Someone tell me why when all other title holders have to face their mandatory challenges etc.
Is this right or wrong that he can do this ?
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Someone tell me why when all other title holders have to face their mandatory challenges etc.
Is this right or wrong that he can do this ?
who was his mandatory?
Money! Floyd doesn't give a shit about titles and has no problem vacating them. However the organisations do because they want a cut of the money he attracts.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
What's wrong with his opposition? He's fighting champions nearly every time out.
He went up in weight and fought the undisputed champ of the division, who is young and has about 20lbs on him. And he dominated him. If you're hand-picking younger, bigger champions, what's the problem with hand picking opponents?
Any fighter is "allowed" to, its just very few have the luxury of making money at the same time. Like SilkeyJoe said, the alphabet bodies wouldn't dream of stripping him when he is the highest earner in the sport, anyone he fights will guarantee more money for them than they'd get with anyone else holding their belt. What are some cases of mandatory challengers that he wouldn't fight anyways:confused:
"So why is Floyd allowed to hand pick his opponents? Fair..?"
That's like asking why HUMANS are allowed to be OMNIVORES and is it FAIR?
I've always considered a guy who did nothing but face mandatories was already hand picking his opponents.
finally, we have a fighter who is so well known, so talented and so dominating that he is bigger than, and has more credibility that the 'Alphabet Boys' who have presided over the division and decline of our great sport.
The general public know that Mayweather is 'the man', no matter what the crooked, grasping and venal so-called governing bodies say.
Brilliant and long may it continue.
Floyd has fought the best fighters around, with one notable exception. Free market economies state he can only continue to pick fights that the public will pay to see. The public are not stupid, so they will only pay for him to fight top class fighters.
This is how boxing used to be!
This is a retard thread!
He fights tough guys every time.
Funny that Canelo was "the best he could face" before the fight but now because he cake walked past Canelo it's "hand picked".
I haven't stated Canelo was the best out there because he isn't.
And Floyd chose to fight him, you miss the point and dont understand how boxing works do you?
Its a business first and a sport 2nd.
Bar Manny Pac , Canelo would have made him a bigger slice of the global ppv than anyone else. He's a mega star in Mexico.
We miss the point because there isn't one.
Really ANYBODY is allowed to hand pick opponents. There's nobody that holds a gun to your head telling you you have to fight someone (maybe thats the way it worked back when the mob controlled boxing though). Everyone has the right to say "yes" or "no" to a fight. If you're a champ and you refuse to fight your mandatory, you just drop the belt, which is nothing because belts mean nothing in this sport anymore.
It isn't a gun held at head situation, but it is handpicked and therefore bound to be criticised. Mayweather has picked and picked and waited or else timed his opponents at 140 and above. It is smaller men moving up, or unknown men, or men with almost double digit losses, or else as last weekend, a bigger man with a flimsy record who hasn't proven shit.
Mayweather is smoke and mirrors in terms of opposition and it isn't a crime to say as much. He is seemingly an impeccable boxer, so it is just a shame that he is so obsessed with the money and the 0, to ever put it completely on the line.
People then say, well what do you suggest? My answer to that is simple. I want to see him against someone with heart, with skills, with speed. Currently it is plodder after plodder and carefully, carefully chosen. Bradley, Pacquiao, or Golovkin at 154, are obvious fights to make.
Not a crime but it is pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Every time the guy does what he does the opponent either becomes sub par, he hand picked his opponents or the bar is raised. I swear he could beat the mythical Gegenees and he'd be accused of hand picking and expected to fight the Medusa blind folded.
It's true. Canelo was built on a diet of easy opposition and it isn't a crime to say as much. Then he was drawn to 152 and easily outpointed as he cannot fight a minute of any round.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterNot a crime but it is pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Now put Floyd in with the opponents I have suggested and see if the same would happen. Floyd won't fight them. Floyd won't be dictated to by anyone. He will pick his opponent and he will manipulate the sales.
It has been this way for years. To fight Floyd you need to pressure, have speed, and have output and none of these opponents have had that.
It is so childish, all these "it is not fair, it is not fair". Life is not fair
Who else is there for him to fight? There is a very sad shortage of quality boxers these days.
Life should be fair. Is there any reason why it should not be fair? Again, a horrid religious person justifying unfair treatment to anyone who disagrees with him. Like that hasn't been the century after century excuse for killing everyone who was different.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSemin
Apparently that kind of thinking is self righteous and will send me to hell. However, I couldn't care less about that, I care about what is right and I don't think this fight was meaningful. I have suggested opponents. Floyd should fight them. Bradley at 147, Pac at 147 or Golovkin at 154.
They are good fights that few would disagree with. No catchweights, just those fights at those weights.
