Take action now- tell Russia : Release the Greenpeace activists

We can all do something to make a difference. Don't just let them be another face on the news. It takes seconds and can be done in less time than it takes to roll one up or make a cup of tea. Click on the link below and then hit the orange TAKE ACTION NOW button and send a message to those who think they can do what they like to your planet. TELL RUSSIA - RELEASE THE GREENPEACE ACTIVISTS.




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Good work Beanz, that was easy to do.

I recon the consulate wouldnt read the same letter twice it would just annoy him. So I went up the track of Russia needs to continue to build relationships with other countries , so to put false charges of Piracy onto peaceful demonstrators will not help in building an even ground of trust in their future dealings with other world leaders and business men from around the world.blah blah please consider their release...;)

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You are bunch of hypocrites
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I didn't see this thread earlier and it just caught my attention because of angry old Semin there. Greenbeanz is right and these individuals should be released. What exactly is your objection to that?

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My objection is that by logic they should make peace green in their homelands like US oe UK or whatever first, then go bug mother Russia.

BEside, as a believe, I do not accept this "greenpeace" movement shit
One "great" example is the global warming crap which came from the west

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My objection is that by logic they should make peace green in their homelands like US oe UK or whatever first, then go bug mother Russia.

BEside, as a believe, I do not accept this "greenpeace" movement shit
One "great" example is the global warming crap which came from the west

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So, you believe it is perfectly fine to lock people up as pirates when they are not pirates and that science is simply making things up.

Don't you find it ironic that you follow a book written by men which is full of fairy stories and magic, and then in turn just flat out refute science, which is based upon testing, analysis, and reason?

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I didn't see this thread earlier and it just caught my attention because of angry old Semin there. Greenbeanz is right and these individuals should be released. What exactly is your objection to that?

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My objection is that by logic they should make peace green in their homelands like US oe UK or whatever first, then go bug mother Russia.

BEside, as a believe, I do not accept this "greenpeace" movement shit
One "great" example is the global warming crap which came from the west

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So, you believe it is perfectly fine to lock people up as pirates when they are not pirates and that science is simply making things up.

Don't you find it ironic that you follow a book written by men which is full of fairy stories and magic, and then in turn just flat out refute science, which is based upon testing, analysis, and reason?

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I do know where you live, UK or US, but something tells me if I enter the territory of these countries on a boat and start bugging some oil rig, they won't lock me up, they will just kill me straight away. So Russia is very mercifull to these people

Generally speaking I don't think Britain nor America are known for killing members of Greenpeace. Now if we are talking illegal kidnapping, overseas assassination of alleged baddies, droning, wantonly killing people in random countries etc, then America in particular is a mastermind. However, Greenpeace activists seldom get murdered. You certainly don't lock them up as pirates when they are no such thing. Greenpeace is a resistance to the tyranny of oil and environmental catastrophe and on that basis should not be locked up as if they were terrorists (as if the term means anything anymore). If any nation is guilty of actually slaughtering activists on ships then Israel wins that rather unseemly award. The UK and America generally stick to killing poor Arabs rather than their own conscientious activists.

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My objection is that by logic they should make peace green in their homelands like US oe UK or whatever first, then go bug mother Russia.

BEside, as a believe, I do not accept this "greenpeace" movement shit
One "great" example is the global warming crap which came from the west

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So, you believe it is perfectly fine to lock people up as pirates when they are not pirates and that science is simply making things up.

Don't you find it ironic that you follow a book written by men which is full of fairy stories and magic, and then in turn just flat out refute science, which is based upon testing, analysis, and reason?

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I do know where you live, UK or US, but something tells me if I enter the territory of these countries on a boat and start bugging some oil rig, they won't lock me up, they will just kill me straight away. So Russia is very mercifull to these people

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They dont kill anyone outright, but you wish they did after they tape electrodes to your reproductive system to find out if you work for the G Kremlin ;D.

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We can all do something to make a difference. Don't just let them be another face on the news. It takes seconds and can be done in less time than it takes to roll one up or make a cup of tea. Click on the link below and then hit the orange TAKE ACTION NOW button and send a message to those who think they can do what they like to your planet. TELL RUSSIA - RELEASE THE GREENPEACE ACTIVISTS.




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We can all do something to make a difference. Don't just let them be another face on the news. It takes seconds and can be done in less time than it takes to roll one up or make a cup of tea. Click on the link below and then hit the orange TAKE ACTION NOW button and send a message to those who think they can do what they like to your planet. TELL RUSSIA - RELEASE THE GREENPEACE ACTIVISTS.




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You are bunch of hypocrites
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Jesus can save the earth from all problems including famine and polution, all attempts of human kind to save themselves are not needed
People hands are too small to solve real problems
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My objection is that by logic they should make peace green in their homelands like US oe UK or whatever first, then go bug mother Russia.

BEside, as a believe, I do not accept this "greenpeace" movement shit
One "great" example is the global warming crap which came from the west

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So, you believe it is perfectly fine to lock people up as pirates when they are not pirates and that science is simply making things up.

Don't you find it ironic that you follow a book written by men which is full of fairy stories and magic, and then in turn just flat out refute science, which is based upon testing, analysis, and reason?

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I do know where you live, UK or US, but something tells me if I enter the territory of these countries on a boat and start bugging some oil rig, they won't lock me up, they will just kill me straight away. So Russia is very mercifull to these people

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To be fair chief , having read most of your posts , if I was running the show , you wouldn't even need to be bugging an oil rig in a boat for us to to shoot you , we would come and find you to do it. ;)

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We can all do something to make a difference. Don't just let them be another face on the news. It takes seconds and can be done in less time than it takes to roll one up or make a cup of tea. Click on the link below and then hit the orange TAKE ACTION NOW button and send a message to those who think they can do what they like to your planet. TELL RUSSIA - RELEASE THE GREENPEACE ACTIVISTS.




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Jesus can save the earth from all problems including famine and polution, all attempts of human kind to save themselves are not needed
People hands are too small to solve real problems
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What a cop out. It's OK Daddy will sort everything I can just trash the house and not bother cleaning up after myself. Does not matter if people starve to death it's not me after all and Daddy will sort it out.

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We can all do something to make a difference. Don't just let them be another face on the news. It takes seconds and can be done in less time than it takes to roll one up or make a cup of tea. Click on the link below and then hit the orange TAKE ACTION NOW button and send a message to those who think they can do what they like to your planet. TELL RUSSIA - RELEASE THE GREENPEACE ACTIVISTS.




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Jesus can save the earth from all problems including famine and polution, all attempts of human kind to save themselves are not needed
People hands are too small to solve real problems
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What a cop out. It's OK Daddy will sort everything I can just trash the house and not bother cleaning up after myself. Does not matter if people starve to death it's not me after all and Daddy will sort it out.

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This is not my problem that you understand things too plainly
You can pervert even simple statement if you really not into getting the understanding
No point discussing it with you

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We can all do something to make a difference. Don't just let them be another face on the news. It takes seconds and can be done in less time than it takes to roll one up or make a cup of tea. Click on the link below and then hit the orange TAKE ACTION NOW button and send a message to those who think they can do what they like to your planet. TELL RUSSIA - RELEASE THE GREENPEACE ACTIVISTS.




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Jesus can save the earth from all problems including famine and polution, all attempts of human kind to save themselves are not needed
People hands are too small to solve real problems
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Yeshua, would not agree with that analogy for Earthly matters. He said you get what you earn and you die by what you live by, which means change or go by the same way you choose. Same with judgment of others;you get judged by the same measurement (rod)you judge others by. He also said not all who call on my name will be saved;that also points to real action and compassion for others being the true way, for the true believers.

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We can all do something to make a difference. Don't just let them be another face on the news. It takes seconds and can be done in less time than it takes to roll one up or make a cup of tea. Click on the link below and then hit the orange TAKE ACTION NOW button and send a message to those who think they can do what they like to your planet. TELL RUSSIA - RELEASE THE GREENPEACE ACTIVISTS.




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Jesus can save the earth from all problems including famine and polution, all attempts of human kind to save themselves are not needed
People hands are too small to solve real problems
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What a cop out. It's OK Daddy will sort everything I can just trash the house and not bother cleaning up after myself. Does not matter if people starve to death it's not me after all and Daddy will sort it out.

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This is not my problem that you understand things too plainly
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By your one rule applies to everything for spirit and also for earth belief; people here are seeing you in a not so self justified light within Christianity:

A bit like this situation: If man is down a hole in the desert do you think it is the will of the Father and leave him there? Or do you lean down and hold out your hand and say brother let me help you out of there, this is not right you should suffer this?

What is the difference between this situation and peaceful people being locked up for false charges of piracy?

The trouble with activism is that there are to many activists. Greenpeace is as big a multinational as those it protests against. It fuels them lol as it did the boat motors and expense they committed to which allowed the protest. Its the very reason Watson quit and the very reason I quit the Sierra Club 25 years ago. Walmart activism. The fossil fuel war ends with the supply. Same with drugs. It remains to be seen whether we witness either.

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The trouble with activism is that there are to many activists. Greenpeace is as big a multinational as those it protests against. It fuels them lol as it did the boat motors and expense they committed to which allowed the protest. Its the very reason Watson quit and the very reason I quit the Sierra Club 25 years ago. Walmart activism. The fossil fuel war ends with the supply. Same with drugs. It remains to be seen whether we witness either.

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Watson and Sea shepherd, gotta love that action its for real; now that can be seen as piracy of sorts.

But Green peace? Like you say, they are far from it, even lame.

Sounds like this piracy action is a legal manipulation from business insiders to drain Greenpeace funds so the same big business can go onto plunder natural reserves unheeded. I bet down the track the lawyers, politicians police etc that keep Greenpeace off their backs will get their big kick backs or future funding taken care of.

there is crazy shit going on in the seas. Japanese with their mile long nets catching anything that gets in its way. The Chinese do the same but they also catch sharks, cut off their fins and throw them back in the sea to drown. Shark fin soup is big in China, I regret to say I had some when I was in China, I just wanted to see what the hype was. I don't know enough about Greenpeace to comment on them but at least they gather evidence about these dastardly deeds many of these countries are doing.

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I do not know about the spiritual background of these "peacefull" people, so I cannot argue here
However, if they believe in the almighty God, they would not bother with this "attempts" to make the corrupted earth better by default or definition of "almighty"

Besides, it is just very naive to believe in "openheartedness" of western, ungodly, money driven people and accept their motives as 100% true

That is a ridiculous statement under the circumstances and then you go on to judge all in the west under one heading, that is not just.

Ill ask you again cause i dont think you got it:

If man is down a hole in the desert do you think it is the will of the Father and leave him there or do you lean down and hold out your hand and say brother let me help you out of there?

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Bible promises that "all things work together for good in the life of a believer", though "the things" separetely might not be good. If joseph brothers did not put him into the hole ... he might not end up as the second man in Egypt. God used all shit in his life to promote him

lasr but not leasr, God is good and all the time, there is none good but God

@NVSemin IF GOD IS GOOD YOU WISHFUL THINKER YOU---------

How good is it to kill 200 thousand people in an earthquake?
how good is it to annihilate 240 thousand people in a cyclone?
how good is it to sit back and watch the Nazis exterminate 6 million Jews?

Yeah I see how Jesus has really saved this world.

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they did not call upon Jesus help since most of the do not accept him
When things got tougher in the end times, they will turn to Jesus and he will save them

At least get his name right, it was Yeshua.
Oh and while we are at it, Gods Sabbath was and is always on a Saturday.
Rome via the modern Pauline style of Christianity after 300ad changed that for you into Sunday.

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Bible promises that "all things work together for good in the life of a believer", though "the things" separetely might not be good. If joseph brothers did not put him into the hole ... he might not end up as the second man in Egypt. God used all shit in his life to promote him

lasr but not leasr, God is good and all the time, there is none good but God

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I asked as a Christian,would you help someone out of a hole or would you leave them there thinking it is the will of God.

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Bible promises that "all things work together for good in the life of a believer", though "the things" separetely might not be good. If joseph brothers did not put him into the hole ... he might not end up as the second man in Egypt. God used all shit in his life to promote him

lasr but not leasr, God is good and all the time, there is none good but God

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I asked as a Christian,would you help someone out of a hole or would you leave them there thinking it is the will of God.

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About Sabbath - since we are no longer under "The Law", it does not matter when it is actually anymore. Nobody needs to keep it
Exact name of Jesus also does not matter, since christianity is not a "religion", but relationship with God,
formality is dagerous

Second, question. I do not have to do it to please God. But if I really can intervene and help, I might, though the chance is little. Happy now? I believe a prayer is the best weapon

Last but not least, we christian have the holy spirit that leads us. There are no ''rules", sometimes it is better to leave the man in the hole, sometimes - better save him. Christians live life, not follow rules and guidances :p

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Yeshua, would not agree with that analogy for Earthly matters. He said you get what you earn and you die by what you live by, which means change or go by the same way you choose. Same with judgment of others;you get judged by the same measurement (rod)you judge others by.

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you take so many stuff out of context. Ask yourself first who he was talking to? He told all these to law-keeping Jews to show that if they want to earn righteousness by the law -keeping - there are no compromises and it gets really hard: "you get what you earn and you die by what you live by, which means change or go by the same way you choose. Same with judgment of others;you get judged by the same measurement (rod)you judge others by".

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He also said not all who call on my name will be saved;that also points to real action and compassion for others being the true way, for the true believers.

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Bullshit. Salvation is only through faith. However, once you get on the right track with God, the fruits of it (not works of it) will be compassion and other nice things

The Roman take over of Christianity was some 300 years after Yeshua walked the Earth. Their rules are the ones modern Christianity still goes by, not the original way of Yeshua who stated love now rules over law.

They took the new testaments original letters and scripts aside and omitted and added to its content during the council of Nicosia, thats a fact.

At that closing they also made a new law that unless you worshiped in the way they worshiped on the days they worshiped and by their new scripts, then you would be dead to them and to God and they would see to it and to all your business and property including all your family members. That is fear that is not Love.Fear is the reverse to love.

That is exactly what these Sunday worshipers inflicted onto millions, then and for many centuries after they burned and killed God loving Christians at the stake,tortured people who dared to worship God in any other way but their (Fear God) the false anti Christ way.

That is the murdering, cash hungry lust for control over others, foundation 90% of modern churches are built upon you go by the exact same scriptures they changed for you. Its is factual history what they have done to the religion of love.

God is Love, that is exactly what Yeshua pointed to.

You are meant to by that same love, want to help a person out of a hole its up to them if they reach for your hand.

Green peace activists are in a hole made by another false law.

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Bullshit. Salvation is only through faith. However, once you get on the right track with God, the fruits of it (not works of it) will be compassion and other nice things

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Matthew 7:21 – “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven …”

Dont you think that is because those ones who only call on the name, dont walk the walk, they are all talk no action?

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The Roman take over of Christianity was some 300 years after Yeshua walked the Earth. Their rules are the ones modern Christianity still goes by, not the original way of Yeshua who stated love now rules over law.

They took the new testaments original letters and scripts aside and omitted and added to its content during the council of Nicosia, thats a fact.

At that closing they also made a new law that unless you worshiped in the way they worshiped on the days they worshiped and by their new scripts, then you would be dead to them and to God and they would see to it and to all your business and property including all your family members. That is fear that is not Love.Fear is the reverse to love.

That is exactly what these Sunday worshipers inflicted onto millions, then and for many centuries after they burned and killed God loving Christians at the stake,tortured people who dared to worship God in any other way but their (Fear God) the false anti Christ way.

That is the murdering, cash hungry lust for control over others, foundation 90% of modern churches are built upon you go by the exact same scriptures they changed for you. Its is factual history what they have done to the religion of love.

God is Love, that is exactly what Yeshua pointed to.

You are meant to by that same love, want to help a person out of a hole its up to them if they reach for your hand.

Green peace activists are in a hole made by another false law.

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The council of Nicea omitted books that were dated hundreds of years after Christ. They tried to find the books written close to the time of Christ. All the books that were not accepted are still available for reading today.
I don't like to get too far into the religious debates here but you brought up the Catholic Church so I will pipe in for a minute, hopefully with respect.
When you talk about reaching out to help, the Catholic church, with all of her problems and scandals, has been a tremendous provider of humanitarian works for 2000 years. I could reference several things but I won't as I know the anti religious would rather not hear it. No, I am not in denial of the tragedy, those are not failings of God, those are failings of man. The Church has had people who have had tremendous positive influence on the world for thousands of years. I like your posts Andre so I am not looking to argue, I just wanted to get that out.

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The Roman take over of Christianity was some 300 years after Yeshua walked the Earth. Their rules are the ones modern Christianity still goes by, not the original way of Yeshua who stated love now rules over law.

They took the new testaments original letters and scripts aside and omitted and added to its content during the council of Nicosia, thats a fact.

At that closing they also made a new law that unless you worshiped in the way they worshiped on the days they worshiped and by their new scripts, then you would be dead to them and to God and they would see to it and to all your business and property including all your family members. That is fear that is not Love.Fear is the reverse to love.

That is exactly what these Sunday worshipers inflicted onto millions, then and for many centuries after they burned and killed God loving Christians at the stake,tortured people who dared to worship God in any other way but their (Fear God) the false anti Christ way.

That is the murdering, cash hungry lust for control over others, foundation 90% of modern churches are built upon you go by the exact same scriptures they changed for you. Its is factual history what they have done to the religion of love.

God is Love, that is exactly what Yeshua pointed to.

You are meant to by that same love, want to help a person out of a hole its up to them if they reach for your hand.

Green peace activists are in a hole made by another false law.

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The council of Nicea omitted books that were dated hundreds of years after Christ. They tried to find the books written closets to the time of Christ. All the books that were not accepted are still available for reading today.
I don't like to get too far into the religious debates here but you brought up the Catholic Church so I will pipe in for a minute, hopefully with respect.
When you talk about reaching out to help, the Catholic church, with all of her problems and scandals, has been a tremendous provider of humanitarian works for 2000 years. I could reference several things but I won't as I know the anti religious would rather not hear it. No, I am not in denial of the tragedy, those are not failings of God, those are failings of man. The Church has had people who have had tremendous positive influence on the world for thousands of years. I like your posts Andre so I am not looking to argue, I just wanted to get that out.

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I agree there are wonderful people within the Catholic church, I work along side many of them on neutral ground. But in one section, over in Africa the hierarchy of the Catholic church got us shunned out of a resort that they apparently co owned, because we do healing/prayer work with kids in villages the original Christian way for free, not their way or through them.

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The Roman take over of Christianity was some 300 years after Yeshua walked the Earth. Their rules are the ones modern Christianity still goes by, not the original way of Yeshua who stated love now rules over law.

They took the new testaments original letters and scripts aside and omitted and added to its content during the council of Nicosia, thats a fact.

At that closing they also made a new law that unless you worshiped in the way they worshiped on the days they worshiped and by their new scripts, then you would be dead to them and to God and they would see to it and to all your business and property including all your family members. That is fear that is not Love.Fear is the reverse to love.

That is exactly what these Sunday worshipers inflicted onto millions, then and for many centuries after they burned and killed God loving Christians at the stake,tortured people who dared to worship God in any other way but their (Fear God) the false anti Christ way.

That is the murdering, cash hungry lust for control over others, foundation 90% of modern churches are built upon you go by the exact same scriptures they changed for you. Its is factual history what they have done to the religion of love.

God is Love, that is exactly what Yeshua pointed to.

You are meant to by that same love, want to help a person out of a hole its up to them if they reach for your hand.

Green peace activists are in a hole made by another false law.

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The council of Nicea omitted books that were dated hundreds of years after Christ. They tried to find the books written closets to the time of Christ. All the books that were not accepted are still available for reading today.
I don't like to get too far into the religious debates here but you brought up the Catholic Church so I will pipe in for a minute, hopefully with respect.
When you talk about reaching out to help, the Catholic church, with all of her problems and scandals, has been a tremendous provider of humanitarian works for 2000 years. I could reference several things but I won't as I know the anti religious would rather not hear it. No, I am not in denial of the tragedy, those are not failings of God, those are failings of man. The Church has had people who have had tremendous positive influence on the world for thousands of years. I like your posts Andre so I am not looking to argue, I just wanted to get that out.

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I agree there are wonderful people within the Catholic church, I work along side many of them on neutral ground. But in one section, over in Africa the hierarchy of the Catholic church got us shunned out of a resort that they apparently co owned, because we do healing/prayer work with kids in villages the original Christian way for free, not their way or through them.

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Thanks, I expected the usual "bunch of pedophiles" response. I am interested to hear what it is you do. I don't like to come here and argue of these matters as I enjoy the boxing aspects and the too and fro on the serious stuff takes away from the enjoyment. On a positive side, the arguments about boxing, nationalities and other matters around here are priceless. Some of the funniest things I've come across.

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The Roman take over of Christianity was some 300 years after Yeshua walked the Earth. Their rules are the ones modern Christianity still goes by, not the original way of Yeshua who stated love now rules over law.

They took the new testaments original letters and scripts aside and omitted and added to its content during the council of Nicosia, thats a fact.

At that closing they also made a new law that unless you worshiped in the way they worshiped on the days they worshiped and by their new scripts, then you would be dead to them and to God and they would see to it and to all your business and property including all your family members. That is fear that is not Love.Fear is the reverse to love.

That is exactly what these Sunday worshipers inflicted onto millions, then and for many centuries after they burned and killed God loving Christians at the stake,tortured people who dared to worship God in any other way but their (Fear God) the false anti Christ way.

That is the murdering, cash hungry lust for control over others, foundation 90% of modern churches are built upon you go by the exact same scriptures they changed for you. Its is factual history what they have done to the religion of love.

God is Love, that is exactly what Yeshua pointed to.

You are meant to by that same love, want to help a person out of a hole its up to them if they reach for your hand.

Green peace activists are in a hole made by another false law.

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The council of Nicea omitted books that were dated hundreds of years after Christ. They tried to find the books written closets to the time of Christ. All the books that were not accepted are still available for reading today.
I don't like to get too far into the religious debates here but you brought up the Catholic Church so I will pipe in for a minute, hopefully with respect.
When you talk about reaching out to help, the Catholic church, with all of her problems and scandals, has been a tremendous provider of humanitarian works for 2000 years. I could reference several things but I won't as I know the anti religious would rather not hear it. No, I am not in denial of the tragedy, those are not failings of God, those are failings of man. The Church has had people who have had tremendous positive influence on the world for thousands of years. I like your posts Andre so I am not looking to argue, I just wanted to get that out.

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I agree there are wonderful people within the Catholic church, I work along side many of them on neutral ground. But in one section, over in Africa the hierarchy of the Catholic church got us shunned out of a resort that they apparently co owned, because we do healing/prayer work with kids in villages the original Christian way for free, not their way or through them.

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Thanks, I expected the usual "bunch of pedophiles" response. I am interested to hear what it is you do. I don't like to come here and argue of these matters as I enjoy the boxing aspects and the too and fro on the serious stuff takes away from the enjoyment. On a positive side, the arguments about boxing, nationalities and other matters around here are priceless. Some of the funniest things I've come across.

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Actually, I can be arguing prick just as much as the next guy, I think I'm just mellow lately.

