uhhh... anyone think there's anything questionable about these images of 40 year old juan manuel marquez?
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uhhh... anyone think there's anything questionable about these images of 40 year old juan manuel marquez?
Boxing News | Juan Manuel Marquez Mexico City Media Day
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Most fighters don't put in half that effort. Much less 40 year olds. That's why he stays on top
There's nothing questionable about his physique. Hard work and dedication
That's all it is.
I don't see anything remotely questionable there.
I do. Those socks. Shocking.
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/J...GM4054PeAl.jpg
Marquez against Mayweather.
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/18...t_Pacquiao.jpg
At the weigh-in for his last fight.
Move along, there's nothing to see here. It's all down to lots of hard work in the gym.
Thomas Hauser, the best writer in boxing :
For years, Juan Manuel Marquez has honored the craft of prizefighting. But there’s now a cloud hanging over him in the suspicion that, sometime before his fourth fight against Manny Pacquiao, Marquez stopped drinking his own urine in preparing for fights and began using performance-enhancing drugs under the supervision of conditioning coach Angel “Memo” Heredia.
That suspicion was echoed by Jim Lampley in a December 15, 2012, telecast of The Fight Game in which Lampley referenced “the presence in Juan Manuel Marquez's training camp of a man who once admitted under oath to being a world-renowned purveyor of performance enhancing drugs” and “Marquez's stunning appearance on the scale [prior to Pacquiao-Marquez IV] followed by his stunning power in the fight.”
Whatever the cause, Marquez (who several years ago looked old in the ring), appears with the assistance of Heredia to have found the fountain of youth that Ponce De Leon sought. With that in mind, Bradley wanted the most comprehensive drug-testing possible for Bradley-Marquez.
“Before I ever talked money with Top Rank,” Tim says, “we talked drug testing. It’s in my contract. I don’t know what Marquez’s contract says, but my contract says that VADA testing was supposed to be done on both fighters starting July 13th. And someone reneged.”
Marquez refused to be tested by VADA, which is widely regarded as having the most comprehensive PED testing program currently available in boxing.
Initially, Bradley threatened to pull out of the fight.
“I’m not going to fight someone at this level and risk everything if they cheated,” Tim told Boxing Scene Radio. "My contract says VADA [and USADA as a second tester if Marquez so chooses] is going to be involved, so that's what I'm going with. If they are not going to be involved, there is not going to be a fight.”
Then Top Rank announced that it had resolved the issue by agreeing to underwrite the cost of a special PED-testing program for Bradley-Marquez to be overseen by the Nevada State Athletic Commission.
“The whole State of Nevada is getting involved and doing their drug testing,” Bradley responded. “That's fine. But in my contract, it still says VADA-USADA is going to be involved. At the end of the day, if that doesn't happen, it’s a breach of my contract.”
Eventually, Bradley backed down on the issue. He has submitted to VADA testing for himself at his own expense as a demonstration of his integrity. Both Marquez and Bradley will be tested by the Nevada State Athletic Commission. But Marquez will not be tested by VADA or USADA.
It’s unclear what tests will be conducted by the NSAC, which drugs will be tested for, how a positive test will be reported, when, and to whom.
Moreover, the NSAC tests began so late (August 6th) that a fighter, hypothetically, would have been able to use PEDs and then, after benefiting from their use, stop “juicing” in time to get the illegal drugs out of his system before testing began.
One might also note that the NSAC is using a collection agency whose first-stated mission is paternity testing (see www.jagexam.com ). One assumes that neither Marquez nor Bradley is pregnant.
“Let’s put it this way,” Bradley says. “Marquez and I are two of the guys at the top in boxing. When you’re at the top, you want the best of everything. But Marquez isn’t willing to do the best drug-testing in the world, which is VADA. No offense to the Nevada commission; but their drug-testing is like an old cell phone. VADA is like the iPhone5. I said, ‘If you don’t trust VADA, we’ll do VADA and USADA and Nevada. I’ll test with anyone you want as long as VADA is included. Even Pacquiao and Rios are doing VADA now. But it didn’t happen. Even the timing on what they’re doing is wrong. I wanted testing three months out. As soon as we got into July, testing should have started. But Marquez kept stalling, stalling, buying time until we got into August.”
“If you’re clean,” Bradley continues, “why not do the best testing out there? It doesn’t add up unless you’re playing games. Marquez is getting his way on testing, but I don’t think it’s the right way. It looks shady to me. PEDs are a real problem now in boxing. More fighters have to step up and insist that testing be done right or we’re all going to pay a price.”
Why Bradley-Marquez Matters - Boxing News
Look at those photographs. Even his head is different. He's starting to look like Barry Bonds.
Are you a pac fan?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
It can't be denied that it is somewhat suspicious. Innocent until proven guilty, of course.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsAzSrCKNmQ
Listen, the same argument that was made against Pacquiao with drug testing--take the test--applies here. Marquez won't take the test. It doesn't mean he's on illegal drugs, but it is suspicious, especially because Bradley and Marquez weren't in a heated negotiation, like the Floyd-Manny negotiation. There's no reason why Marquez shouldn't take all the tests in the world. Money isn't the issue.
Hugh Mcilvanney is a much better writer on boxing than Hauser. Hausers Ali book is great if a little sycophantic but for me Hugh is better.
