Has David Haye got it right?

Always been a fan of David boxing wise, viewed most of his fights live, including in Germany.

You have to wonder if his financial strategy is maybe bang on, unlike some of his contemporaries.

He lets the hype jobs, including two from Warren (chairman of the Warren Boxing Organisation) pay him fantastic money for doing Enzo and Chis, then gets even more for a mis match against Audrey! He is now set for another set to against that respected 'contender' Tyson Fury for another shedload of dough.

I hope David does well title wise but I fear the Klit cartel will keep him out, but its great that a quality boxer can make a good living by busting overblown ego's like these.

Hope he retires with a good pile, bit remeniscent of Billy Walker, good luck to him.

David Haye is the 2nd best heavyweight in the world today. Super slick, some of the fastest reflexes ever seen at HW, great handspeed and knockout power! Probably Wladimir Klitschko's best win.

I don't think current Vitali wants any of that, no matter what rumours circulate and Haye remains the strongest threat to Wladimir to date.

I think he's got it pretty right!

Other great opponents for Haye would be Chris Arreola, Bermane Stiverne, Deontay Wilder, Denis Boytsov.

Historically I would have liked to see a Holyfield/Haye or Tyson/Haye battle. I think Haye's speed, defence and power would have maybe gotten it over Holyfield but I think David's more unstable chin might have been his undoing against Tyson.

You have got to be kidding me. The second best heavyweight in the division? Shear comedy. The best guy on his lodge pole is a seven foot sloth. The irony is that he should be the second best in the division with this less then stellar bunch.
I like David Haye and thought that he would blast out the division and even bought his Wlad shtick but he’s an inkblot historically as a heavyweight. He has a legacy to a degree at Cruiser but he’s been a let down for me as a heavyweight. Bit of an underachiever. With his speed, power and athleticism he could have beaten several real players in this average division instead of getting into this celebrity boxing. Oh I’m sure he will leave the game as a multimillionaire. So he does have that legacy.

He's obviously a good self promoter and will have been paid incredibly well for what he's actually done in the ring since becoming a HW. In that sense he's a lot smarter than most fighters and will retire in great shape, so sure he's got it right.

Well I think Haye has slain enough giants now to prove he is at the top. Why should he fight more mundane fighters than the very best when he's already established himself top contender material.

I think Haye won more rounds against Wladimir than is given credit for and was a more even fight. Haye's workrate was what let him down, obviously because he was cautious of Wlad's power. It was Wlad's toughest fight since Samuel Peter. Still despite Haye's lackadaisical performance he laid out the blueprint to defeat Wladimir for a fast defensive outfighter with a big punch.

A pathetic human, who only seeks fame to boost his fragile self worth.
Not someone I would seek to replicate, he was never heavyweight champion and he never will be.
David please stick to the jungle or whatever Z-list celebrity shows will have you.

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Well I think Haye has slain enough giants now to prove he is at the top. Why should he fight more mundane fighters than the very best when he's already established himself top contender material.

I think Haye won more rounds against Wladimir than is given credit for and was a more even fight. Haye's workrate was what let him down, obviously because he was cautious of Wlad's power. It was Wlad's toughest fight since Samuel Peter. Still despite Haye's lackadaisical performance he laid out the blueprint to defeat Wladimir for a fast defensive outfighter with a big punch.

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The blueprint to beating wladimir is definitely not to fight a defensive fight, otherwise he'd have like twenty losses by now seeing as everyone becomes a defensive boxer once they're in with him. Beating wlad stylistically will take an effot akin to povektins imo.

I should elaborate.

Firstly what you said used to have merit, pressure fighters with chin and pop like Sanders, Brewster, Peter and Povetkin and if he ever fought him Chisora who try to bull their way inside and land money shots on Wladimir used to have the blue print. But modern Wladimir is far too defensive to ever succumb to such methods, he will just tie them up hug and lean his massive frame on them, tire them out. He learned his lessons since Sanders and Peter. This type of opponent will never trouble Wlad again.

Haye is different than the other guys like Thompson and Chagaev, Ibragimov and Chambers.

Haye is faster, has decent range, likes to hang on the outside and dart in for quick explosive attacks and get the hell out relatively unharmed. He can do this with Wladimir and survive all fight if he is very focussed asnd sharp and because he hits hard enough to deck Wladimir he only has to land the lottery ticket once to have Wlad in trouble.

