Boxing News | Chavez: These are dangerous fights…I have everything to lose and nothing to win
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Considering Chavez can't even get himself down to 168 for this fight I'm calling bullshit on that.Quote:
Commenting on his work habits, Chavez Jr. stated, “We’ve trained hard and strong for this fight. I’m not training late at night like last time. I know I was criticized. I have maintained good discipline.
Let's add this up:
+ Brian Vera is a bonafide middleweight, and has agreed to fight JCC Jr. at 173. :vd:
Translation: He must be really desperate and owes someone a lot of money.
+ JCC Jr. is a lightheavy, who has masqueraded as a middleweight, but comes into the ring 20-30 pounds over his weigh-in weight. So 173 is closer to his wheelhouse, and further from Vera's.
+ Brian Vera has two split decision wins over future Hall of Famer Sergio Mora. ;)
....... and Junior is hyping this as a "dangerous fight"?!?!?
I want some of whatever he's smoking.
HBO ran a greatest hits vid on El Gordo jr. It was hysterical, and quite short. I really don't know why this undisciplined spoon fed toad gets such a pass. The whole lead up to this one is the straw that broke the camels back for me. Fuck you fatty, and Arum too.
173 catchweight? You have to give him some credit, he'll be close to taking Guzman's title as the greatest pisstaker in boxing, soon
you answered your own question, Silverspoon Jr gets the recognition he does because of the man who started the spoon feeding, his own father, if his last name was Gonzalez nobody would give a fuck about this kid and he'd have be working part time at a McDonalds somewhere just to pay the bills, but since people are hoping that some day he'll magically become the second coming of his father well they're dumb enough to pay to see him, the Martinez fight sums up his entire career, even with a big age advantage, size and huge weight advantage, he couldn't do shit (sound familiar?!) hell he was able to hurt a tired, one legged one handed 38 year old fighter who he outweighed by about 20 lbs and still couldn't get the job done, that should sum it up right thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Chavez will never be his father. I think that was established a long time ago. But he makes exciting fights and I think he's fun to watch. The 12th round of the Martinez fight was one of the most exciting rounds I ever seen.
yet he's spoken of as if he was, if Marvis Frazier was given as much special treatment as Chavez Jr he would have had as big of a buzz as well, but well Marvis decided to take on real opposition in Holmes and Tyson and decide not to be coddled fighting smaller guysQuote:
Originally Posted by Scott22
173, ffs that's actually for real? The fight was signed at middleweight originally, correct? Sucks for Vera but he's an ageing journeyman who can't have much choice in the matter. I would laugh my ass off if he won, but of course he won't as one thing Chavez does have is a chin.
On Monday Chavez Senior says the new weight for the fight is 173. Vera's promoter/manager heard about it from reporters who called them after speaking to Senior. Then Arum says there's going to be a weigh in on Wednesday to decide what weight the fight is going to be at. Vera's promoter/manager tell him to fuck off and they'll see him at the weigh-in on Friday. JCC Junior will weigh in on Friday well over and pay whatever sum to Vera so that the fight happens.
We should have a sweepstake on how much the fat fucker will weigh.
That is priceless.. An impromptu weigh in to see what this clown might be able to make:rolleyes: Never heard of anything like that. Can you imagine Jr actually having to fight a decent opponent who'd be comfortable at 173?
** Didn't fully read that, good on Veras people telling them to fuck off and I hope Chavez has to hand over a good chunk of his purse to the guy. Any idea what kind of penalty Jr will face, per pound over etc? There should really be a set % per pound for all fighters who pull that kind of crap.
Would love to see his young immature ass get whooped and handed to him by B-Hop, would be a humbling experience that's for damn sureQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
LMAO!!
Could be a new wrinkle in the sport of boxing.
Have "The Coddled One" weigh in at whatever weight he wants, and that will be the weight of the fight.
Of course, this deserves it's own name. It could simply be called a "Chavez Weigh-In".
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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Of course! His purse will surely outweigh (pun fully intended) whatever "slap-on-the-wrist" fine or compensation he would have to pay so they would let his fat ass fight. So why not?
One more piece of evidence to show that Chavez Jr., backed by his daddy, Sulaiman, and the WBC, can pretty much do whatever the fuck he wants.
Its pretty damn ludicrous, Arum is literally flipping this as "a historical event" and calls its a REVEAL ffs?! Like we should all be standing in a circus tent waiting for the flap to be pulled back so we can see the bearded woman with 3 eyeballs :o or some shit. HBO is being played for suckers as are the fans. He's basically saying...we'll weigh in when we want and what we want and throw money at a middleweight. Please come and watch our sanctioned mismatch...and bring cake for lil Jr. Its a farce!Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
That was an exciting round and had 100% of my attention. With some real discipline, Chavez Jr could be twice the fighter he is, in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott22
173 and fight has been changed to a 10rd bout..
