Who wins this matchup ay 140?
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Who wins this matchup ay 140?
Fuck!
I don't know?! Draw?
Tszue was more technically sound, I give him an edgeQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Shocking.. Can you give me an example of how Tszyu was more sound, technically?Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminTszue was more technically sound, I give him an edgeQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
I am currently working on that, I will come back hereQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaShocking.. Can you give me an example of how Tszyu was more sound, technically?Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminTszue was more technically sound, I give him an edgeQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Tszyu wins easy by knock out!
He is "more sweet", he read bible, Marquez is talented, but Tszyu was God-gifted.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaShocking.. Can you give me an example of how Tszyu was more sound, technically?Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminTszue was more technically sound, I give him an edgeQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
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What else is needed?
Tszyu smashes JMM around the ring with his bomb of a right hand. JMM survives to see the end of the fight on heart and determination.
This sort of thing makes me think of alot of different things and people around that weight in regards to who beat who and why as well. Unfair to decide on that though. I was thinking Hatton Jmm. Jmm Cotto. Floyds control of them all, in a comparison.
Kostya only got beat when a couple beat him at his own game and didnt get caught or timed with an unseen shot cause they were mentally like a rock and going to total war with him so every hit seen and expected.
Timing beats just gun speed for sure, Jmm had both and Kostya had more timing shifting into power :-\ .
Depends on who stayed the coolest and got smarter on the night as Jmm is evasively sound with instant counters so he could out point if he stayed level headed and kept moving, Id give it to KT in a last round stoppage though cause Jmm would at some stage want to bang it out too and that would take its toll.
I see this as pretty equal myself. Good post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
An injury free Tszyu from 1999-2001 smashes just about everybody at 140 including Pacman! He wouldn't catch Floyd, but the rest are made for him.
He KO's Marquez in 4 or batters him like Gonzalez by 10 (Marquez was easy to hit and although he survived 3 knockdowns in the first Pacquiao fight he would be lucky to survive one from Tszyu)
Same applies to Manny.
Floyd on the other hand counters Tszyu's greatest weapon, his ability to cut off the ring and land hard accurate accumulating punches.
Tszyu would lose a decision to Floyd at his peak.
I think we only saw glimpses of the best of Kostya Tszyu, we saw that from 1999-2001.
The Judah fight was telling in that Judah did all he could in the first round, he landed some good shots, but Tszyu was still there, he then went all cautious in the 2nd knowing he had already shown his cards and he didn't have a winning hand.
Tszyu was a stalker in the ring, brilliant at cutting off the ring and didn't waste punches, when he landed it had a debilitating effect... with fighters at times just trying to get to the end of the fight intact. More often than not they didn't, Marquez would not have made it to the end.
The near 2 year lay off affected him greatly and he was nullified by the younger Hatton, but those who under estimate Tszyu's abilities are making a mistake. I don't think Mosley or DLH underestimated him at all and both took a different path.
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Tszyu is overrated, just take a look at his resume. Tszyu is probably P4P #1 in mythical matchups but who has he beaten to be regarded this high..
Marquez would beat him to the punch everytime to a decision victory.
Tszyu was a good fighter. He was a favorite to watch. But I can't see him beating Marquez. He was to reliant on the right hand. Marquez would of had a field day countering. Another thing is Tszyu had to be in control to win. Especially when his opponent could take his power. He knew early on he wasn't stopping Ben Tackie or Oktay Urkal. But he was in control the whole fight and got the win. When he lost control against a fighter he couldn't stop he lost the fight. Hatton and Phillips fights are clear examples. He wouldn't be able to stop Marquez. And at some point in the fight he would lose control. And than the fight
I think Tszyu could time a right hand on Floyd’s chin and rock him enough for him to fight scared ensuring Kostya wins a decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
In all fairness, Marquez had already seen his best years (physically) by the time he started fighting at 140. That considered, I don't think you are going to hit Marquez with a whole bunch of right hand punches because he is smart and smart guys don't get hit with right hands. Tszyu used to get hit with them, but then he got smart and turned his body.
I think Marquez is more mobile, and I think he is smarter. I think that Tszyu has the better right hand, Marquez the better left. I think that Marquez would win, and I feel pretty good about that, though it wouldn't suprise me to see it go the other way.
