If you had control over the dog laws..what would you change to prevent this ever happening?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2487849/Leicester-girl-dies-bitten-dog-Mountsorrel.html
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If you had control over the dog laws..what would you change to prevent this ever happening?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2487849/Leicester-girl-dies-bitten-dog-Mountsorrel.html
Sad, doubt there's any legal issue over it though. Sounds like a tragic case, must have been horrific for the mom. Just looking at the picture of the poor girl next to that big ugly mutt my first thought was I would never let those two things together unsupervised under any circumstance, but I'm sure the mom really believed it was friendly. Thing is if it's a rescue dog in a new home you never know for sure. If you have small children it isn't worth a snowballs chance in hell anything could ever happen just so you can have a freaking pet as well.
Maybe there should be more onus on either the shelters or people rescuing dogs to actually know what kind of temperament the creature has before you allow it into a home with small children. Could be that the mutt should have just been shot as many of these stupid pit bulls and other aggressive breeds should be, I don't know.
Education. You are never going to prevent tragedies like this from EVER happening but you can reduce the likelihood of them occurring. Re-homing a rescue dog is not a good idead for somebody with a small child. Re-homing a rescue dog who clearly has a number of breeds in it that are all bull based with a musculature and bite that strong should again make alarm bells ring. Any dog can bite but a dog that strong and a child that small is a recipe for disaster should everything go wrong.
THIS IS NOT THE DOG THAT KILLED HER but what the hell was whoever let this situation happen thinking ?
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Any animal however loving and loyal, has a unpredictable element to it's nature. As a parent you try to protect your child from risk but you can not then introduce such an element of risk into a young child's home and be surprised when a dog you have to walk with a harness who is three times that childs weight and was originally bred for bull baiting suddenly reveals itself to be a danger.
THIS IS THE DOG THAT KILLED HER
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Exactly.. I have a big husky cross that I rescued, he's the friendliest guy in the world but he has barked at kids in parks etc before so I no longer take him there off leash( I love how this is my biggest interaction with children:-\). Wouldn't dream of letting him alone with a small kid no matter what though, if he ever bit a child in any fashion I would be half tempted to stab him myself and I'm about as sure as you can be he wouldn't do anything.
Just another reason to get a cat. I started a thread to warn everyone but no one listened. A cat might have just scratched the poor little girl to teach her a lesson. The cat is smart enough to know that a scratch and a hiss are enough to teach a person, they wouldn't feel the need to exert enough energy to maul someone. Very sad for the little girl and her family. In all seriousness perhaps it is not the wisest thing to do to leave a child unattended with a dog but that scene plays out a million times a day with no adverse effects. I can tell you one cat I had years ago became very aggressive. My neighbors actually complained to me that my cat was beating up their German Shepard. It was funny at first but he got worse and actually attacked a family member. I brought him to the vet only to find he had a brain tumor that led to his aggressiveness. I had to put him down. Moral of the story being this shit happens, love your pet but be aware
Your neighbours German Shepard was a bitch then. My dog would eat any cat smaller than a Lynx if they were in a room together, but a cat would be way more likely to do anything to a kid. If cats were the size of a bulldog they would be murderers.
To be honest I have had both cats and dogs. When a dog runs at a cat the cat usually runs away. If the cat didn't run the dog sometimes doesn't know what to do. That's when the cat takes advantage of the confusion and lands on the dog with twenty claws sticking out. I have seen happen many times. And yes, there are dogs who would continue at the cat ripping it to pieces but there are also cats that will gladly fight to the death getting the dog pretty good in the process.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
:( I was disappointed I thought this was a recipe.
Preparing Your Cat for a New Baby | ASPCA
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Originally Posted by walrusTo be honest I have had both cats and dogs. When a dog runs at a cat the cat usually runs away. If the cat didn't run the dog sometimes doesn't know what to do. That's when the cat takes advantage of the confusion and lands on the dog with twenty claws sticking out. I have seen happen many times. And yes, there are dogs who would continue at the cat ripping it to pieces but there are also cats that will gladly fight to the death getting the dog pretty good in the process.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Haha fair enough, was only being silly but that's true. My dogs very chipper and friendly but he was almost feral when they found him, had run away from an Indian reservation. I'm pretty sure he still has some serious prey drive and would literally eat a cat without confusion. He's almost 110 pounds and really lean though so not your average mutt.
