"Chavez Jr.'s lack of professionalism embodies all that is wrong with boxing"

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seems to be the general consensus aside from two groupies

I hope he gets knocked out into retirement...he is an absolute piss poor example of a professional fighter.

He is fun to see and it is interesting how much help he gets from the corrupt politics of boxing. It is shameful but his people do not care.

Jr is an overachiever and an exciting fighter which is all that matters. Chavez is a rebel without a cause ohhh shiat.

JC Jr. is becoming more and more like Camacho Jr. ....let Vera beat him and we'll see that guy blow up in weight and not even try to win fights until he wants to try and rescue his career.

You see this, you see JC Jr. a guy handed everything because of his dad. Handed trainers, handed experience, handed a name that brings loads of fans, and he doesn't have the heart or pride to treat that gift with respect??? Makes you value TRUE champions TRUE class fighters all the more, especially guys who don't "need" the fight game the way some guys fight to get off the street or away from trouble...boxing takes dedication and all this bullshit will catch up with JC Jr. sooner or later.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

JC Jr. is becoming more and more like Camacho Jr. ....let Vera beat him and we'll see that guy blow up in weight and not even try to win fights until he wants to try and rescue his career.

You see this, you see JC Jr. a guy handed everything because of his dad. Handed trainers, handed experience, handed a name that brings loads of fans, and he doesn't have the heart or pride to treat that gift with respect??? Makes you value TRUE champions TRUE class fighters all the more, especially guys who don't "need" the fight game the way some guys fight to get off the street or away from trouble...boxing takes dedication and all this bullshit will catch up with JC Jr. sooner or later.

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Chavez has been cut and bruised plenty of times. He's even fought while sick and with a 100 degree fever. Comparing him to a pussy, quitter like the Puerto Rican Camacho Jr is ridiculous and shows a complete lack of boxing knowledge. So disappointing is your comment that I'm positive your account was high-jacked and posted on by someone else. The Lyle I know doesn't post dumb shit like that.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

JC Jr. is becoming more and more like Camacho Jr. ....let Vera beat him and we'll see that guy blow up in weight and not even try to win fights until he wants to try and rescue his career.

You see this, you see JC Jr. a guy handed everything because of his dad. Handed trainers, handed experience, handed a name that brings loads of fans, and he doesn't have the heart or pride to treat that gift with respect??? Makes you value TRUE champions TRUE class fighters all the more, especially guys who don't "need" the fight game the way some guys fight to get off the street or away from trouble...boxing takes dedication and all this bullshit will catch up with JC Jr. sooner or later.

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Chavez has been cut and bruised plenty of times. He's even fought while sick and with a 100 degree fever. Comparing him to a pussy, quitter like the Puerto Rican Camacho Jr is ridiculous and shows a complete lack of boxing knowledge. So disappointing is your comment that I'm positive your account was high-jacked and posted on by someone else. The Lyle I know doesn't post dumb shit like that.

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And the way you worship Jr shows your lack of boxing knowledge and shows complete disrespect to the sport.

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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... and with HBO selecting Rigo's next opponent for him, this whole HBO Boxing thing is now on it's death bed.

Even a broken clock gets it right twice a day. Iole is usually an A-hole but he gets this one right and it makes little difference where Chavez Jr comes from figuratively and yet everything literally because of his relationship with Jose and the WBC. Even w/o that personal relationship,if anyone else at this level got away with the shit he does the criticism would be off the charts. It makes absolutely no difference to me where the guy is from. Not only does he shit on boxing with his acceptance of these nepotistic hand outs but he shits on all the greats of Mexico's past and more specifically his own father.

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Originally Posted by IamInuit

Even a broken clock gets it right twice a day. Iole is usually an A-hole but he gets this one right and it makes little difference where Chavez Jr comes from figuratively and yet everything literally because of his relationship with Jose and the WBC. Even w/o that personal relationship,if anyone else at this level got away with the shit he does the criticism would be off the charts. It makes absolutely no difference to me where the guy is from. Not only does he shit on boxing with his acceptance of these nepotistic hand outs but he shits on all the greats of Mexico's past and more specifically his own father.

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Yea I always wonder how his father really feels. He must be ashamed.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

JC Jr. is becoming more and more like Camacho Jr. ....let Vera beat him and we'll see that guy blow up in weight and not even try to win fights until he wants to try and rescue his career.

You see this, you see JC Jr. a guy handed everything because of his dad. Handed trainers, handed experience, handed a name that brings loads of fans, and he doesn't have the heart or pride to treat that gift with respect??? Makes you value TRUE champions TRUE class fighters all the more, especially guys who don't "need" the fight game the way some guys fight to get off the street or away from trouble...boxing takes dedication and all this bullshit will catch up with JC Jr. sooner or later.

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Chavez has been cut and bruised plenty of times. He's even fought while sick and with a 100 degree fever. Comparing him to a pussy, quitter like the Puerto Rican Camacho Jr is ridiculous and shows a complete lack of boxing knowledge. So disappointing is your comment that I'm positive your account was high-jacked and posted on by someone else. The Lyle I know doesn't post dumb shit like that.

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And the way you worship Jr shows your lack of boxing knowledge and shows complete disrespect to the sport.

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I worship no man. And I've clearly stated more than once that I don't agree with Chavez missing weight.

Chavez is simply too big for middleweight, he should fight at light heavyweight.

He looked thin and weight-drained at the weigh-in today.

Honestly I have a bigger problem with a network that calls itself the Home of championship boxing and increasingly allows this to happen. This is a FNF quality match in the first place and Arum has hood winked and snake oil salesman the entire lead in. Its just horseshit on all fronts, simple as.

He didn't miss weight because he busted his ass but yet couldn't make it...he didn't make it because he didn't have too and was still guaranteed the showcase.

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Honestly I have a bigger problem with a network that calls itself the Home of championship boxing and increasingly allows this to happen. This is a FNF quality match in the first place and Arum has hood winked and snake oil salesman the entire lead in. Its just horseshit on all fronts, simple as.

He didn't miss weight because he busted his ass but yet couldn't make it...he didn't make it because he didn't have too and was still guaranteed the showcase.

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Bang on. The same place that refuses an opponent for Rigo. Great tv. Pinhead morons where boxing is concerned. Dodo bird.

Sr. always looks pissed when he's around Junior. I get the feeling Junior does this as it is easily available to him. He seems only half interested in training and the same in the ring recently. Maybe he can turn it around, he at this point is like HBOs centerpiece which is sad to say. HBO probably wishes he could be ppv worthy. I don't have much hope for him even in this fight. edit damn, I went back and read that article. We need to have a forum wide Karma chant to give Vera a little extra pop to knock fatass around. We might even see Senior cheer when his fat useless son is looking like a WALRUS with canvass at his back.

Chavez Sr. literally grew up in a cardboard box and started fighting pro at 15 in hopes his mother wouldn't have to do peoples laundry anymore. He may not be disgusted with Jr's lazy ass, but he sure as hell couldn't be proud of him.

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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-__- the only groupie is you. The kid is an asshole. I can admit when my own fuck up. I have never liked Margarito. I wanted to like Chavez Jr but fuck him. 2 pounds away from LHW. Brian is only taking the fight for the $. Chavez gets no credit even if he wins.

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Originally Posted by outspoken

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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-__- the only groupie is you. The kid is an asshole. I can admit when my own fuck up. I have never liked Margarito. I wanted to like Chavez Jr but fuck him. 2 pounds away from LHW. Brian is only taking the fight for the $. Chavez gets no credit even if he wins.

