How good was he against Cloud?
Man vs boy. He demolished him.
Great, great fighter, not just a left hand.
I really underestimated Stevenson, BADLY.
Becoming one of my favorite fighters.
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How good was he against Cloud?
Man vs boy. He demolished him.
Great, great fighter, not just a left hand.
I really underestimated Stevenson, BADLY.
Becoming one of my favorite fighters.
I'm a Stevenson fan but we need to be careful when analyzing the fight. Cloud was absolutely flat and almost looked broken before the bell rang to start the first round. I dont know what his punch out put was but it was dismal. He almost made Abraham look like a busy fighter. I think Bellew will put up a much better fight. If Bellew passes on the mandatory then bring on Pascal. That is a massive fight in Quebec
I think people rate cloud far abov what he is.
Stevenson vs dawson - yes great result - demolishing him in a round - although Dawson is beginning to become exposed I still think he's a top B level fighter
But cloud - I did pick him to lose handily against hopkins and he did - I don't know why he's rated anyway - I would expect any decent puncher to end him and at least beat him via an easy UD
Fair play to adonis and I think he will probably stop bellew but I dont think he belongs with the top level fighters
I disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by oakleyno1
He's whiped out 2 world champions in 4 months.
Ok maybe you don't rate them, but they were champions for a reason.
I think he'll stop Bellew in a few rounds, then I don't see many testing him, Kovalev, maybe.
GGG would need to jump up weights so I don't think he'd be as powerful.
I think fighting Bellew is a borderline waste of time, that's not even a fight to me. Agree Cloud looked a bit flat, but he's still a good fighter and just couldn't get in range to let his hands go. He was trying to jab his way in, but Stevenson showed he has some slickness, he is certainly not the kill or be killed fighter I expected. For 36 he looked very fresh, has quick feet and can measure distance quite well. I think he and Kovalev would be a tremendous fight and I doubt old man Hopkins wants anything to do with either one, it's the premier fight at 175 for sure imo.
Stevenson had a great reply when they asked him about Kovalev.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
"He needs to step up, I've stopped 2 champions in 4 months"
Shows how little respect he has for Cleverly, even though Kovalev got the title, the title he got belonged to a nobody at the time.
I was actually more impressed with Stevensons mentality and approach more than actual execution. I over estimated what Cloud could do post Hopkins when he frankly had the look of a Pavlik in his eyes half way through that one. Stevenson showed top patience and a full package and resisted the selling out for power, but was a guy who had previously been shut down and gone to school on by Campillo and Hopkins.
In my opinion, Cloud was thoroughly outboxed by Campillo and Hopkins, before he got in the ring with Adonis. And although Adonis beat up George, I thought George actually got to him a couple of times. Dawson had been knocked out by Ward prior to his fight with Adonis. All I'm saying is that he hasn't beat a Hopkins or a Kovalev yet, or even a Pascal.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Big win for him though and he appears to be on a great trajectory.
Cloud didn't embarrass himself against Hopkins though, he was in the fight and able to get inside and land now and then with the same approach he tried the other night. As you say Stevenson showed patience and guile, which I really didn't think he had any of. Any kind of those wrinkles combined with his being a rangy southpaw KO puncher makes him a very interesting fighter at the least imo.
Didn't see this before I started typing, but I mostly agree. I thought Campillo actually beat Cloud a good deal more clearly than Hopkins did, aside from being in trouble early. The LHW division has really been shaken up over the last year. Pascal fought like an idiot the other night imo, and that was the only time he'd been in the ring for almost 2 years I believe. I think Stevenson knocks him out easily if Bute doesn't first, which wouldn't surprise me.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratIn my opinion, Cloud was thoroughly outboxed by Campillo and Hopkins, before he got in the ring with Adonis. And although Adonis beat up George, I thought George actually got to him a couple of times. Dawson had been knocked out by Ward prior to his fight with Adonis. All I'm saying is that he hasn't beat a Hopkins or a Kovalev yet, or even a Pascal.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Big win for him though and he appears to be on a great trajectory.
I have doubts that Bellew will beat Stevenson now.
I don't rate Hopkins in his old age.
Hasn't had a knockout in nearly 10 years.
And in that decade his record is
8(0)-4(0)-1-1
Granted he's won world titles, but he's also lost and failed to win more in that decade.
Stevenson KOs Hopkins, so does Kovalev.
I don't why people think Bellew is simply going to get knocked out and it's a waste of time fight. Bellew is the mandatory and he's earned another shot at the title. Bellew was more deserving than cloud for this fight and he will put in a much better effort than Cloud. I think Bellew will be the toughest fight Stevenson will have in his career so far.
I also don't see why b hop would be scared of Stevenson either. He might be able to hit hard but I have no doubts the crafty alien will be able to work him out.
If Stevenson does get through Bellew though I think he needs to look to fight B hop or Kovalev. But if I was Stevenson I think he should keep staying busy and take on Bellew and look for the unification fights after that. There's also the massive Canadian showdowns with either Pascal or Bute but I think Stevenson would beat them both.
oh it was a complete package. Nothing like a proven puncher showing his grey matter at work and never once forcing the issue, letting it come. I had all three pretty much closing him down, Campillo with the hardest spot to overcome in first few but pulling away after that. Cloud must have felt like he had his face shoved in a plastic fan, robbery to the max. Hopkins gets to the point where he relishes just shifting a guy off balance and making them look foolish, sharpshooting for effect as much rather he does throwing for power, but I only gave Cloud 1-2 rounds in that if I remember. He put his hands in his pockets last two and looked befuddled. Stevenson brought the power and had a willing canvas to paint on.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
No my friend he isn't a great fighter , he just looked good against Cloud , styles make fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
he was impressive but he isn't a great fighter. he will beat Bellew easily.
Lmao! Bellew has earned nothing. He is shit and is rated for what? Having a close fight with Cleverly. Who again was overrated. Bellew gets Kod early, no doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Pascal looked decent at the weekend. If he beats Bute, which I think he will, he will have earned a shot at Stevenson. No doubt Kov and Stevenson are the top 2 in this division
I have to say that the fight was a joy to watch. I think it was middle of the third round when I said to myself outloud "has he even been hit yet?"