Cats are responsible for the deaths of 3 billion song birds a year. This is because of irresponsible cat owners who dont like to clean a litter box. I'd catch my neighbours cats near my bird feeder all the time and scare them off but never really knew which neighbour housed them. After I got my little bear dogs they have never been back. They saw one under my deck when they were about 6 months old which was 1 and a half years ago and there has never been one near my place. The cat was lucky to make it to the fence at which point it appeared to take flight. Either one like @p4pking 's husky would kill and most likely eat part of or all of a cat. I have no wish for that to happen cause I love cats and had two that died of old age before I got my dogs. I never let them out. Not just because of birds but because up here they are a prey item.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusTo be honest I have had both cats and dogs. When a dog runs at a cat the cat usually runs away. If the cat didn't run the dog sometimes doesn't know what to do. That's when the cat takes advantage of the confusion and lands on the dog with twenty claws sticking out. I have seen happen many times. And yes, there are dogs who would continue at the cat ripping it to pieces but there are also cats that will gladly fight to the death getting the dog pretty good in the process.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I dislike your thoughts that cats should be eaten by babies but the way you linked it together was quite funny. Of course babies shouldn't eat cats, way too much hair.I read that article and it is just stupid. A cat gets ready for anything on its own. If it's in his house it belongs to him by default anyway.The cat will see the baby and realise he has another servant when the little kid gets older. It's all good for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
You are complaining about cats killing birds? Didn't you ever see Hitchcocks movie. If cats kill three billion birds a year and there are still this many of them in the sky we should be thanking cats. How bad would statues look if it weren't for cats.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitCats are responsible for the deaths of 3 billion song birds a year. This is because of irresponsible cat owners who dont like to clean a litter box. I'd catch my neighbours cats near my bird feeder all the time and scare them off but never really knew which neighbour housed them. After I got my little bear dogs they have never been back. They saw one under my deck when they were about 6 months old which was 1 and a half years ago and there has never been one near my place. The cat was lucky to make it to the fence at which point it appeared to take flight. Either one like @p4pking 's husky would kill and most likely eat part of or all of a cat. I have no wish for that to happen cause I love cats and had two that died of old age before I got my dogs. I never let them out. Not just because of birds but because up here they are a prey item.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusTo be honest I have had both cats and dogs. When a dog runs at a cat the cat usually runs away. If the cat didn't run the dog sometimes doesn't know what to do. That's when the cat takes advantage of the confusion and lands on the dog with twenty claws sticking out. I have seen happen many times. And yes, there are dogs who would continue at the cat ripping it to pieces but there are also cats that will gladly fight to the death getting the dog pretty good in the process.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Songbirds... If cats could kill crows then they might be more worthy of consideration as decent animals.
Thats right and what does a fantasy have to do with reality? Why should we be thanking cats? Bird populations all over this planet are dangerously low and the amount of endangered species is almost comparable to life in the oceans. Do bird diversity a favour and clean your litter box or dont get a cat.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusYou are complaining about cats killing birds? Didn't you ever see Hitchcocks movie. If cats kill three billion birds a year and there are still this many of them in the sky we should be thanking cats. How bad would statues look if it weren't for cats.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitCats are responsible for the deaths of 3 billion song birds a year. This is because of irresponsible cat owners who dont like to clean a litter box. I'd catch my neighbours cats near my bird feeder all the time and scare them off but never really knew which neighbour housed them. After I got my little bear dogs they have never been back. They saw one under my deck when they were about 6 months old which was 1 and a half years ago and there has never been one near my place. The cat was lucky to make it to the fence at which point it appeared to take flight. Either one like @p4pking 's husky would kill and most likely eat part of or all of a cat. I have no wish for that to happen cause I love cats and had two that died of old age before I got my dogs. I never let them out. Not just because of birds but because up here they are a prey item.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusTo be honest I have had both cats and dogs. When a dog runs at a cat the cat usually runs away. If the cat didn't run the dog sometimes doesn't know what to do. That's when the cat takes advantage of the confusion and lands on the dog with twenty claws sticking out. I have seen happen many times. And yes, there are dogs who would continue at the cat ripping it to pieces but there are also cats that will gladly fight to the death getting the dog pretty good in the process.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I've actually thought about a Hitchcock style "Cats" movie before, it could work.
