Man I hope he's ok. All the best to him and his family.
Magomed Abdusalamov is in Self-Induced Coma
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Man I hope he's ok. All the best to him and his family.
Magomed Abdusalamov is in Self-Induced Coma
He showed immeasurable heart in that fight. Hope he is ok.
Damn... a blot clot in the brain. I hope he makes it through this serious condition.
Rick Reeno got the title of the boxingscene article wrong (as he often does) but I see they've corrected in now to "medically-induced coma".
They need an editor just for Reeno. Terrible writing.
Hope he gets better because he showed us a great fight last night. God knows if he'll ever compete in boxing again with a blood clot though.
We love boxing, then something terrible like this happens.
It puts all this 'so and so sucks' in perspective...
It is a terrible shock for me when this sort of thing happens at Heavyweight, as I personally ignorantly believe these things happen because fighters are weight drained.
I hope everything works out well for Abdusalamov.
Dammit man! Hate hearing this but I'm hoping that heart will pull him and his family through again and it's precautionary.
I hope he pulls through OK with no lasting damage. They say it is precautionary and there are more important things than boxing for him now. Like Spicoli said, the guy has a huge heart and lets pray that helps get him through this.
Damn, something didn't seem right... He was taking a tonne of punishment and relatively speaking it didn't seem to affect him... Not visibly anyway.
One tough battle, I'm sure he'll pull through. Sounds more precautionary.
Boxing is the art of hitting without being hit. If you're going to fight in that style of walking forward face first and swinging, you're asking for trouble. There's nothing cool about getting punched in the head a lot. Hopefully he pulls through.
a medically induced coma is more than preventative. Unfortunately I have been put in one. I came out alright and I hope this gentleman does as well. Very bad situation.
Yeah, it's not something they do just in case. From what I know medically induced basically means drug induced, in that it's controlled and reversible if you take away the barbiturates or whatever they use. The idea is that the brain will require less energy so areas that weren't getting enough blood flow will have a chance to heal as the swelling goes down etc.
Incredible HW fight and hope for the best possibly recovery, but this could be pretty serious as the punishment he took certainly was.
Hoping he comes out alright and given this turn of events, and for Mago and his family's sake..... it's time to look for another line of work.
What really gets me with this kind of situation was listening to Max Kellerman and Lampley gushing about how this was how fighters should fight, how this was true skill, ect. How guys like Klitschko could learn a thing or two from guys like Magomed. It really is a bastardization of the art of boxing.
What happened last night was an entertaining BRAWL, where Magomed showed virtually no defense or head movement of any kind. A guy who decided to take punches just because he can. That's how guys end up with dementia in their early 40s, or even worse getting killed or seriously hurt in the ring.
I hope Magomed pulls through but goddamn. You can't have it both ways. You can't expect a guy to shuffle forward face first and eat flush punches to the head all night, then get sad when he gets hurt in the ring or ends up punch drunk.
You make a good point, Bean. But it's also a fine line to walk. How many classic wars have we seen down the lines of a Gatti-Ward, Corrales-Castillo..... where defense has been minimal, and the number of head punches absorbed boggle the mind? And as boxing fans we love these wars. Mago may wade in face-first, but he's hardly the only fighter to do that, and not all of them end up in a coma. As for Klitschko "learning a thing or two", can't really blame the commentators for going down that road, especially in light of the horrific stinker Wlad and Povetkin put us through recently.
Don't forget we're talking about the same network that treats Rigondeaux as if he has a disease. They are coming at it strictly from a chest thumping network pov and are doing the utmost to dumb down the sport. Still. Fans are smarter than that, and honestly we all at one time or another celebrate the violence but we ourselves will never be asked to pay the price. I don't fault a Mago for using what he has and whats worked before and I can't expect him to be something he's not, styles make the fights as they say.
LOL... self induced coma?...more like "medically induced", this happens when swelling to the brain is substancial and pressure becomes too high cutting off circulation to the brain... comas induced along with burr holes to relieve pressure... intercranial edema subsides, then fighter may be brought out...u vcan bet he'll have some kinda deficits... rehab will be needed.
