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It was obviously the most money fight for bruno with tyson just coming out of prison and he obviously wanted to avenge his defeat...but couldnt he have just enjoyed the moment a bit more after the mccall win?
Bruno had alot of muscle and was very robotic and took alot of punishment..but how far do you think he would have went if he didnt fight tyson for the second time?
If he had not fought Tyson in 96, The Bomber would of been stripped of his alphabet title. Everyone wanted Tyson and Bruno got lucky...;)
Yep, whoever wan the title that night Bruno v McCall had to defend against Tyson.
Would have been interesting to see McCall v Tyson. He would have gone the distance and Mike would have got some rounds but seeing McCall in his fight with Bruno and the rematch with Lewis I doubt he wins.
He would have missed out on a huge payday and lost the title to somebody else.
Knowing Don King and his master plan, he'd arrange to have him stripped and give Tony Tucker his 101st undeserved title fight in a "rematch the public demands" :-X
Bruno did well for himself there. Earned his return payday and certainly didn't go out like a total wet noodle like Tyson's next challenge for a trinket.
One thing i took from that rematch was the uppercut from tyson that seemed to lift bruno from the floor.
What a machine than man was.
He wouldn't have gotten very far...
One loss or two doesn't mean quits for a fighter unless he's a quitter..
Kinda stiff for a fighter.
Well obviously Tyson would only have one win against Bruno if he hadn't rematched him .
He might have been able to fiddle a defence or two but the reality is he needed McCall to hand it to him on a silver platter. It wouldn't have taken much for someone to take it away again.
bruno was the best HW in history
Tyson just caught him in the right place at the right time on 2 occasions and turned out to be his bogey man, everybody has them
if he hadnt have rematched tyson when he did he would have had a couple more fights unifying the belts and then he would have retired
;D Bruno was very lucky to have been in a position to become a champion and rematch Tyson. He barely made it out of the last round against McCall; who had been asleep for most of their fight. Had he not fought Tyson he would've either had a couple of soft defences for less money, been stripped, or had to fight Holyfield or something. Truthfully though, it would have still been fun to see him take on say Tommy Morrisson or Ruddock, maybe and old Foreman. I think he'd have gotten KO'ed by all 3 but he also had a chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
30 odd fights 30 odd knockouts, beating up lewis for several rounds, winning against witherspoon and bonecrusher in his only other defeatsQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pking;D Bruno was very lucky to have been in a position to become a champion and rematch Tyson. He barely made it out of the last round against McCall; who had been asleep for most of their fight. Had he not fought Tyson he would've either had a couple of soft defences for less money, been stripped, or had to fight Holyfield or something. Truthfully though, it would have still been fun to see him take on say Tommy Morrisson or Ruddock, maybe and old Foreman. I think he'd have gotten KO'ed by all 3 but he also had a chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
call that lucky do you?
bruno won the world title on his 4th attempt, with all attempts being very well deserved
what a fighter bruno was, he would have been a great addition to any era
on paper he would have KOed Morrison and Ruddock
Ok, I'm not biting for the record:p He was lucky that he had a chance to fight McCall for the world title when he did, and imo lucky that McCall didn't show much life in that fight until the last round or two. He was also in no way ahead against Witherspoon before being stopped if I remember. Had he done anything to earn the shot at McCall since losing to Lewis? He was obviously a big draw and that's great, but he would have never had a prayer of staying champion for long.
so you are saying he caught mccall at a good time not that he was lucky to get a title fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
he was winning against witherspoon after about 8, he was probably still ahead at the time of the KO although witherspoon was on top and would have taken a decision
he was also winning against lewis and bonecrusher , against bonecrusher he was probably 8-1 up
he was winning against mccall not because mccall was having an off day but because bruno over 8 rounds was just a better fighter, its a pity 8 rounds was just about his limit and is the only reason mccall had a good last 2
just as bonecrusher did and just as witherspoon came into their fight after 8
Bruno is one of the most loved fighters in history in britain and he is also one of the most underrated, mainly because the only fights most people saw were the ones he was losing to top world champions
Bruno would have KOED both fury and Haye in the same night.
I think both. Lucky that he had a chance to win the belt from McCall, and lucky that McCall didn't show much fire in that fight. Bruno was a beast of a man and a very good boxer, but as you say he was an 8 round fighter and you can't be a world champion long with that kind of limitation. People only saw his losses because that's what all of his big fights wound up being:D I'd imagine McCall was the only man he ever beat who he wasn't heavily favoured to.
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Originally Posted by p4pking
you could be a world champ now being an peak for 8 round fighter
he goes in with povetkin, wins the first 8 (which is very possible) stays on his feet, world champ
mccall was top form, bruno battered him for 8, lost the last 3 of the last 4
all his big fights werent losses
you are being very negative today arent you?
Not really you can't. He could have absolutely beaten Povetkin though, perhaps even stopped him before 8. I think he'd have every chance to beat most HW's today in fact, but very little against either Klitschko. What's a big fight he won? Don't see how I was being negative any more than usual:)Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
you could be a world champ now being an peak for 8 round fighter
he goes in with povetkin, wins the first 8 (which is very possible) stays on his feet, world champ
mccall was top form, bruno battered him for 8, lost the last 3 of the last 4
all his big fights werent losses
you are being very negative today arent you?
You could tell how serious and confident Bruno was about avenging his defeat with that deer in the headlights look he had walking to the ring. Never seen a champion cross himself so muchQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
If Bruno had been bought up in an American gym he could have been alot better.
He was good but not great. He didnt seem to know how to deal with adversity. If hed had better fighters to spar with as an amteur and coming through the pros hed have learnt better head movement, not to be so stiff and tense, load up on all his shots and tire himself out.
He didnt have a bad chin, it just wasnt too hard to find and unfortunately he fought some huge punchers like Tyson, Lewis, Witherspoon and Smith who managed to find his chin as he tired and slowed down in the bouts.
If Bruno had the right political connections that Tyson had from King then Frank could have made a routine defence against Tucker, unified the title from Seldon and possibly fought Hipp and made some more money. Foreman would probably have been too afraid to fight Bruno, and Frank would have had to avoid Lewis and Holyfield for as long as possible because he would have been beaten by them anyway.
Yeah but Bruno would of lost to TuckerQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
At his best I agree, though I don't know how good Tucker still was at that point. What's for sure is that Bruno had no course of action that would allow him to remain champion while making as much money as he did against Tyson, and given he retired after that fight he probably didn't have the desire to find out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseYeah but Bruno would of lost to TuckerQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
no chance, bruno KO by 6Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingAt his best I agree, though I don't know how good Tucker still was at that point. What's for sure is that Bruno had no course of action that would allow him to remain champion while making as much money as he did against Tyson, and given he retired after that fight he probably didn't have the desire to find out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseYeah but Bruno would of lost to TuckerQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
I think Bruno injured his eye and was forced to retire although I am not entirely sure Eric will know.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingAt his best I agree, though I don't know how good Tucker still was at that point. What's for sure is that Bruno had no course of action that would allow him to remain champion while making as much money as he did against Tyson, and given he retired after that fight he probably didn't have the desire to find out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseYeah but Bruno would of lost to TuckerQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
He also knows what color boxers he wears and the type of toilet paper he uses to wipe his ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI think Bruno injured his eye and was forced to retire although I am not entirely sure Eric will know.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingAt his best I agree, though I don't know how good Tucker still was at that point. What's for sure is that Bruno had no course of action that would allow him to remain champion while making as much money as he did against Tyson, and given he retired after that fight he probably didn't have the desire to find out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseYeah but Bruno would of lost to TuckerQuote:
Originally Posted by Master