There is already a fictionalized movie about factual events. Worth the watch if you get the chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Its like Jaws on land, professional hunter brought in etc.
It did happen though.
The Ghost and the Darkness (1996) - IMDb
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Originally Posted by AndreThere is already a fictionalized movie about factual events. Worth the watch if you get the chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Its like Jaws on land, professional hunter brought in etc.
It did happen though.
The Ghost and the Darkness (1996) - IMDb
I love that movie. Its one of those easy to watch again flicks.
Great book guys.
The Tiger A True Story of Vengeance and Survival by John Vaillant
Cheers mate its on the library list for when I get back to reading.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Yeah and that movie id watch it again when it came around. Horrific could you imagine it?
Apparently it happened again more recently and they studied the Lions carcass to see if they could find a reason and found it to have broken infected teeth. That not only made it inefective at hunting normal prey but got it more wild by slowly poisoning it slowly but surly;the teeth being close to the brain sent it loopy and hungry so it went after what was easiest.
They've found the same pattern in sharks that cant fight for food in the deep they get sicker weaker until they come right in in the cover of dusk or dawn and there you are splashing around pissing in the water. :-X
Cool, haven't heard of that movie and I like both actors, will write it down. I was thinking more along the lines of millions of crazed housecats with some kind of mutant strain of airborne disease done Hitchcock style, so maybe I'll still pitch it to Scorsese one of these days:D.
You guys heard of this? Pretty crazy, must have been quite a beast.
Champawat Tiger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Originally Posted by p4pking
Damn.
There are over 10,000 species of birds with an estimated total number betwixt one hundred and four hundred billion birds on the planet. Yes, some are endangered but blaming cats for that is giving them too much credit. I think birds are doing fine even with the carnage cats are causing. Hats off to cats, for a land creature to take down a flying creature is impressive. I love when we humans, who kill every and anything critique another animal for its high rate of casualties. That is strictly for humans, we love to do shit like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitThats right and what does a fantasy have to do with reality? Why should we be thanking cats? Bird populations all over this planet are dangerously low and the amount of endangered species is almost comparable to life in the oceans. Do bird diversity a favour and clean your litter box or dont get a cat.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusYou are complaining about cats killing birds? Didn't you ever see Hitchcocks movie. If cats kill three billion birds a year and there are still this many of them in the sky we should be thanking cats. How bad would statues look if it weren't for cats.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitCats are responsible for the deaths of 3 billion song birds a year. This is because of irresponsible cat owners who dont like to clean a litter box. I'd catch my neighbours cats near my bird feeder all the time and scare them off but never really knew which neighbour housed them. After I got my little bear dogs they have never been back. They saw one under my deck when they were about 6 months old which was 1 and a half years ago and there has never been one near my place. The cat was lucky to make it to the fence at which point it appeared to take flight. Either one like @p4pking 's husky would kill and most likely eat part of or all of a cat. I have no wish for that to happen cause I love cats and had two that died of old age before I got my dogs. I never let them out. Not just because of birds but because up here they are a prey item.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusTo be honest I have had both cats and dogs. When a dog runs at a cat the cat usually runs away. If the cat didn't run the dog sometimes doesn't know what to do. That's when the cat takes advantage of the confusion and lands on the dog with twenty claws sticking out. I have seen happen many times. And yes, there are dogs who would continue at the cat ripping it to pieces but there are also cats that will gladly fight to the death getting the dog pretty good in the process.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Wow broken teeth again!Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
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Originally Posted by AndreWow broken teeth again!Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Haha wow, hadn't even read that part of it man, makes perfect sense though. I've known about this tiger for years and was told it was the inspiration for "Shere Kahn" in the jungle book;D Seems that is probably bullshit as the book was written around the same time but you never know. Still, unbelievable it could kill that many people before being taken down. How the hell do dozens of people get ambushed and killed by a tiger with prior knowledge of it, seems unreal.
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Originally Posted by walrusThere are over 10,000 species of birds with an estimated total number betwixt one hundred and four hundred billion birds on the planet. Yes, some are endangered but blaming cats for that is giving them too much credit. I think birds are doing fine even with the carnage cats are causing. Hats off to cats, for a land creature to take down a flying creature is impressive. I love when we humans, who kill every and anything critique another animal for its high rate of casualties. That is strictly for humans, we love to do shit like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitThats right and what does a fantasy have to do with reality? Why should we be thanking cats? Bird populations all over this planet are dangerously low and the amount of endangered species is almost comparable to life in the oceans. Do bird diversity a favour and clean your litter box or dont get a cat.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusYou are complaining about cats killing birds? Didn't you ever see Hitchcocks movie. If cats kill three billion birds a year and there are still this many of them in the sky we should be thanking cats. How bad would statues look if it weren't for cats.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitCats are responsible for the deaths of 3 billion song birds a year. This is because of irresponsible cat owners who dont like to clean a litter box. I'd catch my neighbours cats near my bird feeder all the time and scare them off but never really knew which neighbour housed them. After I got my little bear dogs they have never been back. They saw one under my deck when they were about 6 months old which was 1 and a half years ago and there has never been one near my place. The cat was lucky to make it to the fence at which point it appeared to take flight. Either one like @p4pking 's husky would kill and most likely eat part of or all of a cat. I have no wish for that to happen cause I love cats and had two that died of old age before I got my dogs. I never let them out. Not just because of birds but because up here they are a prey item.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusTo be honest I have had both cats and dogs. When a dog runs at a cat the cat usually runs away. If the cat didn't run the dog sometimes doesn't know what to do. That's when the cat takes advantage of the confusion and lands on the dog with twenty claws sticking out. I have seen happen many times. And yes, there are dogs who would continue at the cat ripping it to pieces but there are also cats that will gladly fight to the death getting the dog pretty good in the process.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I love it when people that dont have a clue what they are talking about attempt to make it sound like they do. Do a little research. Your litter box needs to be emptied.
Ate you saying there aren't that many birds. What part do I not know what I'm talking about.Quote:
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Originally Posted by walrusThere are over 10,000 species of birds with an estimated total number betwixt one hundred and four hundred billion birds on the planet. Yes, some are endangered but blaming cats for that is giving them too much credit. I think birds are doing fine even with the carnage cats are causing. Hats off to cats, for a land creature to take down a flying creature is impressive. I love when we humans, who kill every and anything critique another animal for its high rate of casualties. That is strictly for humans, we love to do shit like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitThats right and what does a fantasy have to do with reality? Why should we be thanking cats? Bird populations all over this planet are dangerously low and the amount of endangered species is almost comparable to life in the oceans. Do bird diversity a favour and clean your litter box or dont get a cat.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusYou are complaining about cats killing birds? Didn't you ever see Hitchcocks movie. If cats kill three billion birds a year and there are still this many of them in the sky we should be thanking cats. How bad would statues look if it weren't for cats.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitCats are responsible for the deaths of 3 billion song birds a year. This is because of irresponsible cat owners who dont like to clean a litter box. I'd catch my neighbours cats near my bird feeder all the time and scare them off but never really knew which neighbour housed them. After I got my little bear dogs they have never been back. They saw one under my deck when they were about 6 months old which was 1 and a half years ago and there has never been one near my place. The cat was lucky to make it to the fence at which point it appeared to take flight. Either one like @p4pking 's husky would kill and most likely eat part of or all of a cat. I have no wish for that to happen cause I love cats and had two that died of old age before I got my dogs. I never let them out. Not just because of birds but because up here they are a prey item.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusTo be honest I have had both cats and dogs. When a dog runs at a cat the cat usually runs away. If the cat didn't run the dog sometimes doesn't know what to do. That's when the cat takes advantage of the confusion and lands on the dog with twenty claws sticking out. I have seen happen many times. And yes, there are dogs who would continue at the cat ripping it to pieces but there are also cats that will gladly fight to the death getting the dog pretty good in the process.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I love it when people that dont have a clue what they are talking about attempt to make it sound like they do. Do a little research. Your litter box needs to be emptied.
Great stuff.
This Thread went from killer dogs to making a movie about cats..lol
And a fantasy about the state of global bird populations.
Does anyone actually own one of these "type" of dogs.
I would not have a rescued dog in my house, because you DON'T NO what your getting, as I
have said theses breeds are not for everyone. Not many people understand what type of dog
is suitable for them, Mastiffs and bull breeds are not for everyone, theses dogs need a firm hand
and are a one man dog, theses Dogs are by nature are Guard dogs.
Are they suitable as a pet, no not really big strong robust hard mouthed dogs, remember why
was the dog,in a rescue center if you have dog of this breed that is nasty put it down.
Chaps I bred dogs for 8years, I no a thing or 2 about dogs.
What type of dogs did you breed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
This was a sad story of the 4 year old being killed by the huge dog. She did not stand a chance.
You'd make a great news anchor, Master.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I think she could have jabbed her way to a decision with a different mom myself, most dogs are suckers for the right hand and reluctant to close the distance once you land clean.
What do you think.!Quote:
Originally Posted by impWhat type of dogs did you breed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Welsh corgis as a slay team to drag you down the pub.
That dog deserves to get eaten, straight up. Marinate and get the grill ready
Mastiffs were predominantly bred as guard dogs, and normal take to one person, other breeds
of dogs , Pit bull dog , presa canarios, large heavy boned breeds of dog, theses type of dogs are
not for first time dog owners.
When you consider owning a dog, think long and hard what traits you wish your dog to have,
the mistake made by many people they basically no fuck all about dogs.
Dogs that are popular at this moment are Staffs, they are pretty good with children but can
be very intolerant of other dogs.
Bull breeds in there nature, strong willed not the type of dog to be wondering the streets,
trouble is when a breed of dog becomes popular, they are bred anyhow because people
are out to make quick buck, great pity but it's the way of the World.
I have had the same dog for thirty years. Every time it dies I bring it to the pet shop, throw it on the counter and tell them to give me another just like it.
I had to jump in and shoot two views on a Rotti who weighed in around 140 Monday. Suspected a fracture in lower limb but no clear indicators, no muzzle. Very easy going and well trained dog but still full of that characteristic assertiveness and 'being in front' for lack of a better term. Great family pet..but would I ever consider a Rott or like breed in my home or around a child, no f'n way. An injured or fearful dog reacting or biting is one thing but to have the literal body and mass 4,5 times over should they turn is something you don't get a do over on. People lose respect for the dog...it's not a 'Horsey', it's not a toy, its as good as its owner or situation and should never be taken for granted or assumed!
My female attacks her brother sometimes real bad and I'm usually the trigger. I'm not sure spaying her will change he but she his do soon. They are Karelian bear dogs with a thousand years of history. She ironically looks like a Tahltan bear dog which is extinct and her brother who is twice the size looks Karelian. She was the runt of the litter and was born with a chip on here shoulder. She defines the phrase its not the size of the dog but the fight in the dog. She's a mean little bitch towards all dogs but loves people. A buddy of mine said I should let them finish the fight but I'm worried about vet bills because once they are at it..its appearance looks like a fight to the death. I wanted to purchase a Cane Corso before I got them but saved them instead.
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