This has been the problem with every fighter that has ever fought Floyd...landing one! I like Kostya and he is greatly under estimated on here, but i don't see him landing a big enough shot on Floyd who is the best defensive fighter i have ever seen. Marquez is made for KT, IMO it's a similar win to that of Gonzalez but Floyd has the ring savvy to avoid all of Kostya's big shots. The Tszyu from 1999-2001 was formidable, i just don't see him winning a decision against Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI think Tszyu could time a right hand on Floyd’s chin and rock him enough for him to fight scared ensuring Kostya wins a decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
As a Russain, my heart is with Kostya. I believe he had the talent to stand out comparably to Floyd or Manny. But, lets be fair, Kostya even at best conditions had little chances against Floyd, Floyd is in a different leagueQuote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MANThis has been the problem with every fighter that has ever fought Floyd...landing one! I like Kostya and he is greatly under estimated on here, but i don't see him landing a big enough shot on Floyd who is the best defensive fighter i have ever seen. Marquez is made for KT, IMO it's a similar win to that of Gonzalez but Floyd has the ring savvy to avoid all of Kostya's big shots. The Tszyu from 1999-2001 was formidable, i just don't see him winning a decision against Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI think Tszyu could time a right hand on Floyd’s chin and rock him enough for him to fight scared ensuring Kostya wins a decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Good points.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminAs a spineless idiot, my heart and soul are complete dogshit. I believe in Unicorns. But, lets be fair, I did lose a lot of oxygen at birth.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MANThis has been the problem with every fighter that has ever fought Floyd...landing one! I like Kostya and he is greatly under estimated on here, but i don't see him landing a big enough shot on Floyd who is the best defensive fighter i have ever seen. Marquez is made for KT, IMO it's a similar win to that of Gonzalez but Floyd has the ring savvy to avoid all of Kostya's big shots. The Tszyu from 1999-2001 was formidable, i just don't see him winning a decision against Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI think Tszyu could time a right hand on Floyd’s chin and rock him enough for him to fight scared ensuring Kostya wins a decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
you do not careQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
See above.
I believe that Hatton at 140lb, in Manchester with Paris as ref would have a very good chance of beating Floyd at 140lb.
Any room for CC Ross?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Maybe just a little. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminAny room from CC Ross?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
He isn't alone there.....Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminAs a Russain, my heart is with Kostya. I believe he had the talent to stand out comparably to Floyd or Manny. But, lets be fair, Kostya even at best conditions had little chances against Floyd, Floyd is in a different leagueQuote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MANThis has been the problem with every fighter that has ever fought Floyd...landing one! I like Kostya and he is greatly under estimated on here, but i don't see him landing a big enough shot on Floyd who is the best defensive fighter i have ever seen. Marquez is made for KT, IMO it's a similar win to that of Gonzalez but Floyd has the ring savvy to avoid all of Kostya's big shots. The Tszyu from 1999-2001 was formidable, i just don't see him winning a decision against Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI think Tszyu could time a right hand on Floyd’s chin and rock him enough for him to fight scared ensuring Kostya wins a decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
The @THE THIRD MAN has made a compelling case. More then that he has made me think back and realize the truth of what he says. Went back and revisited fights. The only thing I would take issue with is the seemingly eternal unjustifiable critique in general of the Hatton fight. His opinion carries a lot of weight with me because he's always been honest and realistic about his countrymen. Zu had cock stiff power. Had he dropped Marquez like Manny did I'm not sure Juan gets up. Zu was a great counter puncher which he is rarely given credit for. The difficulty here is that both fighters peaked at different weights. I dont think the 140 and above version of Marquez beats Zu. I dont think the prime Zu beats the prime 126/130 Marquez either. 135 both in there prime(if that could be arranged) is a coin toss.
Both first ballet Hofers.
I would only even give Tszyu a chance because you said '140'
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
At their best weights I see Tszyu taking the first 3 rounds with sharp right hands, before Marquez starts making him miss in rounds 4-6, then making him miss and countering hard in 7, 8 and 9, and then overwhelming him when he puts him on the back foot in 10, 11 and 12.
UD Marquez. At their best weights.
If this fight was at 140 then that is Kostya best weight, it was never JMM.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanThis.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
At their best weights I see Tszyu taking the first 3 rounds with sharp right hands, before Marquez starts making him miss in rounds 4-6, then making him miss and countering hard in 7, 8 and 9, and then overwhelming him when he puts him on the back foot in 10, 11 and 12.
UD Marquez. At their best weights.
Yeah I know. I'm saying that at 140lb Kostya has a chance, but that I see it going as I said above if it was a p4p deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIf this fight was at 140 then that is Kostya best weight, it was never JMM.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanThis.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
At their best weights I see Tszyu taking the first 3 rounds with sharp right hands, before Marquez starts making him miss in rounds 4-6, then making him miss and countering hard in 7, 8 and 9, and then overwhelming him when he puts him on the back foot in 10, 11 and 12.
UD Marquez. At their best weights.
Maybe p4p but JMM is no great welterweight or lightwelter.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanYeah I know. I'm saying that at 140lb Kostya has a chance, but that I see it going as I said above if it was a p4p deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIf this fight was at 140 then that is Kostya best weight, it was never JMM.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanThis.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
At their best weights I see Tszyu taking the first 3 rounds with sharp right hands, before Marquez starts making him miss in rounds 4-6, then making him miss and countering hard in 7, 8 and 9, and then overwhelming him when he puts him on the back foot in 10, 11 and 12.
UD Marquez. At their best weights.