For sure, luckily serious boxing injuries and deaths aren't regular occurances. But unfortunately it's getting harder to find guys who aren't punchy after their careers. Especially now with what they've learned about concussions in recent years, and the dangers of the subconcussive blows.
Of course I love the war, but when I see guys like Magomed marching foward with no defense or head movement (fuck, even Gatti could box and move his head when he wanted to), it's a little scary. Especially when you have so called expert commentators telling people "see, this is how you're supposed to fight". That kind of fighting will lead to many nights in the hospital and probably a horrible quality of life post-career.
As far as Klitschko goes, I'll never fault him for boxing safely for this reason. I do fault him with the excessive holding and fouls he pulled in his last farce though.
I get you bro.
But Klitschko to me is the epitome of why so many fans have been turned off by boxing. It's ok to box and try to "hit and not get hit." But Klitschko truly fights as if he's scared of getting tagged on that chin. So he clutches, pushes off with his mega-long arms, tangles up the opponent, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah. Luckily for him, most of his recent opponents are even more scared shitless than him, making for comical, boring fights.
IMO, Klitschko could very easily be more "offense-minded" without giving up his boxing skills and advantages. But to hell with the fans. Klitschko would rather stink up the ring by clutching and mauling than trying to be more fan-friendly.
Somewhere between Wlad and Mago, there's lots of middle ground which we as fans would love to see in the HW division.
Odd eh.Less rds plus less activity equals more injury. Given equal math comparisons, I'd bet more deaths have happened post 15 rd title fights. Now this fight notwithstanding as 99% of corners would have stopped it much earlier. Greb fought 49 times in a year. That's like 4 times a month. Boxers today are almost part time. At the top level they almost make as much with endorsements (local or otherwise) as they do fighting.
All kinds of fighters have faced no pun intended much worse the he did. Some made a career out of it. Its a throw of the dice in this business.
Is there an update on the poor guy?
what I found amusing was the bloodlust the announcers of HBO had over a brawl. Poor boxers who have to suffer because people want to see brawls instead of actual boxing display.
As for Magomed I think usually these procedures last 2-3 days as it happened with my late uncle's wife, although she had a major aneurysm.
Same as on the weight drained theory but it is very rare a Heavyweight in this condition soon after a fight, its usually a huge factor a fighter being weight drained the fluid surrounding the brain depleted due to dehydration so making the brain less protected to being shaken about.
Just one of those things really and fighters at much lighter weights often used to fight 3-4 times a month in equally brutal fights and over more rounds back in the day and not suffer at all.
Boxing is a brutal sport with the highest reward given to the guy who can , A- knock his opponent down (10-8 round) or , B- Knockout (fight over) his opponent and ultimately is what pugilism is and has always been about, if it wasn't the rules would be different. , The Russian chose to fight that way or was trained badly to ;-) and had no defence at all, suffered a broken hand and nose ,was badly swollen about the face and was repeatedly asking his corner if he was injured during rounds... thats shit cornermen imo and maybe they should have thrown in the towel.
I admire the sweet science , whipping him on points etc side of the sport but I think when it really comes down it the majority of real fight fans wanna see a proper tear up .
I know I do.
Strange how a thread I started about Francisco Leal dying after some seriously suspect aftercare by the ref/paramedics recieves no attention at all.
The guy was visibly dying live on tv slumped against the ringpost ;-)
Whats more brutal... seeing that or a 10 round slugfest?
That's true, but that being said how many of those fights were against absolute pushovers who didn't really have the skill to touch him? There's no way he fought 49 world beaters a year. A lot of those were stay busy type fights I'd say, little more than sparring.
I love to see a war, boxing is a brutal game and guys are gonna end up getting fucked up no matter what you do. I love Ali/Frazier because it was two elite guys forced into a war.
With Magomed, he was in a war because he was unskilled. It's like asking Nascar drivers to drive drunk to make it more entertaining. I think being in a war for the sake of being in a war is retarded. If it's genuine where it's the strategy like a Hearns/Hagler, I love it.
Fingers crossed for the next 48 hours for the big fella.