I agree with you, but the sum of all experimental evidences over 5776 years suggests that by now life is far from being farQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfLife should be fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSemin
Please, pay attention on that fact that I say "suggests" not "proves"
Somehow Floyd deals with it, apparently you do not :)
Floyd deals with it because he is a manipulator and is happy ripping off people and telling lies. Much like your good book of faith. They deal with it as all God thankers do.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminI agree with you, but the sum of all experimental evidences over 5776 years suggests that by now life is far from being farQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfLife should be fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSemin
Please, pay attention on that fact that I say "suggests" not "proves"
Somehow Floyd deals with it, apparently you do not :)
Wait a minute, I know people like to bash faith but how the he'll did it enter into this thread.
The concept of "fair" is a figment of the imagination...
Miles, you realize you're about the only type of person "bound to criticize" the guys he has been fighting. Bradley at 147, you actually think thats a bigger challenge than Canelo was? I'm sure you wouldn't have personally made any mention of the fact Bradley was clobbered all over the ring by an average fighter last time out, if Floyd had signed to fight him instead, right? Or the fact that we last saw Pacquiao getting peeled off the canvas, what does that matter right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
You don't like Mayweather and that's fine, neither do I. But is it really so difficult to be objective about anything?
How is smashup allowed to be on saddo board with a question like this? :)
My main point was that guys like you are criticizing Floyd for being Floyd. Why should he be like you want him to be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Pro boxing is business. Now are no longer old days when pay cheks were not that high. At that time, pro boxing was like some advanced in skills, but regular, job. This is why I believe the overall quality was better. Now this business is done with different principles, Floyd shares his responsibility for that, no doubt, but he is definitely not the only one to be blamed.
To sum up, you want a change - go for the root of the problem, not attack the branches. Does this make sense?
i would think he'd agree to fight the Medusa blindfolded.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Floyd is an astute matchmaker, and picker of opponents whilst taking away their advantages (like getting the Alvarez fight made at catch weight) ..... But he is also a classically trained scholar, steeped in ancient history and Grecian mythology
As such, he would know that gazing in the face of the Medusa would turn him to stone, so the blindfold would be to his advantage
;D
But think of the unfair stipulations Floyd demands of every single opponent thus far, clearly his heart is already made of stone. Perhaps he would pull the wool over our eyes once again and fight Medusa without revealing his immunity to her gaze.
It would be a gentlemans gesture in an attempt to find common bonds with the Judges. If they can score blindfolded, why on Earth should he not be allowed to fight that way ???Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Just cannot agree with you, Sir, would you really call Cotto, Oscar, Mosley, Guerrero, Canelo, Marquez, Hatton or Judah plodders? Floyd may have made them look like they are plodders but every body else they fight thinks they're pretty damn good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I'm getting pissed, I don't even like Floyd but I find myself defending him because he makes everyone else look bad. Not really pissed, just a little irritated.
I used to hate Floyd.
I used to hate Hopkins.
I lament at times, the Gans or Robinsons of the world along with the likes of Archie Moore and Kid Azteca.
It's only through hindsight that I realize just how special those two men are in my time.
I dont have to like them. Its not even relevant.
There was no need for Floyd to fight Canelo at 152lb, he now looks a dick to ask for that when he would have won at the normal limit 154lb.
I'm not sure why this is such a sticking point as it would have not made any difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Dam Ray Leonard got away with getting Lalonde down to 168 to defend his 175 title and the new 168 title up for grabs at the same time.
No he did not, Dundee left him before Lalonde, he did not want to take part in this "sparring"Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitI'm not sure why this is such a sticking point as it would have not made any difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Dam Ray Leonard got away with getting Lalonde down to 168 to defend his 175 title and the new 168 title up for grabs at the same time.
No he did not what. Lalonde melted down to 168 from 175 to defend his title with Leonard. That is a fact. They also put the 168 title on the line to give it the appearance of legitimacy. That is also a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminNo he did not, Dundee left him before Lalonde, he did not want to take part in this "sparring"Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitI'm not sure why this is such a sticking point as it would have not made any difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Dam Ray Leonard got away with getting Lalonde down to 168 to defend his 175 title and the new 168 title up for grabs at the same time.
:vd: I can see why you are so devout, you have the deductive powers of a slug.
Just to reiterate. . Floyd does hand pick his opponents these days and is very cute on which weight they meet him at.
I think Khan would give him a real test and maybe the only fighter who beats him for speed.
Infact I think Khan poses the biggest threat to him ;-)
Khan would make it a fun fight to watch for a few rounds, that's it. He has no chance at all of actually winning. Floyd always pursues the highest possible payday, which may have not always correlated with the biggest threats but anyone would do the same.
That is simply not correct. Who did he hand pick and whats cute about the weight he meets them at? If you want to get technical Ray Robinson hand picked his opponents.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup