Wow....glad we got all of THAT solved :rolleyes:
At least they got their points across right? At least they caused change right?
It's not like there were just a bunch of trustafarian zombie hippies out there enjoying "camping" :rolleyes:
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Wow....glad we got all of THAT solved :rolleyes:
At least they got their points across right? At least they caused change right?
It's not like there were just a bunch of trustafarian zombie hippies out there enjoying "camping" :rolleyes:
I dont think the majority of them knew the depth of the problem behind what they thought they were protesting about. Hairy unkempt sheep the lot of them.
Wall street and bankers cant be fixed!
Your government threw 30 trillion at them and they lost that 'somewhere' and they dont have to answer for it either. That was your tax dollars in a bail out.
Funny stuff I recon you got hairy sheep and ones in suits pointing at the hairy ones.
Hippies could not do a thing against the likes of that even if the majority of them knew about it which going by the odd interview they didnt have a clue why they were there they sounded like that Miss world contestant when asked why many Americans cant find America on a map. She answered by pointing at some third world countries about their education and some thing or another, very funny stuff; shift the blame game when you dont want to answer for something.
He she is: Presenting the new Mrs FinitoElDinamita. ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww
Andre, it wasn't about the banks, it wasn't about Wall Street, it wasn't about politicians...it was a group of people who have become disenchanted with "The American Dream". These people are SO beset by entitlement they felt as though they were PROMISED a job, PROMISED prosperity, PROMISED to succeed. They want to move the "everybody gets a trophy" mentality from childhood to adulthood.
What I was taught and what those people were protesting are 2 mutually exclusive ideas. I was taught accountability, work hard, you may not win but you always give your best, life isn't fair but you never stop trying to achieve your goals. Meanwhile their ideas are: I'm owed because I did x,y,&z, the system isn't fair, I want to grow up to go to school, I want to get paid to go to school, people that have had success have lied cheated and stolen money and they OWE me.
Which side of the isle are you on?
Wall Street isn't perfect, but Capitalism and the United States way of life allows for upward mobility like no other place on Earth. It rewards the hard workers, the innovators, the people with big ideas......what did Occupy Wall Street offer? It offered scabies, rape, drug overdoses, and gave you the chance to be a victim....is THAT what we want out of the next generation? Victims???
Here are some of those scruffy Occupy Wall Street hippies:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ymKao0fOxi...00/United3.jpg
And this is why they're demonstrating. Pilots on food stamps:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKQJx3L_CDQ
But hey, so long as a big chunk of the country can be persuaded that it's a few scruffy trusafarians instead of an increasingly large part of the population then that's great. For as long as that's possiblr it means people like me can take an ever-increasing percentage of the ever-decreasing earnings of people like you. So as long as you continue to support us we'll appreciate you. Thanks!
Now from having argued with you on here I know that there are some people you really can fool all of the time. But eventually enough of your compatriots are going to go from supporting the status quo to supporting movements that descend from Occupy. And when they reach critical mass we'll call them terrorists and use all those repressive laws you supported after 9/11 to repress any kind of Occupy movement and preserve the status quo.
Also, too. America does offer upward mobility like no other country on earth. Of all the developed countries ranked on social mobility America comes dead last.
Dead last, with socialist tyrannies like Finland and Norway coming top for social mobility! Now at this point I'd normally post a graph or a pie chart to prove my point but due to your well-known hostility to facts and evidence I've stopped posting them. Although in this particular case I've found a pie chart I think you'll be able to understand. Here it is Lyle:
http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/w...have-eaten.jpg
I've told you this before but the information has long ago fallen off the tiny shelf in your head that functions as your brain. Like I said, some of the people you really can fool all of the time.
Haha...Kirkland you really are a simpleton. Pilots on food stamps eh....well 47 MILLION people are on food stamps Kirkland so #1 I'm not surprised #2 I'm doubly not surprised that airline pilots have it tough as that's not an industry that is easy to be profitable in as the American taxpayer no doubt knows (seeing how we've had to bail those airlines out numerous times)
I am pleased as punch that YOU KirklandLaing stand side by side with your dirty ignorant hippy trust fund baby brothers and sisters for the cause of.........
Wait, what was their cause again???
and didn't those people vote FOR Obama as well? The very same Obama who brought in Wall Street fat cats like Larry Summers and crooked lobbyists to be in his cabinet?
Yeah, they REALLY changed things didn't they. It's not like under Obama that wealth inequality has gotten worse.....OH WAIT
Income Inequality Worse Under Obama Than George W. Bush
IT HAS!!!
Occupy Wall Street, was, is, and will always be stupid and pathetic. A bunch of entitled punks whining about how they can't get jobs with degrees in Music Appreciation or Gender Studies.....here's an idea OFFER SOMETHING OF VALUE AND YOU WILL GET PAID! Whether it's a new product, a way to market that product, or mere work ethic....but nah they were all bums, entitled idiotic SELFISH bums.
No side of the isle.
You are being had Lyle, you already have been had; to the exact sum I mentioned by the same people you mentioned, Wall street bankers.
That is what got more people thinking and the ball rolling, then the hippies bought into it or were invited on numbers,that was a mistake most were there for more for themselves.
I agree with what you think about them for the most part,there are a few though (not many)who self sustain without Government assistance and dont ask for more about doing less.
Out here when they are educated into the work force they have to pay back grants and loans they took to get there.Trouble is big busniess looks after their own families first in regards to positions vacant and fair enough I suppose.So these people go back into the system usually into education or out into hospitality industry over qualified. Thats a problem in deteriorating open market.
These hippies you focus on are the least of your worries though. Its a nice distraction from whats worse and its a fair reflection on your own better character and upbringing.
You are still being had.
Lyle, now I wasnt gonna retaliate but you have forced me to you fucking troll. So let me get this little tidbit of genius straight in case I have misunderstood you. You are saying that people should not bother protesting anything in life simply when you do not agree with their agenda or even their lack of one. Lyle as an American you should know we all have the right to protest and even though they were a rag-tag bunch of cappuccino-drinking wanna-be yuppies, they still had the right and for you to timply it is pointless or idiotic to exercise that right proves that YOU, my good toot-tooty suck-sucky duck-duck, are the moron. :cool: @El Kabong alias @El Hombre Loco que no puede intender
Andre the protest had no message and no effect.
Brockton, I never argued that those idiots didn't have the right to protest they just had no message and were selfish in what they wanted...a living wage??? Like you get paid to fucking BREATHE or you get paid outrageously for doing a menial job. They also wanted their college loans paid.....it's typical "everybody gets a trophy"/"You're all special snowflakes" bed wetting liberal horse shit.
George Carlin covered this when he ranted about child worship. Little Johnny never hears the truth about himself until he gets to the real world "You're fired Johnny, you suck"....those are character building moments in life and those OWS pussies can't handle it.
I seem to remember something similar happening in England where a load of twats camped out in front of St Pauls cathedral in London and told everyone that the church was capitalist because they charge £14 to attend one service even though its all free :rolleyes: With all the Occupy movements most of the people attending them don't have a clue what they're about and famous people can wear 'Occupy' shirts to look alternative and, you guessed it, make more money ;D
And wear their stupid Guy Fawkes masks without noticing the irony that Fawkes was a huge fan of the Pope.
OWS was 100% pure garbage it was dreamed up by AdBusters, funded by the same old liberal hack groups that consistently try to upset the applecart like IWW.
"I don't believe in the system MAAAAAAAN!"
Well if you like living in a house and sleeping in a bed you'll get with the fucking program, life doesn't start and stop on your fucking whim! Just a bunch of entitled brats whining that now they have completed school or are getting ready to complete school they're no longer special little snowflakes who can breeze through life just because they can memorize what's in a book. OWS was one of the most selfish things I have EVER seen in my life, kids are starving in 3rd world countries and those jackasses are getting free meals, whining about debt THEY AGREED TO PAY OFF, and whining about their degrees in Gender Studies being no good in the working world.....dumb, arrogant, audacious, selfish, cunts that's who made up the OWS movement....lazy, dirty, hippies who are unemployable because their attitudes towards work are so poor.
Theres good and bad in all groups but when a few build platforms on hatred its eventually self defeating.
I think you are just focusing on stereotypes and expressing your personal political bias by attacking the occupy people, Lyle. It was a range of people protesting and protest they should. You admitted that America is screwed yourself in the Obama thread. You know that the country has been sold out and gutted and yet here you are saying that there simply was no argument. There was an obvious and elementary argument and that was that the creation of vast inequalities of wealth far greater than what generations before have experienced is only leading to massive societal harm.
Now I agree that people shouldn't be taking out massive debt just to have a 4 year university party and that people do need to take responsibility for their own mistakes, but at the same time, I do not think these students are in any way responsible for the fucked up societies that they have inherited. People are getting away with bank robberies, war crimes, mass surveillance. Get upset with the system, and only partially blame a bunch of naive students. They didn't ask to be born or told 'go to university or else you won't get a job' etc. The problem is that they are born into a world that has very little for them. Rich Daddy's can provide a job for their son, a nobleman has his connections, but most don't really have any room for social mobility.
One shouldn't take risks and potentially create human beings as society has failed them and parents without much can do no more than instill a few manners. In Victorian society you would become a rent boy for the aristocracy. Now you become a bar tender to the bankers. Society has receded and soon little kids will be back up the chimneys with soot covered faces. Then the phoney media will condemn blackface, but ignore the more important issue of why people are sending their children up chimney's.
sense of entitlement pisses me off. nobody is entitled to shit. @El Kabong however, if we're gonna mock the hippy scum beggars, then we should mock the trillion dollar thieves at AIG or Goldman Sachs. We cant have double standards.
When we give a slice of our taxes to the unemployed all the money is circulated back into society and generates local business, they are not feathering any nests or taking any nice holidays.
The bankers on the other hand have taken their % in management fees, hidden the cash fail and their trail. They get the holidays the cars the houses in different states, their kids get the best education and the guarantee of being placed in a high end firm.
Andre plain and simple the people of the OWS movement are lazy and entitled 100% of them. Capitalism as a system works if it didn't then America wouldn't be a super power now would it?
miles, although I've taken this quote deliberately out of context it's very correct "I do not think these students are in any way responsible"....these kids have been handed a chance to be better than their parents just like any other generation. It's not an easy thing, but they must learn everyone does NOT get a trophy in the real world. There is accountability and people demanding of results out in the real world. The problem with this group of protesters is that they have been coddled, they have become used to the kiddie pool of life and are terrified of actual LIFE. They need to spread their wings, take chances, strive to be better than they were yesterday but they are so frightened of failure they put up obstacles "The game is rigged", "The system doesn't work", etc etc....they don't understand that capitalism is NOT a 0 sum game, else Pepsi couldn't last with Coca-Cola, Microsoft and Apple wouldn't last together, and so on. These kids are either scared to death or lazy and stupid. They rail against "the corporations" but they actively participate in the success of those corporations. They buy iPhones, they buy iPads, they buy Nikes, my point is they complain and inconvenience others but to what end? They are enjoying all the benefits of "the system" they hate and they and more surprisingly YOU don't see the irony there. You're smart enough to see that right? It would be like you hating the hell out of McDonald's and then going there and eating their food....you can't do BOTH or else you're a hypocrite and 100% of the OWS idiots are hypocrites.
Brockton, sure I'm against corporate welfare as well because it rigs the game. It allows politicians to pick winners and losers instead of the market/consumer picking the winners and losers. But again these kids actively participate in Capitalism, buying what they want, and then complaining about "the system" a system which PROVIDES iPhones and iPads and cool t-shirts and trendy jackets and Guy Fawkes masks....if they were truly against "the system" they'd drop out of it.....but that's too hard of a life for those little bastards and so they keep status quo while inconveniencing everyone around them. They made 0 change......none, zip, zilch, nada. And I hope they feel that failure deep in their souls every single second of the day.
This is what bugs me though. If these people are pampered etc, then surely the logical answer is not to breed them. If these people are not born then ultimately the world would be a better place without them.
People say I am extreme, I simply advocate enjoying a nice marriage and having no kids as they have no hope. If everyone did that, then the world would seemingly be in a better place. However, I actually advocate the argument as complete revolution. Nobody should have children as a political revolution.
If you have kids then you are going to create misery. If you do that, then you are selfish and fucked up. In my own way I am a visionary.
This is something I have been thinking about for a while actually. If you could only encourage an entire generation of people not to breed society would be on its hands and knees. They think they can import labour when they want, they think they can decieve the native populace, well deny them anything more. Don't have children. It's a serious revolutionary model. If everyone followed that for a generation then a country would be on its last legs in a decade or two.
Children are going to inherit really shitty lives, it is selfish to do that. Just resist and say, I am giving nothing back to this joke of a system. That is rebellion. Instead they rely on idiots breeding. That is the problem.
miles, it's not about children it's about their views which are equal parts lazy and asinine. If they had their way nobody would do any work because any benefit of work would be confiscated and redistributed among the commune. So why even try? Why strive to succeed? Why push yourself for greatness if the reward is taken from you and given to the lazy, weak minded, and weak willed? THAT is the problem. On a behavioral psychology level communism and socialism are utter crap.
I hate both the idiot spoiled whiners AND the insider-trading abusive-/shady-investing white shoe boys. I call them white shoe boys because if they commit the crime they DONT DO ANY TIME. YEAH THEY PAY A FEW MILLION IN FINES, but if you or I did that shit, hell, if we even have a drink or 2 too many, they handcuff us and off to jail we go. No slap on the wrist for us plebeians, no.
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Saw this over breakfast
Yeah it was a complete waste. I got to see it first hand here in Newfoundland. I did a short documentary on them for film school. They really didn't know what they were doing.
I think it's a big problem with the young generations. We are a bunch of lazy idealists as a whole. We have simple, nice sounding solutions for very complex problems with millions of moving parts.
And it's lazy too. Nobody wants to put the real work into actually learning the system and finding the best, most effective ways to make changes.
No, it's more fun to shout slogans into a bullhorn, hold a sign, and smoke pot.
The best example is the Guy Fawkes mask: people use this to protest against big corporations and the wealthy... but they don't even know that Time Warner owns the rights to the masks and is paid with each sale!
What we need to do in some fashion is kill about 5 billion people because the existence of the species outweighs the existence of those 5 billion.
Lawyers, politicians and Ceo's go to the front of the line.
Guy Fawkes was also a PAPIST! He wanted to blow up Parliament and get England back in the good graces of the Catholic Church.....which makes the use of his mask at Occupy or anything 'Anonymous?' :rolleyes: does the HIGHEST PEAK of buffoonery!
I went to high school with the guys running the OWS movement in my home town, and although they have a tremendous amount of book smarts, (one graduated from Harvard) they have 0 common sense and are idealistic as hell. In the real world, the world outside of academia, they are UNEMPLOYABLE to say the very least. If you asked them to make a copy, you know something simple like that, on any given day they could just say "Why don't YOU make that copy?" or "We shouldn't make that copy because it encourages deforestation" or something that audacious and that stupid. They are an impediment to work, they are lazy, they are selfish....shouldn't a guy who graduated from Harvard be out curing cancer or writing books or practicing law or doing ANYTHING of importance???? But nah, he just sat around camping for a few weeks the lazy bastard.
There were a ton of the OWS protesters who were just worthless but there were some with potential and THOSE anger me most. You have all that potential and you want to let it rot on the vine simply because you don't like the system.....soooo selfish
Kirk do you think the pilot's union is the overwhelming representative population of the OWS movement? Seems like you are trying to portray them as the face of the national OWS movement.
Those poor pilots VC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7RgEt34mA8
Here you go Kirkland, here's some Occupiers they speak in vague platitudes and look like bums.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGdH7iGNqlY
Meanwhile Peter Schiff actually looks like he could hold a job and speaks clearly and MAKES SPECIFIC POINTS!
Thanks , Ive watched the first one right through:although not the best at articulation the first two people got their points across, specially the second guy, third guy shouldnt of been interviewed he was led by the questions and got lost, if he knew anything at all:-\.
I dont think anyone knowing the weather sees them as 'dressed as bums',common sense tell us it was cold it was night,they were out in it for a few days, so they dressed to suit , the first guy was sniffing maybe the start of a cold or maybe he was on crack!
The second interviewer on the next video was great he knows what gives, he was simply pointing out Capitalism isnt their problem at all, The Goverment are their problem and by the 10 minute mark, he even agrees fully that Wall street is with the Government.
Ill get back to watching it from there.
These were great videos to put up, you should watch the content for yourself.
Im only ten minutes into the second one its very interesting the interviewer is separating himself and other big businesses from Bankers and politicians and rightly so.
I have a question that brought up: Do business owners really pay 55% tax in the States? :o
In Australia we pay 33% because that is company tax (if you have formed one) then you can divide the net income up amounts others who are subsidiaries to your company and then use all the perks however many times over for the amount of relatives or partners you have on board. Including investment properties super, health insurance,you name it even entertainment of 20 plus in a restaurant etc once or twice a year.
(Isnt it the same there)?
The rate is somewhat irrelevant to what is paid. Sure the US has one of the highest corporate tax rates but the code is so convoluted and thick that there are as many loopholes, credits, deductions etc as rules that a massive business like GE could pay nothing in corporate taxes. The real lobby there is the accountants and lawyers. If you dropped the rate to say 15% of net profits excluding the top percentiles' compensation of each corporation the real loser is the gigantic accounting firms that bill millions to save the businesses billions.
I was wondering if Peter schiff was being honest saying he employs a hundred people and pays 50% in tax?
If you are a sole trader out here and earn over a certain sum,I forget, maybe its 150,000 personal, you can pay those amounts 50% but you'd be crazy to ignore the advantages available and actually do so.
The occupy movement was hilarious. U have to admire a young person's dedication n intelligence when they protest capitalism n corporatism so vehemently while drinking their STARBUCKS coffee n wearing their GAP clothing. Too funny! I used to get offended when foreigners insulted us. Now I look at the idiots that make up the population n I understand their point.
No. What I'm saying is that there are vast numbers of people out there -- 99% of the country in fact -- who have far more in common with Occupy than they do with the people running the country. Increasingly over the next decade or three an Occupy-like movement will attract broad national support and it'll be impossible to pigeonhole them as a bunch of trustafarians or workshy people or whatever.
He pays low single digits in tax. He runs a fund and will employ a few people and subcontract a lot of say analysis work out to freelancers and have professional people like accountants and lawyers deal with the the legal/tax aspects of what he does so he's counting them and their staff as employees.