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sorry buddy, no groupie here, if it was Cotto or Trinidad himself he'd be getting just as criticized for this blatant lack of professionalism, Chavez is just as bad as Joan Guzman, and should be treated as such, Guzman gets no high profile fights anymore and pretty much zero tv exposure, Chavez does cause he lives off his last name, yet the two that keep making excuses for the punk are clearly groupies, funny enough you're not even one of the ones that I thought of when making the statement, so cool your panties down little fella

and Chavez gets no credit because he deserves no credit, he should blow away all his opponents with ease seeing how he's always in there with a 20 lbs or higher weight advantage going into fights, he has yet to fight a guy the same size, and he never looks really spectacular while beating up smaller guys who are far from being world class, the only time he's stepped in with a real WORLD CLASS opponent, he got his ass beat up, despite the fact that his opponent is 38, 20 lbs lighter when already being a small middleweight, and was fighting with one hand and one leg already half way through the fight, I criticize Chavez for being a coddled punk because simply put, that's exactly what he is, it doesn't matter where he comes from the kid was raised with a silver spoon and tries to act like a bad ass while doing the equivalent of Tae Bo in his living room and trying to pass it off as training hard for a fight, his dad should be embarrassed of the joke of a fighter he's spawned, and Jr should either get serious or stop making a joke of the sport and move on to getting a job where he doesn't look like an ass

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-__- the only groupie is you. The kid is an asshole. I can admit when my own fuck up. I have never liked Margarito. I wanted to like Chavez Jr but fuck him. 2 pounds away from LHW. Brian is only taking the fight for the $. Chavez gets no credit even if he wins.

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sorry buddy, no groupie here, if it was Cotto or Trinidad himself he'd be getting just as criticized for this blatant lack of professionalism, Chavez is just as bad as Joan Guzman, and should be treated as such, Guzman gets no high profile fights anymore and pretty much zero tv exposure, Chavez does cause he lives off his last name, yet the two that keep making excuses for the punk are clearly groupies, funny enough you're not even one of the ones that I thought of when making the statement, so cool your panties down little fella

and Chavez gets no credit because he deserves no credit, he should blow away all his opponents with ease seeing how he's always in there with a 20 lbs or higher weight advantage going into fights, he has yet to fight a guy the same size, and he never looks really spectacular while beating up smaller guys who are far from being world class, the only time he's stepped in with a real WORLD CLASS opponent, he got his ass beat up, despite the fact that his opponent is 38, 20 lbs lighter when already being a small middleweight, and was fighting with one hand and one leg already half way through the fight, I criticize Chavez for being a coddled punk because simply put, that's exactly what he is, it doesn't matter where he comes from the kid was raised with a silver spoon and tries to act like a bad ass while doing the equivalent of Tae Bo in his living room and trying to pass it off as training hard for a fight, his dad should be embarrassed of the joke of a fighter he's spawned, and Jr should either get serious or stop making a joke of the sport and move on to getting a job where he doesn't look like an ass

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Don't say this often to you but I agree. He could have worked hard and tried to prove people wrong but this incident just shows that he doesn't take this sport serious nor does he give a shit about his fans. Dude is 2 pounds away from lhw .... 2 divisons away from his limit ...that's a joke.

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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seems to be the general consensus aside from two groupies

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-__- the only groupie is you. The kid is an asshole. I can admit when my own fuck up. I have never liked Margarito. I wanted to like Chavez Jr but fuck him. 2 pounds away from LHW. Brian is only taking the fight for the $. Chavez gets no credit even if he wins.

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sorry buddy, no groupie here, if it was Cotto or Trinidad himself he'd be getting just as criticized for this blatant lack of professionalism, Chavez is just as bad as Joan Guzman, and should be treated as such, Guzman gets no high profile fights anymore and pretty much zero tv exposure, Chavez does cause he lives off his last name, yet the two that keep making excuses for the punk are clearly groupies, funny enough you're not even one of the ones that I thought of when making the statement, so cool your panties down little fella

and Chavez gets no credit because he deserves no credit, he should blow away all his opponents with ease seeing how he's always in there with a 20 lbs or higher weight advantage going into fights, he has yet to fight a guy the same size, and he never looks really spectacular while beating up smaller guys who are far from being world class, the only time he's stepped in with a real WORLD CLASS opponent, he got his ass beat up, despite the fact that his opponent is 38, 20 lbs lighter when already being a small middleweight, and was fighting with one hand and one leg already half way through the fight, I criticize Chavez for being a coddled punk because simply put, that's exactly what he is, it doesn't matter where he comes from the kid was raised with a silver spoon and tries to act like a bad ass while doing the equivalent of Tae Bo in his living room and trying to pass it off as training hard for a fight, his dad should be embarrassed of the joke of a fighter he's spawned, and Jr should either get serious or stop making a joke of the sport and move on to getting a job where he doesn't look like an ass

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Don't say this often to you but I agree. He could have worked hard and tried to prove people wrong but this incident just shows that he doesn't take this sport serious nor does he give a shit about his fans. Dude is 2 pounds away from lhw .... 2 divisons away from his limit ...that's a joke.

