Re: Marquez VS Mayweather 2?
Marquez don't want no part of Money May. It would be the same outcome just like the 1st fight.
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Floyd is not big on rematches.The only reason Castillo got one is because the first fight was so close.
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I agree with you. I don't think you can compare what happened in 09 to what the fight would be like today. Yes, Floyd would probably win but I don't think it would be a blowout. I'm sure a rematch is not in Floyd's target but if the ppv #s were good for Canelo I am sure another Mexican star would be a big money maker. At this point when I watch Floyd fight I don't expect him to lose, I just want to see him face some competition for an interesting fight.
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I don't buy it. All people could talk about from the get go was weight: Floyd being the bigger man, Floyd missing weight, ect.
Floyd didn't win because he was bigger. He won because everything JMM does, PBF does better. The advantages you usually associate with the smaller guy (speed, agility, skill) all belonged to Floyd. He was the better boxer, the better counter puncher, the better everything.
JMM loses to Floyd regardless of what weight they fight at.
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IMO Floyd could have stopped him easily the first fight he pretty much let up and stopped pressing so hard after he dropped him in the 2nd, and you have to remember that in that fight Floyd was coming off of a long lay off as well, a rematch wouldn't be any different because Marquez still wouldn't be able to counter Floyd, Marquez should either A) fight the Broner/Maidana winner B.) Khan, or just retire cause he's already had a long storied career and not much left out there other being coaxed into a Pacquiao rematch :-\
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One big difference between '09 and '14 is that JMM probably won't agree to the testing.
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Marquez has made it clear that there would never be a rematch.. he is one of the few honest boxers who admitted that his style can never beat floyd.
By now, we all know that marquez is a man who keeps his words and marches to his own beat..he turned down pacman 5 for career high payday so what makes anybody think that he will rematch a guy who dominated him..
Its not even worth talking about cuz a floyd rematch is the last thing on his mind.
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Okay guys hear me out before you jump in here and reference the first fight between Marquez-Mayweather. They first fought in 09 and yes Mayweather completely dominated that fight. But you have to account for some things. Marquez jumped from lightweight all the way to 147 and then Mayweather came in 2 pounds over that limit.
A guy jumping 2 weight classes and fighting an overlimit champion you have to admit is clearly a disadvantage. Some will argue Mayweather had just came out of retirement but if you follow Mayweather you know he is ALWAYS in the gym and he was always in the gym during his 'retirement'.
Just look at what post prison Mayweather has done. This is clearly a guy who keeps himself in shape no matter what.
Marquez has gone 5-1 since. With the only loss being a controversial decision against Pacquiao who he then knocked out. He has clearly settled in at that weight adding muscle to his frame.
It's pretty clear that this Marquez would be more competitive than the undersized lightweight who came up to fight Floyd.
It's also not a crazy thing to say he's 6-0 after Floyd. If he was to beat Bradley who is a top talent in the division, is this not a fight that would interest you?
At the very least you have to admit that he has some what earn his way to at least be considered.
I feel that Marquez, Cotto would be about the only competitive fights for him at 147. I know Cotto still has to earn a shot maybe Cotto-Marquez for a Mayweather rematch ... that could be big? and who's to argue the winner does not deserve a shot.
I'm not looking over Bradley but I just think Bradley is not on Marquez's level and to top it off I'm skeptical that Bradley is not even the same fighter. Come on a guy that slurs his words and has trouble with speech till after two months from his fight has to seriously consider his health.
I don't buy the Khan-Mayweather, Garcia-Mayweather fights as being competitive. I'd probably rather watch Mayweather-Pacquiao before those.. But right now I believe Marquez-Cotto to be Mayweathers best suited rival.
Mayweather never came in 2 pounds over 147. He came in 2 pounds over the catchweight of 144 so he came in at 146. And even Marquez said he didn't want a Mayweather rematch because of how the fight went. Dude he had one of the best counter punchers of all time whiffing on a regular basis. Weight actually had nothing to do with that win. Mayweather beat him at all the smaller guy things. As one poster said...everything Marquez does Mayweather does better. Its true. Marquez now knows its a terrible style and situational match up. Out timing/out countering Mayweather??? I do agree with your point that a win over Bradley makes Marquez the most deserving but the man got shut out. Hard to sell that at $65+ per on PPV.
Re: Marquez VS Mayweather 2?
There is no reason for a rematch. Marquez knocking out Manny after 4 tries is not relevant.
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There is no reason for a rematch. Marquez knocking out Manny after 4 tries is not relevant.
agreed unless he just obliterates bradley in dominating fashion and then like 2 more big names at that point he may have fought himself into a rematch, not that i'd want to see it or that i think the outcome would be different.
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Marquez isn't better because he bulked up, he just different. He's stronger but he's slower, that won't help against a guy he can't hit. Plus muscle burns energy, I'll bet dollars to donuts he gasses first fight that gets to the championship rounds .
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Both have risen above it and no need for another go, but stature wise and numbers...I would not rule it out at all. Still think the fight was strictly about mythical "P4P" standing for Floyd and was in the works for a bit, he also came in well overweight but it was what it was. Hated that match up and thought Floyd used it to backdoor his way back into 'relevance' after long absence. I'd personally like to see Marquez take care of Bradley and call it a career.
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i understand that maybe he would have earned a rematch, BUT that doesnt mean the rematch should happen. marquez will not be able to beat mayweather. it just wont happen. if JMM doesnt retire, there are fights out there for him that will raise his stock to climb the all time ranking lists. im not saying that he will be anywhere near the top, just saying that if he beats bradley and can beat another 2 top guys, he will solidify himself as an all time great without any argument.
im actually still of the opinion that JMM and pacquiao are about equal all time whether or not anybody wants to agree with me.
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It's not possible for Marquez to beat Mayweather. Muthafukkas don't understand that Marquez success now is due more to intelligence than it is skill. Marquez has been out skilled plenty of times. He's faced stronger and faster fighters. Pacquiao owned every advantage over Marquez. He was younger. Stronger. Faster. More explosive. And had a better chin. On paper Pacquiao should of run over him. But he couldn't. Why? Cuz Marquez is one of boxings smartest fighters. If not the smartest. Top 3 no doubt. He can counter the power and speed advantages he gives up with intelligence. Intelligence-wise Pacquiao is in the top 3,000,000. No where near top 3. There's a huge gap between Marquez advance intelligence and Pacquiao's remedial intelligence. Which is why despite being out skilled he can beat Pac. Problem when facing Mayweather is he was facing a fighter who can match his boxing intelligence. Mayweather's intelligence off sets Marquez intelligence. So it becomes a battle of skills. Which Marquez loses.
Re: Marquez VS Mayweather 2?
This is kind of a moot thread since Marquez was recently asked about it and he said he didn't want a rematch as everyone saw what happened in their fight, there is no need to do it again.
Marquez Says Mayweather Rematch Not Part of His Plans - Boxing News
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Didn't read the article but refreshing to see a boxer know that they might just not be able to beat someone.
Yes saves a lot of threads, PPV money and debate. Why he took the fight in the first place I do not know.
Re: Marquez VS Mayweather 2?
[/U]Well on HBO Marquez said he is not interested in a fifth against Manny as he loves the feeling he has about number four. If he now feels differently the same could happen with his thought on Floyd. Fifty percent of a Floyd fight is probably a hundred percent more than some of his other fights. I don't know why JMM is complaining of the Fed taking thirty percent, he should be happy to pay for some of his country men here in the US illegally. Still, the Fight would come down to Floyd and he doesn't seem too interested in rematches. I still think the the ppv numbers for such a fight makes this a remote possibility.
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No. Floyd vs. Manny is that's the case. Floyd is already fighting a tainted, somewhat, Amir Khan. There is no excuse other than Arum to not make that Floyd/Manny fight. Let's pray both sides warm to the idea...
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No. Floyd vs. Manny is that's the case. Floyd is already fighting a tainted, somewhat, Amir Khan. There is no excuse other than Arum to not make that Floyd/Manny fight. Let's pray both sides warm to the idea...
Arum owns Pacquiao. Fight will never happen. Accept it.
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No. Floyd vs. Manny is that's the case. Floyd is already fighting a tainted, somewhat, Amir Khan. There is no excuse other than Arum to not make that Floyd/Manny fight. Let's pray both sides warm to the idea...
Arum owns Pacquiao. Fight will never happen. Accept it.
Plus no matter how bad he beats an average skilled Rios warrants a PBF fight. Who knows if he will be the same fighter after brutal KO. Plus if JMM KO's Bradley there definitely be no Floyd or JMM 5th fight. A win over Rios only earns a Bradley rematch regardless of Bradley outcome vs JMM.
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[/U]Well on HBO Marquez said he is not interested in a fifth against Manny as he loves the feeling he has about number four. If he now feels differently the same could happen with his thought on Floyd. Fifty percent of a Floyd fight is probably a hundred percent more than some of his other fights. I don't know why JMM is complaining of the Fed taking thirty percent, he should be happy to pay for some of his country men here in the US illegally. Still, the Fight would come down to Floyd and he doesn't seem too interested in rematches. I still think the the ppv numbers for such a fight makes this a remote possibility.
Same applies to Pac and his complaining about the same 30 percent and restitution for all the Subic bay whores that managed to screw their way into bringing in throngs of family members via our stupid horny servicemen only to divorce them later. Let's not forget about all the RN nurses with falsified purchased degrees that supposedly speak English which no one can even understand who also bring legions of family members over to the USA legally with loop holes. Yet young USA ladies are paying over a hundred thousand dollars to be able to join the job pool. 85 percent of all countries if positioned south of USA would represent the same immigration problem . Filipinos are more than tropical Mexicans. Stop being ignorant. If you are going to post racial comments keep it real..
I wonder if the 30 percent applies to Arum as well if earned monies are abroad.
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[/U]Well on HBO Marquez said he is not interested in a fifth against Manny as he loves the feeling he has about number four. If he now feels differently the same could happen with his thought on Floyd. Fifty percent of a Floyd fight is probably a hundred percent more than some of his other fights. I don't know why JMM is complaining of the Fed taking thirty percent, he should be happy to pay for some of his country men here in the US illegally. Still, the Fight would come down to Floyd and he doesn't seem too interested in rematches. I still think the the ppv numbers for such a fight makes this a remote possibility.
Same applies to Pac and his complaining about the same 30 percent and restitution for all the Subic bay whores that managed to screw their way into bringing in throngs of family members via our stupid horny servicemen only to divorce them later. Let's not forget about all the RN nurses with falsified purchased degrees that supposedly speak English which no one can even understand who also bring legions of family members over to the USA legally manipulating loop holes. Filipino = tropical Mexicans. So if you are going to post racial comments keep it real..
I wonder if the 30 percent applies to Arum as well if earned monies are abroad.
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Didn't read the article but refreshing to see a boxer know that they might just not be able to beat someone.
Yes saves a lot of threads, PPV money and debate. Why he took the fight in the first place I do not know.
Underestimated Floyd, was unaware Floyd would do such a chicken shit thing coming in at 154 rumored as he was too much of a coward to disclose what he weighed. Had no clue of difficulty of being at fighting weight for the bout . .. Looked fat. If the money is right and at 147 why not? Floyd will pull same shit come in at 152-154. JMM will ride off with large payday and know that he could not beat an ATG that was so unsure of himself that he had to resort to ill practices to gain advantage to win two bouts. KTFO of PAC and steal his large payday. Can you say show me the money May? PAC got crowned fighter of the decade prematurely and now JMM is living la vida loca.