I saw on the news that the authorites found drugs on the ship. Not weed, but seemingly harder stuff. If this is true, then they are a bunch of dumb bastards. I've nothing against the use of drugs, but there is a time and place.

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Originally Posted by Andre

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Originally Posted by NVSemin

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Originally Posted by Andre

He also said not all who call on my name will be saved;that also points to real action and compassion for others being the true way, for the true believers.

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Bullshit. Salvation is only through faith. However, once you get on the right track with God, the fruits of it (not works of it) will be compassion and other nice things

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Matthew 7:21 – “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven …”

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I am glad that you dig for understanding, but you take stuff out of context again
The first principle is that God favors and respects faith, not person in the first place
If stone could produce faith - he would put them above us.

That quote was referring to the end times if I am not mistaken

Im not one to usually put scripture in here but you need to re read it after saying I have it out of context.

To the rest of you here, apologies: Im not going to make a habit of entering scripture into a thread.Its just I have been to bible college in the past and have done the study as have a couple of others here.

Here is the whole thing script for you so you can re study either side of the one line I suggested that you take on board in regards to judgment of the ones down the hole, so to speak.:)

It is about judgment of others, it is about action and about doing the will of God above mere talking ,spiritual work opposing demons or preaching to others whats right and wrong.

You can tell them by their fruits, is saying you can tell who is who by their works,by what they produce in life.

It says dont preach at others in judgment of them or you will be judged by the same rod you hold over them.

The only part that could be thought to about to be anything to do with end times (as you have stated) is the bit about entering into heaven.

But we all know that the same book also states 'The kingdom of heaven is within'.

That verse also goes onto say: those types who say "low it is here or it is there" are the same talkers,controllers and judgmental types and know not that it is within because they point to it being external and lead others astray.

Anyway here it is in full for you to re study.



1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.



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What is your question actually?
Lets define what do you refer to as "judgement"

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Originally Posted by Andre

Im not one to usually put scripture in here but you need to re read it after saying I have it out of context.

To the rest of you here, apologies: Im not going to make a habit of entering scripture into a thread.Its just I have been to bible college in the past and have done the study as have a couple of others here.

Here is the whole thing script for you so you can re study either side of the one line I suggested that you take on board in regards to judgment of the ones down the hole, so to speak.:)

It is about judgment of others, it is about action and about doing the will of God above mere talking ,spiritual work opposing demons or preaching to others whats right and wrong.

You can tell them by their fruits, is saying you can tell who is who by their works,by what they produce in life.

It says dont preach at others in judgment of them or you will be judged by the same rod you hold over them.

The only part that could be thought to about to be anything to do with end times (as you have stated) is the bit about entering into heaven.

But we all know that the same book also states 'The kingdom of heaven is within'.

That verse also goes onto say: those types who say "low it is here or it is there" are the same talkers,controllers and judgmental types and know not that it is within because they point to it being external and lead others astray.

Anyway here it is in full for you to re study.



1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.



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These are amongst my favorite quotes. I use number six quite often when I get in a heated discussions at times. Even for the non believers there is profound thought in the Bible.

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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

We can all do something to make a difference. Don't just let them be another face on the news. It takes seconds and can be done in less time than it takes to roll one up or make a cup of tea. Click on the link below and then hit the orange TAKE ACTION NOW button and send a message to those who think they can do what they like to your planet. TELL RUSSIA - RELEASE THE GREENPEACE ACTIVISTS.




Greenpeace UK

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You are bunch of hypocrites
I wish these GREENPEACE BEANS will be taught some lesson

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Well NVSemin you started with this quote and then got all religious on us to try and back it up.
You have a beam in your eye over what you determine is a splinter in beans. ;)

I gave up asking if you would reach down and help out another cause I got more scriptural stuff as well as unjustly stating that im taking my scriptural line that I put in out of context and it isnt.

The whole chapter I just put up right there is the exact context we are talking about. Its about doing whats right,action and producing, not talking and preaching.