War Chavez
Fucking hilarious how bother you are at the fact that people pay to watch him fight. Probably cuz they never gave a fuck about when Vazquez or Camacho foughtQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyou answered your own question, Silverspoon Jr gets the recognition he does because of the man who started the spoon feeding, his own father, if his last name was Gonzalez nobody would give a fuck about this kid and he'd have be working part time at a McDonalds somewhere just to pay the bills, but since people are hoping that some day he'll magically become the second coming of his father well they're dumb enough to pay to see him, the Martinez fight sums up his entire career, even with a big age advantage, size and huge weight advantage, he couldn't do shit (sound familiar?!) hell he was able to hurt a tired, one legged one handed 38 year old fighter who he outweighed by about 20 lbs and still couldn't get the job done, that should sum it up right thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
It's more hilarious that people would pay to watch him fight at this point. This was a 12 round middleweight fight when it was signed, now it's become a 173 pound 10 rounder after it was already postponed over a little cut Chavez had. Ridiculous.
What you got against fun fights? It's what he makes. Fun fights. You wanna deny that, go ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Lots of guys are in fun fights but could never headline a PPV, and he's not that exciting. If the guy fought anyone his size at this point he'd get beaten so easily it would only be fun to watch for people that dislike him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseWhat you got against fun fights? It's what he makes. Fun fights. You wanna deny that, go ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Why is that held against Chavez? How is it his fault that not enough people give a fuck about them other fun fighters to pay to watch them? Cuz I guarantee you Chavez wouldn't be headlining shit if he didn't turn a profit.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingLots of guys are in fun fights but could never headline a PPV, and he's not that exciting. If the guy fought anyone his size at this point he'd get beaten so easily it would only be fun to watch for people that dislike him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseWhat you got against fun fights? It's what he makes. Fun fights. You wanna deny that, go ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
It's not his fault, but he wouldn't be turning a profit it weren't for his dad, unless he worked a lot harder. Seems he is given a pass for some things that would ruin other fighters, when is the last time you heard of a fight being moved up 13 pounds and back 2 rounds within a week of the night.
Enough with the famous daddy nonsense. Last name will only take you so far. The Camacho name got junior attention. Than everybody found out he was a pussy and quit. The Vazquez last name has done much for Wilfredo Jr. It might get him the big bingo hall in Puerto Rico. But it won't do shit for him in the US but get him on ESPN. Maybe Camacho and Vazquez weren't as big a name as Chavez. But Roberto Duran was. He had a son who fought too. Same name as his father. He was a Jr. Like Chavez Jr he had no amateur experience. Famous last name or not, a lot of muthafukkas don't even know a Roberto Duran Jr ever boxed. Why? Cuz he fucking sucked. Ronald Hearns is another son with a big last name. You think he can headline a PPV? If the goal is to lose money he would. Last name won't carry you if you fucking suckQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Chavez jr is an overachiever.. this is a boy who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and he could have easily chose the comfortable lifestyle yet he chose to fight for a living and became a champion..
How many sons of legends can claim that? Camacho jr, vazquez jr, paez jr, eubank jr, hearns jr etc etc all these dudes havent done shit compared to Chavez..
I remember when Jr was coming up as a prospect, everybody thought of him as a joke thinking he will get knocked outvas soon as he faces someone with a heartbeat but look at all the names he has beaten. All the haters were proven wrong and that makes him an overachiever...
Chavez jr is a real fuckin fighter.. just look at him.
Ha! You Mexicans and wannabe Mexicans and Mexicans because you like nachos need to learn when to fold and cash in your chips. Jr is not going to amount to diddly and you are making more and more excuses for him. Keep digging and you will end up in Oz.
Don't be silly. Mexicans only gravitate towards the southern states of the USA, thus the holes will be leading in that direction. Australia is far stricter about immigration than minimum wage land of opportunity 6 dollars an hour America.
Chavez Jnr is rubbish. I cannot abide the fat bastard offspring of rich people and Jnr is no different. He is everything that I cannot stand in boxing. PPV's based on fighting journeymen and here he is fighting a slightly more than journeyman at an undecided weight despite the fight happening in a few days.
Chavez should fight someone like Froch. It would be funny to see him laid out in four rounds and from an uppercut of the second chin.
This is a PPV event, boxing is mad!
I thought I had no sense of shame but Arum is something else. From another galaxy.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliIts pretty damn ludicrous, Arum is literally flipping this as "a historical event" and calls its a REVEAL ffs?! Like we should all be standing in a circus tent waiting for the flap to be pulled back so we can see the bearded woman with 3 eyeballs :o or some shit. HBO is being played for suckers as are the fans. He's basically saying...we'll weigh in when we want and what we want and throw money at a middleweight. Please come and watch our sanctioned mismatch...and bring cake for lil Jr. Its a farce!Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
It's really PPV? It's not just regular HBO?
