your posts about him are really, REALLY fucking boring.
Oh I'm sorry I thought you had stopped reading my posts Mr. I'm not reading your posts man. Here's the deal chief, you pricks stop your inane bitching about the great champion and then I won't have to rebut you all the time...comprende?Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking