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Who wins at 140?
Crawford looks every bit as fast as Broner and nearly as big considering he gained back 15 lbs last night.
Broner has the advantage in punching power, but I think Crawford is the faster, smarter fighter.
I believe Crawford could beat him.
Crawford has the tools... but he needs some serious coaching. For starters, he needs to drop that southpaw shit. It did diddly squat for him last night, and in fact made for a boring fight. As a righty, he was doubling up on the right hand, and clearly dominating Klimov. As a lefty, he looked awkward throwing the left hand..... and even caught some flush counter rights from Klimov. With good coaching, he could give Broner more than a run for his money.
I see a 12 round fight with a whole bunch of feinting and posting and very little punching. I would pass on this fight
Was there last night and the entire arena got restless throughout this fight because you had the feeling that Crawford could have gotten Klimov out of there or seriously busted him up if he would have just done a lot more countering rather than avoiding shots and posing, he needs to let his hands go a lot more cause he has the speed and reflexes to do so
So when exactly are Jayson Velez and Felix Verdejo gonna step up there comp level?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseSo when exactly are Jayson Velez and Felix Verdejo gonna step up there comp level?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I told you this already. Don't make me say things twice.
They'll be taking a page from the new-style Mexican Boxing Career Development Handbook (a la JCC Junior and Canelo).... and waiting until their 40th fight before fighting a live body.
Oops.... too late. They're already ahead of the pace set by both those hype jobs.
Rats.... :cool:
Somebody start a thread about peanut butter because I want to see if it morphs to.
This shit is becoming unbearable.
As to the fight in question I'd have to go with Broner. I think he beats anyone at 140.
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Originally Posted by IamInuit
"Anyone" would include Lucas and Danny. Correct?
You sure you're not rating Broner too highly?
And you wonder why they laugh at you. Alvarez is 23 years old. Has already beaten Trout and took a fight against the best fighter in the planet. Jayson (I can't fucking spell) Velez is 25. He just barely beat Dat Nguyen for his career best win. Let me guess. Nguyen is just as good a win as a Trout win, right? Verdejo is 20 years old and he ain't even got 10 fights. But some how there ahead of the pace? :LOLATYOU:Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseSo when exactly are Jayson Velez and Felix Verdejo gonna step up there comp level?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I told you this already. Don't make me say things twice.
They'll be taking a page from the new-style Mexican Boxing Career Development Handbook (a la JCC Junior and Canelo).... and waiting until their 40th fight before fighting a live body.
Oops.... too late. They're already ahead of the pace set by both those hype jobs.
Rats.... :cool:
I am rating him to highly I know. I think he beats those guys. Btw he looked about 180 when I saw him at the Floyd fight lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
"Anyone" would include Lucas and Danny. Correct?
You sure you're not rating Broner too highly?
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Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
"Anyone" would include Lucas and Danny. Correct?
You sure you're not rating Broner too highly?
I think Broner gets beat handily by both these guys.
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Originally Posted by IamInuitI am rating him to highly I know. I think he beats those guys. Btw he looked about 180 when I saw him at the Floyd fight lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
"Anyone" would include Lucas and Danny. Correct?
You sure you're not rating Broner too highly?
I know Lucas lost some of his invincibility luster when he lost to Garcia. But he's still got fast hands and murderous power. You think Broner can hang with Matthysse? I mean... it's boxing... anything can happen. But Broner is too full of himself right now, and hasn't gotten the beatdown that many of these fighters eventually get. Remember the young Zab Judah?
As far as Danny... he impressed the hell out of me with how he handled Lucas. I thought for sure Lucas had too much firepower for him. So if he faced Broner, I'd probably not underestimate him again.
It's what they do. You can clearly see who's at fault. One of them claims he was there in person. So he must of seen the 2 Puerto Rican prospects first hand. A simple valid question asking when they would step up there competition was not out of line. But he comes the fag trying to high-jack the thread by changing the subject and posting his usual nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Ignoring the jackass of the thread (who apparently can't keep to the topic of the actual thread or anything related to it), IMO Broner against Garcia or Matthysse is 50/50, he's shown that he's not that great of a counter puncher, so would be good to see how he deals with a real pressure fighter in the higher weights, and we'll see just this against Maidana
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Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitI am rating him to highly I know. I think he beats those guys. Btw he looked about 180 when I saw him at the Floyd fight lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
"Anyone" would include Lucas and Danny. Correct?
You sure you're not rating Broner too highly?
I know Lucas lost some of his invincibility luster when he lost to Garcia. But he's still got fast hands and murderous power. You think Broner can hang with Matthysse? I mean... it's boxing... anything can happen. But Broner is too full of himself right now, and hasn't gotten the beatdown that many of these fighters eventually get. Remember the young Zab Judah?
As far as Danny... he impressed the hell out of me with how he handled Lucas. I thought for sure Lucas had too much firepower for him. So if he faced Broner, I'd probably not underestimate him again.
Broner is more style than substance, I think. He may still prove me wrong... but he didn't overly impress in his previous outing against an undersized opponent.
Verdejo has been a pro for 1 yr and ALREADY has 8 pro bouts in, he looked very impressive last night showing speed, power, and patienceQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseIt's what they do. You can clearly see who's at fault. One of them claims he was there in person. So he must of seen the 2 Puerto Rican prospects first hand. A simple valid question asking when they would step up there competition was not out of line. But he comes the fag trying to high-jack the thread by changing the subject and posting his usual nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Velez showed that he can deal with rough house tactics seeing how Dat just kept rushing in with his head and hugging on the inside, he had him hurt a couple times, but the only "KD" was when Velez was off balance his gloves touched the canvas, apart from that he dominated the fight
Moises Carasquillo Jr looked equally as good, but might want to move down in weight
that being said, it has nothing to do with the topic of this thread, so you're right, it's clear who's at fault, your ass, as usual...
i think that broner beats crawford. both are still a bit raw, but i feel like broner is a little more polished. i think it will be hard to outbox broner because he is fast and has good power. his weakness is definitely when somebody pressures him effectively like paulie or de leon. i dont think crawford would use pressure therefore i think he loses.
and i think that garcia and matthysse both beat broner. i think that once he feels their power, he backs off a lot and stops throwing.
;D I'm having trouble keeping up with you. I dont think Lucas fights Garcia the same way the second time. I think he boxes more then looking for the big shot. Btw I think Lucas would be tougher for Broner then Garcia.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitI am rating him to highly I know. I think he beats those guys. Btw he looked about 180 when I saw him at the Floyd fight lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
"Anyone" would include Lucas and Danny. Correct?
You sure you're not rating Broner too highly?
I know Lucas lost some of his invincibility luster when he lost to Garcia. But he's still got fast hands and murderous power. You think Broner can hang with Matthysse? I mean... it's boxing... anything can happen. But Broner is too full of himself right now, and hasn't gotten the beatdown that many of these fighters eventually get. Remember the young Zab Judah?
As far as Danny... he impressed the hell out of me with how he handled Lucas. I thought for sure Lucas had too much firepower for him. So if he faced Broner, I'd probably not underestimate him again.
Broner is more style than substance, I think. He may still prove me wrong... but he didn't overly impress in his previous outing against an undersized opponent.
I think to this point that is true. He's got an odd style behind that shoulder and an extra wide flat footed stance. The light punching speedy angle using movers seem to have the blueprint. Trouble is nobody other then them fight that way.Quote:
Broner is more style than substance
Crawford beats broner I have no doubt about it.. i would put down 5k on on crawford, thats how sure I am.
True Canelo is 23 and fought the best p4p 1 fighter. And I guess Canelo took a page from Wilfredo Benitez if you want to be technical about it. He was like 24-0 fighting guys that were 2-0 and 26-11-4 right up until he fought Cervantes for the title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseAnd you wonder why they laugh at you. Alvarez is 23 years old. Has already beaten Trout and took a fight against the best fighter in the planet. Jayson (I can't fucking spell) Velez is 25. He just barely beat Dat Nguyen for his career best win. Let me guess. Nguyen is just as good a win as a Trout win, right? Verdejo is 20 years old and he ain't even got 10 fights. But some how there ahead of the pace? :LOLATYOU:Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseSo when exactly are Jayson Velez and Felix Verdejo gonna step up there comp level?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I told you this already. Don't make me say things twice.
They'll be taking a page from the new-style Mexican Boxing Career Development Handbook (a la JCC Junior and Canelo).... and waiting until their 40th fight before fighting a live body.
Oops.... too late. They're already ahead of the pace set by both those hype jobs.
Rats.... :cool:
Oh but he was a young fighter right? lol
Canelo was what 16 when he went pro and 20 when he won his first title right? Benitez was 14 when he went pro and 17 when he WON his first world title, neither guy had amateur experience so how are you really comparing the two when you're just proving that Benitez stepped up without the need of padding his record up with another 20 nobodies while claiming to be picking up experience :-\, Cervantes was better than M. Hatton, who at that point was Alravez' best opponentQuote:
Originally Posted by outspokenTrue Canelo is 23 and fought the best p4p 1 fighter. And I guess Canelo took a page from Wilfredo Benitez if you want to be technical about it. He was like 24-0 fighting guys that were 2-0 and 26-11-4 right up until he fought Cervantes for the title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseAnd you wonder why they laugh at you. Alvarez is 23 years old. Has already beaten Trout and took a fight against the best fighter in the planet. Jayson (I can't fucking spell) Velez is 25. He just barely beat Dat Nguyen for his career best win. Let me guess. Nguyen is just as good a win as a Trout win, right? Verdejo is 20 years old and he ain't even got 10 fights. But some how there ahead of the pace? :LOLATYOU:Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseSo when exactly are Jayson Velez and Felix Verdejo gonna step up there comp level?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I told you this already. Don't make me say things twice.
They'll be taking a page from the new-style Mexican Boxing Career Development Handbook (a la JCC Junior and Canelo).... and waiting until their 40th fight before fighting a live body.
Oops.... too late. They're already ahead of the pace set by both those hype jobs.
Rats.... :cool:
Oh but he was a young fighter right? lol
back to the thread's topic, Broner IMO isn't as technically skilled as Crawford and both guys are gun shy at times so probably would be boring as fuck, Broner is the type of fighter who's probably gonna struggle more with pressure fighters than with other technical fighters
They ducked the Velez and Verdejo competition questionQuote:
Originally Posted by outspokenTrue Canelo is 23 and fought the best p4p 1 fighter. And I guess Canelo took a page from Wilfredo Benitez if you want to be technical about it. He was like 24-0 fighting guys that were 2-0 and 26-11-4 right up until he fought Cervantes for the title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseAnd you wonder why they laugh at you. Alvarez is 23 years old. Has already beaten Trout and took a fight against the best fighter in the planet. Jayson (I can't fucking spell) Velez is 25. He just barely beat Dat Nguyen for his career best win. Let me guess. Nguyen is just as good a win as a Trout win, right? Verdejo is 20 years old and he ain't even got 10 fights. But some how there ahead of the pace? :LOLATYOU:Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseSo when exactly are Jayson Velez and Felix Verdejo gonna step up there comp level?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I told you this already. Don't make me say things twice.
They'll be taking a page from the new-style Mexican Boxing Career Development Handbook (a la JCC Junior and Canelo).... and waiting until their 40th fight before fighting a live body.
Oops.... too late. They're already ahead of the pace set by both those hype jobs.
Rats.... :cool:
Oh but he was a young fighter right? lol
didn't duck shit, just didn't get baited into your transparent bullshit, when are Gilberto Ramirez Sanchez, fat ass Andy Ruiz Jr, Carlos Cuadras, Robert Mazanarez, and Ivan Morales gonna step it up? Julio Ceja didn't even step it up when losing to unknown McDonnell, Ivan Morales more than any of them has no excuse seeing how he was raised in the sport and his older brother is non other than Erik MoralesQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThey ducked the Velez and Verdejo competition questionQuote:
Originally Posted by outspokenTrue Canelo is 23 and fought the best p4p 1 fighter. And I guess Canelo took a page from Wilfredo Benitez if you want to be technical about it. He was like 24-0 fighting guys that were 2-0 and 26-11-4 right up until he fought Cervantes for the title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseAnd you wonder why they laugh at you. Alvarez is 23 years old. Has already beaten Trout and took a fight against the best fighter in the planet. Jayson (I can't fucking spell) Velez is 25. He just barely beat Dat Nguyen for his career best win. Let me guess. Nguyen is just as good a win as a Trout win, right? Verdejo is 20 years old and he ain't even got 10 fights. But some how there ahead of the pace? :LOLATYOU:Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseSo when exactly are Jayson Velez and Felix Verdejo gonna step up there comp level?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I told you this already. Don't make me say things twice.
They'll be taking a page from the new-style Mexican Boxing Career Development Handbook (a la JCC Junior and Canelo).... and waiting until their 40th fight before fighting a live body.
Oops.... too late. They're already ahead of the pace set by both those hype jobs.
Rats.... :cool:
Oh but he was a young fighter right? lol
Verdejo has been a pro for one year, so he's right on track, he'll slowly but surely up the competition level, seeing how the kid's abilities scream future world champ
Velez has work to be done, he takes too many punches and gets tied up easily, good fight for him is against either Ramos, Concepcion, or jump in with Hasegawa and set the record straight
IMO he's probably the weakest of the current prospects, I'd put Verdejo and Pedraza at the top
there's your answer, no cheap insults, no cheap shots, a straight un-biased answer, something you're not capable of doing
Andy Ruiz just fought fellow undefeated guy in Joe hanks and knocked em out like it was nothing.
That was actually a big step up fight for both of them and Ruiz proved to be on another level..
Who did Verdejo step up against? nobody..
Andy "Arreola's twin" Ruiz been a pro since 2009, Verdejo turned pro last year, your point it? in one year he has had 8 pro bouts, Ruiz had 20 in 4 :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
the HW division is shallow enough that Ruiz should be stepping it up against a decent known name that isn't at a world level yet, I'm not saying that you have to throw his fat ass in there with the sharks yet, but he should already be fighting guys like Mitchell, Dimitrenko, Banks, Price, Thompson, or fellow undefeated prospects Perez, Jennings, Boystov, Glazkov, or even a veteran like Chagaev who's coming off a string of wins, he's at that point in his career, Verdejo isn't
nothing about nationality, ffs I wasn't even the one who mentioned a name other than anything in relation to Crawford and Broner in this thread
I would love to see that fight. But would like to see them both mature a little more. I believe they both can be superstars in the sport.
Crawford and clean out the 135 division right now if allowed to. Would like to see him in there with the likes of Gamboa and Linares and Abril.
And although Broner got a title at 147, I believe 140 should be where he lay his hat for a while.
I would like to see him in there with Garcia, Peterson, Mattysee, Judah.
At 147 I think a number of guys can beat him . . .
Ghost
Ortiz
Bradley
Thurman
Alexander
and might lose to Shane(I'm reaching?)
well Garcia said that he's done at 140, Judah is rumored to be fighting Malignaggi in December and well that fight would probably be at 147Quote:
Originally Posted by Ant Live
It would shock me if Broner even comes back to that neighborhood of 135 as the last time I saw him he literally looked like he was in the 3rd trimester of pregnancy and laughing about his distended fat gut. It is a big jump in class for Crawford but I favor him. I really think he's much more versatile and has a much more grounded professional approach. Broners short comings have been highlighted, horse shoe wide stance, piss poor attitude in ring and to me a serious lack of backfoot and ability to adapt. But, if you stand in his wheel house he'll chew you up. I think Crawford would do very well with that accurate straight punching in and out style. Helluva match!