Marquez looks ripped because he has a conditioning coach who knows how to help him realise his potential. His head looks the same.
He looks about the same as he did before his last fight. Definitely think Bradley is in for a beating in this one, should be fun while it lasts.
A profesional athlete's physique changes after he starts weightlifting for the first time - motherfuckers lose their minds... :vd:
It's difficult to say whether Marquez's new-found physique is due to a strength and conditioning coach or a drug regimen. There's no doubt his physique looks entirely different than it was before his last fight. Either way he should have signed up for every test-taking service out there. Fact that he has a problem with doing so is suspicious.
No one should duck a drug test if they have nothing to hide.
Floyd was right for bringing this stuff in.
too much bullshit being made of this
Mayweather weigh in
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/J...bc6A1aQtTl.jpg
Pacquiao 3 weigh in
http://www.interaksyon.com/interaktv...ao-marquez.jpg
Pacquiao 4 weigh in
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/18...t_Pacquiao.jpg
the guy is always in shape...what's the big deal?! since he KO'd Manny now he's a cheat?! get the fuck out of here, would have been shocking if he hadn't whipped his ass already 3 times prior to
The guy used to think that drinking his own piss was sports nutrition for god's sake...
Marquez's weight has barely moved up at the weigh in or fight night. He based his entire training after the second Manny fight on power and strength and put the time in pumping iron and putting in as much time in that process as we do with our 9 to 5's. Of course the results are going to be dramatic. If Marquez was cycling growth hormones all this time he'd be having trouble making 147 not weighing in a pound heavier since their last fight. He weighed in at 143 for the 4th fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
His refusal or failure to comply with Bradleys contract is not proof that he's juicing. Either institute random testing or everybody is freakin guilty. Tim also that walking candy apple and even Floyd. Random tests are no guarantee. Track stars have been beating these things for half a century.
That is smoke and mirrors on your part Kirkland. If you compare the actual weigh in photos like later in the thread your evidence crumbles. Cheat.:-PQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Not particularly. I'm a boxing fan. I don't like cheating motherfunkers. Probably Manny has taken stuff at some time as well but at least he's willing to do random testing without stalling and trying to back out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by impAre you a pac fan?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
After the last Manny fight in response to all the suspicion in the media Marquez said he'd do VADA and/or USADA random testing from then on. Heredia, his chemist, said that every fighter he trained from then on would do full VADA and /or USADA random testing. So far they've both proved to be completely full of shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Exactly just look at the pic Terrible posted above lol. Instead he puts the most ripped pic he can find on Marquez at the weigh in vs Pac and then he gets a pic of Marquez vs Mayweather where he has already weighted in and gone up in weight standing akward lol. He is already doing random blood testing at any time without him knowing. He did not even have to do that, He choose to.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzThat is smoke and mirrors on your part Kirkland. If you compare the actual weigh in photos like later in the thread your evidence crumbles. Cheat.:-PQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Not to mention Marquez jumped two weight classes to fight Mayweather and he said he was going to add muscle since he was not a natural 147 pounder at that time. Marquez had NEVER fought above 135. He has now settled in at that weight and kept true to keeping that muscle.
I dont even think Marquez would make 147 without all that muscle his natural weight is 135. That's why he started doing all that strenght and conditioning he has to maintain that muscle to fight there.
But whatever dude.
Why would JMM not agree to VADA testing? Did he not agree to it in his last fight?
Floyd gets massive credit for being the first to force the issue or at least make it a big issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
However, Floyd doesn't demand it for his team (two have tested positive) and he hasn't helped commissions do it or furthered the cause on a national level. Floyd doesn't test 24/7/365 either. He only tests prior to fights and he doesn't use VADA, only USADA, which doesn't do carbon isotope testing to the same level as VADA.
I can see Marquez looking that much different just by adding weight training, in one form or another, to his regimen. My whole life, I worked out and stayed in shape. Since my by-pass surgery (and once my chest healed, and probably to strengthen that weakness) I have started using more weights and direct resistance exercises in my workouts. I am finding muscles in places I never knew I had them before, and I drink more beer weekly than Marquez has probably drank in his life and am coming off 16 pretty sedentary months post surgery.
Now, whether those extra tummy muscles make Marquez a better fighter, NO. What makes him good is the knowledge Nacho Beristain imparted to him, and what he has learned in the ring. Him koing Pac was inevitable; the guy was there to be timed and I am suprised it took him so long to do it.
Look he most likely is on some sort of PED. I think I read reports that it's believe very high numbers top pro boxers are on or have taken some sort of PED during their career.
There are a few I believe are clean but if you don't agree to whatever testing is available I know you are on something.
It's not just boxing it's virtually all sport. They should probably just allow most of it at this stage.
Most people will agree that JMM looked significantly more muscled than usual for his last fight with Pac. Personally, I'd be disappointed to learn he's on PED's, 'cause I've always liked and respected him as a fighter. Sounds silly to correlate personality to PED use... but JMM has always come across as a straight-up and classy fighter. If JCC Jr. were accused of PED use I'd have no problem believing it, but somehow it seems out of character for JMM. Besides, it's not like he's needed the edge over the years. I think people combine the visuals with the vicious KTFO he laid on Pac, and somehow arrive at that conclusion. But like someone said... innocent until proven guilty.