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most guys are tweeting about him being a disrespectful little shit on Twitter

Lennox Lewis :If ur a PROFESSIONAL fighter, it's ur duty to show up in shape at contracted weight and ready to fight! Just that simple.

Sergio Mora: I lost my title to the great Vernon Forrest 2nd time around honoring contract. It's called being a professional

Dan Rafeal: Chavez = disgrace who ignores contract weight. Canelo = professional who honored the 152 limit in his contract. #facts #boxing

What do you expect from a fighter that eats junk food and froot-loops? This guy is spoiled. He doesn't have the dedication- what he has is a modicum of talent and a huge fan-base, thanks to his father.

With that being said- it's gonna have to take an ass whipping for this to change, for the better for Jr.

Mayweather was a little arrogant, spoiled and rode off on his father's and uncle's name- but NEVER was Mayweather this unprofessional, and never did he ever forget the name that he represents: "Mayweather!"

The name Mayweather was around before little Floyd was around.

The Mayweather scenario works completely the other way. Floyd sr abused his son and made him train so that he could be the fighter he never was close to being, the last name wouldn't have made a bit of difference. Floyd jr didn't have it remotely easy and he's never been even slightly unprofessional as far as boxing is concerned.

Camacho Jr. was a joke.... and so is Chavez Jr. Maybe even a bigger joke.

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A real man and boxing fan owns up to his mistakes. @outspoken, kudos for being objective. Something not everyone on JCC Jr.'s side is capable of. When you defend the indefensible, you lose all credibility.
@Violent Demise, you never had any credibility to begin with. But this is low even by your standards. Word of advice: Cut your losses and drop the blind defense of Junior. Everyone here sees right through it. Or better yet..... continue defending him and trashing those who don't. You sink yourself lower and lower with each post.

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Camacho Jr. was a joke.... and so is Chavez Jr. Maybe even a bigger joke.

Bottom line:

A real man and boxing fan owns up to his mistakes. @outspoken, kudos for being objective. Something not everyone on JCC Jr.'s side is capable of. When you defend the indefensible, you lose all credibility.
@Violent Demise, you never had any credibility to begin with. But this is low even by your standards. Word of advice: Cut your losses and drop the blind defense of Junior. Everyone here sees right through it. Or better yet..... continue defending him and trashing those who don't. You sink yourself lower and lower with each post.

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Learn to read stupid. I don't agree with him missing weight. How the fuck can that be considered defending him?

Chavez Jr continues to disgrace this sport

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Originally Posted by p4pking

The Mayweather scenario works completely the other way. Floyd sr abused his son and made him train so that he could be the fighter he never was close to being, the last name wouldn't have made a bit of difference. Floyd jr didn't have it remotely easy and he's never been even slightly unprofessional as far as boxing is concerned.

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I disagree with the light-regard you give the Mayweather name pre-Floyd Jr.

The Mayweather name was, and still is, a HUGE boxing name. It's like how the Quarry's were, or the Spinks family. Their names are synonymous with boxing.

With that being said: Mayweather never abused it and rode around, getting fluffs from promoters, trainers, media, etc... until he, himself, became a star. Mayweather was fighting ESPN fights well up until his 10th fight.

And, YES- Mayweather worked HARD. That's what Chavez Jr. lacked. He has never been remotely considered unprofessional. You are correct and that's what I'm saying. Even as a stellar amatuer and an Olympian who was (felt like) he was robbed in 1996 of the gold medal match, he kept on working and working.

That's what I'm saying!!