Yup, and we get the "Why doesn't Wlad fight like that?" bitching and complaining....well there's your answer right there. NEVER has a fighter been hurt by a punch that DIDN'T make contact with his head. Willie Pep fought over 240 fights and lived to the ripe old age of 84 specifically because he didn't get hit all that often.
I hope Magomed pulls through alright.
Yes it's possible to have entertaining fights where no irreparable damage is done, but there's a correlation between the amount of damage you take and how long your career will last. The more damage you take the shorter you'll be around.
Top quality discussion in this thread. Nothing to add apart from thoughts and prayers with Abdusalamov.
this man is a warrior born, and a credit to heavyweight boxing today!!!! such fire and determination. He is ten times the warrior a lame MF'ing heavyweight like Wlad Klit is~!!!! I pray that he will be ok. this truly sucks!!!
I don't ever remember Perez having that kind of power!?!? When injuries like that happen against guys you know have the capacity to take it, my mind always runs on Panama Lewis and the whole Resto/Collins incident.
yeah and what did being a warrior get Hagler, chavez, ward, marciano, gatti, frazier, robinson, ali, etc, etc???....lol.
shit happens in this sport! while unskilled in the defensive scared running style of boxing, Mago's efforts were more exciting than wlads last 8 fights put together:)
are u actually saying its better to have a big ole scared vagina running around hugging and clinching and fouling, than a true warrior spirit in the hallowed boxing ring??? I'm pretty sure 95% of the people on here, would want to see the exciting brawl between two warriors instead of Wlad Klit/David Haye performances of safety first. :D
OK first off Robinson and Ali weren't the kind of guys to take excess punishment WHEN THEY COULD AVOID IT. Later in Ali's career when he slowed down, yeah he took beating after beating after beating....that hasn't really helped him in his life after boxing.
Secondly Wladimir fights in a style that makes him successful, why would you change if all you're doing is winning? Why would you change that? The POINT of boxing or of any sport is to WIN being "entertaining" doesn't rank close to "WIN THE FIGHT" it's an afterthought. Wladimir could more than likely revert to his old face first style and still whip 90% of the heavyweights out there, but why bother when he is winning anyway? He's winning, he rarely if ever has a clean punch landed on him....it's almost unfair how easy he has made it for himself but we get these idiots wanting him to fight like Tyson :vd: ...he's not Tyson, he's not going to fight the way pissed off fans who don't understand that winning is not the most important thing it's the ONLY thing. Case in point, if Arturo Gatti BOXED more he would have won more fights, sure he was an exciting fighter but his career suffered because of his style and that is typically the case for such warriors. Hagler and Marciano are the exception to the rule....also what did being a warrior do for Frazier against Foreman? It damn near ruined him, and hell Michael Moorer fell for that "be a warrior" bullshit and Foreman got him too!
The point is WIN being a warrior is a choice and the people who usually choose to be "warriors" don't win, don't stick around, and don't enjoy a nice life after boxing is done. The admiration fades, the fans stop caring, the fans don't help struggling ex-fighters in their day to day lives. So in the end a fan's appreciation and respect only mean so much....winning is forever.
Another point which supports my position
Tommy Morrison
Warrior - TKO'd horribly by Ray Mercer
BOXER - out points George Foreman
Coincidence??? I think not
There is no line in the sand with boxing on one side and brawling on the other. People will never forget Joe Frazier and that is not just because he was a boxer. It is too simplistic to boil the argument down in such terms. Even Perez proves the point by employing head and waist movement in his relentless march forward. Winning is everything is a peculiar ideal in which apparently fouls do not exist unless awarded and anything goes except brawling? I think not. Winning may be the primary goal but it is not everything unless you reduce life down to a single espresso.
Not sure what the criticism of the HBO comms is about? They expressed exactly what I was thinking - It is an exciting fight. When they commentated on Wlad-Povetkin they again expressed exactly what I was thinking - it is a shit fight.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Without the poor big man suffering an injury the comparison between certain styles, being the cause of injuries, wouldn't even be considered a factor.
Nobody can seriously say they prefer to watch Wlad over what Perez-Mago served up.