In a perfect world Chavez would have to fight Froch or Kovalev next. Or Haye. And be forced to make the weight.
This is a joke. Starts out at 163, then 165, then 168 and now 173. Next year Jose will add three more weight classes just for Jr.
I think he should fight all three on one night, just bring him round after each KO and throw him back in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
At some point they'll have to put him in with somebody world class who is roughly his weight. That'll be one unmissable fight. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzI think he should fight all three on one night, just bring him round after each KO and throw him back in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Don't hold your breath though.
Chisora must be roughly his weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingAt some point they'll have to put him in with somebody world class who is roughly his weight. That'll be one unmissable fight. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzI think he should fight all three on one night, just bring him round after each KO and throw him back in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Don't hold your breath though.
It's hardly nonsense though. I would never say Jr sucks, he clearly doesn't. He's not great either though, and the attention he gets is mainly because of his name and connections, it's way overblown based on his ability or entertainment value. I also suspect he was using duiretics on a fairly regular basis to make 160, there was at least one or two shady incidents that were brushed under the rug. This fight in itself is about all you need to see what kind of treatment he's afforded, were it almost any other fighter and the whole card would've just been scrapped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseEnough with the famous daddy nonsense. Last name will only take you so far. The Camacho name got junior attention. Than everybody found out he was a pussy and quit. The Vazquez last name has done much for Wilfredo Jr. It might get him the big bingo hall in Puerto Rico. But it won't do shit for him in the US but get him on ESPN. Maybe Camacho and Vazquez weren't as big a name as Chavez. But Roberto Duran was. He had a son who fought too. Same name as his father. He was a Jr. Like Chavez Jr he had no amateur experience. Famous last name or not, a lot of muthafukkas don't even know a Roberto Duran Jr ever boxed. Why? Cuz he fucking sucked. Ronald Hearns is another son with a big last name. You think he can headline a PPV? If the goal is to lose money he would. Last name won't carry you if you fucking suckQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I just got my tickets for this fight... Imma get faded and shitfaced and have some fun!!!
StubHub center is literally the best boxing venue in southern cal...
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Originally Posted by beenKOedThat was an exciting round and had 100% of my attention. With some real discipline, Chavez Jr could be twice the fighter he is, in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott22
Are you kidding? He's already twice the fighter he was. ;)
If it's just name than why haven't other fighters with famous names benefit like he has?Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingIt's hardly nonsense though. I would never say Jr sucks, he clearly doesn't. He's not great either though, and the attention he gets is mainly because of his name and connections, it's way overblown based on his ability or entertainment value. I also suspect he was using duiretics on a fairly regular basis to make 160, there was at least one or two shady incidents that were brushed under the rug. This fight in itself is about all you need to see what kind of treatment he's afforded, were it almost any other fighter and the whole card would've just been scrapped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseEnough with the famous daddy nonsense. Last name will only take you so far. The Camacho name got junior attention. Than everybody found out he was a pussy and quit. The Vazquez last name has done much for Wilfredo Jr. It might get him the big bingo hall in Puerto Rico. But it won't do shit for him in the US but get him on ESPN. Maybe Camacho and Vazquez weren't as big a name as Chavez. But Roberto Duran was. He had a son who fought too. Same name as his father. He was a Jr. Like Chavez Jr he had no amateur experience. Famous last name or not, a lot of muthafukkas don't even know a Roberto Duran Jr ever boxed. Why? Cuz he fucking sucked. Ronald Hearns is another son with a big last name. You think he can headline a PPV? If the goal is to lose money he would. Last name won't carry you if you fucking suckQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
And nobody is holding a gun to Vera's head. If he values money more than brain cells that's his business. He's getting a 6 figure increase because of this situation. So he's doing the right thing by keeping his mouth close
yet when Floyd pulled the same shit against Marquez you bitched and moaned, and just now when he did it to Canelo you cried to the heavens of how big a bitch Floyd was for making Canelo come down in weight, further showing your blatant habit for double standardsQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseIf it's just name than why haven't other fighters with famous names benefit like he has?Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingIt's hardly nonsense though. I would never say Jr sucks, he clearly doesn't. He's not great either though, and the attention he gets is mainly because of his name and connections, it's way overblown based on his ability or entertainment value. I also suspect he was using duiretics on a fairly regular basis to make 160, there was at least one or two shady incidents that were brushed under the rug. This fight in itself is about all you need to see what kind of treatment he's afforded, were it almost any other fighter and the whole card would've just been scrapped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseEnough with the famous daddy nonsense. Last name will only take you so far. The Camacho name got junior attention. Than everybody found out he was a pussy and quit. The Vazquez last name has done much for Wilfredo Jr. It might get him the big bingo hall in Puerto Rico. But it won't do shit for him in the US but get him on ESPN. Maybe Camacho and Vazquez weren't as big a name as Chavez. But Roberto Duran was. He had a son who fought too. Same name as his father. He was a Jr. Like Chavez Jr he had no amateur experience. Famous last name or not, a lot of muthafukkas don't even know a Roberto Duran Jr ever boxed. Why? Cuz he fucking sucked. Ronald Hearns is another son with a big last name. You think he can headline a PPV? If the goal is to lose money he would. Last name won't carry you if you fucking suckQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
And nobody is holding a gun to Vera's head. If he values money more than brain cells that's his business. He's getting a 6 figure increase because of this situation. So he's doing the right thing by keeping his mouth close
Find me a post where I said what Chavez is doing is ok. When did I say it's alright? All I said is if Vera values money more than his health than it's his business. Which it is. You said nobody forced Alvarez to take the fight. Well I don't see anybody forcing Vera to take the fight either.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyet when Floyd pulled the same shit against Marquez you bitched and moaned, and just now when he did it to Canelo you cried to the heavens of how big a bitch Floyd was for making Canelo come down in weight, further showing your blatant habit for double standardsQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseIf it's just name than why haven't other fighters with famous names benefit like he has?Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingIt's hardly nonsense though. I would never say Jr sucks, he clearly doesn't. He's not great either though, and the attention he gets is mainly because of his name and connections, it's way overblown based on his ability or entertainment value. I also suspect he was using duiretics on a fairly regular basis to make 160, there was at least one or two shady incidents that were brushed under the rug. This fight in itself is about all you need to see what kind of treatment he's afforded, were it almost any other fighter and the whole card would've just been scrapped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseEnough with the famous daddy nonsense. Last name will only take you so far. The Camacho name got junior attention. Than everybody found out he was a pussy and quit. The Vazquez last name has done much for Wilfredo Jr. It might get him the big bingo hall in Puerto Rico. But it won't do shit for him in the US but get him on ESPN. Maybe Camacho and Vazquez weren't as big a name as Chavez. But Roberto Duran was. He had a son who fought too. Same name as his father. He was a Jr. Like Chavez Jr he had no amateur experience. Famous last name or not, a lot of muthafukkas don't even know a Roberto Duran Jr ever boxed. Why? Cuz he fucking sucked. Ronald Hearns is another son with a big last name. You think he can headline a PPV? If the goal is to lose money he would. Last name won't carry you if you fucking suckQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
And nobody is holding a gun to Vera's head. If he values money more than brain cells that's his business. He's getting a 6 figure increase because of this situation. So he's doing the right thing by keeping his mouth close
Swing and miss yet again.
There has never been a serious fighter whose dad was even close to as popular as Chavez. Mexico is what, 50 times the size of PR:dontknow: I never said the others didn't suck anyways, that's not my point. Not to mention Chavez sr is a personal friend of Suliman; I wouldn't be shocked if that old crook literally did have someone hold a gun to Vera's head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseIf it's just name than why haven't other fighters with famous names benefit like he has?Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingIt's hardly nonsense though. I would never say Jr sucks, he clearly doesn't. He's not great either though, and the attention he gets is mainly because of his name and connections, it's way overblown based on his ability or entertainment value. I also suspect he was using duiretics on a fairly regular basis to make 160, there was at least one or two shady incidents that were brushed under the rug. This fight in itself is about all you need to see what kind of treatment he's afforded, were it almost any other fighter and the whole card would've just been scrapped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseEnough with the famous daddy nonsense. Last name will only take you so far. The Camacho name got junior attention. Than everybody found out he was a pussy and quit. The Vazquez last name has done much for Wilfredo Jr. It might get him the big bingo hall in Puerto Rico. But it won't do shit for him in the US but get him on ESPN. Maybe Camacho and Vazquez weren't as big a name as Chavez. But Roberto Duran was. He had a son who fought too. Same name as his father. He was a Jr. Like Chavez Jr he had no amateur experience. Famous last name or not, a lot of muthafukkas don't even know a Roberto Duran Jr ever boxed. Why? Cuz he fucking sucked. Ronald Hearns is another son with a big last name. You think he can headline a PPV? If the goal is to lose money he would. Last name won't carry you if you fucking suckQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
And nobody is holding a gun to Vera's head. If he values money more than brain cells that's his business. He's getting a 6 figure increase because of this situation. So he's doing the right thing by keeping his mouth close
Jr is a decent fighter who in my opinion would have either had to prove a lot more or would already be an afterthought if it weren't for his name. How's that.