I would like to see Wlad/Haye 2 with Haye's toe being in good repair haha. Seriously though I think he could do better. Even a 30% chance is better than Povetkin with no chance!

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You have got to be kidding me. The second best heavyweight in the division? Shear comedy. The best guy on his lodge pole is a seven foot sloth. The irony is that he should be the second best in the division with this less then stellar bunch.
I like David Haye and thought that he would blast out the division and even bought his Wlad shtick but he’s an inkblot historically as a heavyweight. He has a legacy to a degree at Cruiser but he’s been a let down for me as a heavyweight. Bit of an underachiever. With his speed, power and athleticism he could have beaten several real players in this average division instead of getting into this celebrity boxing. Oh I’m sure he will leave the game as a multimillionaire. So he does have that legacy.

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I feel the same way. I was behind him to dethrone the Klits and he had many of us fooled. Then he fought scared and embarrassed himself further by making excuses. A great talent and a great waste of it at heavyweight. His domination of Chisora was proof that Haye could be doing so much more.

Half agree! He did talk himself into the Wlad fight and spew some major trash, but one should put little stock in what a fighter says where a payday is concerned, it's just good for the wallet to run the mouth a bit. I'm half inclined to rewatch Wlad-Haye in light of the Povetkin fight, perhaps Hayes drop to the mat tactics were more in hopes that Wlad would actually be warned for fouling than we realize:dontknow:, either way it made for garbage viewing though.

Not sure that the Chisora fight proves all that much aside from the obvious, Haye is one of the only explosive punchers in the division. For me Chisora would be just as likely to get KO'ed against Wilder, even Jennings or Arreola for that matter, and he did seem to be coming on against Haye a little bit until the end came for what thats worth.

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You have got to be kidding me. The second best heavyweight in the division? Shear comedy. The best guy on his lodge pole is a seven foot sloth. The irony is that he should be the second best in the division with this less then stellar bunch.
I like David Haye and thought that he would blast out the division and even bought his Wlad shtick but he’s an inkblot historically as a heavyweight. He has a legacy to a degree at Cruiser but he’s been a let down for me as a heavyweight. Bit of an underachiever. With his speed, power and athleticism he could have beaten several real players in this average division instead of getting into this celebrity boxing. Oh I’m sure he will leave the game as a multimillionaire. So he does have that legacy.

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I actually agree that Haye is 2nd best HW right now.

But I also agree he's cashed in on mugs and tomato cans.

He should have had a few more great wins, instead he's semi retired and just making cash.

But I suppose that's not a bad thing, if ppl will pay to see you knock out Tyson Fury then obviously they're getting what they want because they paid for it.

Hayes really only unlinked by big boxing fans,but liked a lot by the general public.

Haye is an asshole for what he said before the Wlad fight , Haye has power but not the durability to have a war at HW.

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You have got to be kidding me. The second best heavyweight in the division? Shear comedy. The best guy on his lodge pole is a seven foot sloth. The irony is that he should be the second best in the division with this less then stellar bunch.
I like David Haye and thought that he would blast out the division and even bought his Wlad shtick but he’s an inkblot historically as a heavyweight. He has a legacy to a degree at Cruiser but he’s been a let down for me as a heavyweight. Bit of an underachiever. With his speed, power and athleticism he could have beaten several real players in this average division instead of getting into this celebrity boxing. Oh I’m sure he will leave the game as a multimillionaire. So he does have that legacy.

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I would like to believe david is the 2nd best heavyweight but it cant be the case.

David has made alot of money and he will be okay with or without boxing.

We all have a go at Wlad and his opponents but haye was possibly the worst performance i have ever seen against Wlad.

It was so bad that haye knows internally that he had no effect whatsoever and it scared him into retirement.

Haye should have been using his youth and speed to be fighting every other heavyweight under the sun and making waves in this divison.

Now he wants a shot at vitali for another big 10m payday (cant blame him) but i really really hope fury can do a number on haye but i know the odds are against him.

if fought with in the rules of boxing haye v wlad would be an interesting fight

i personally think it would have gone the other way

i also think that haye is wlads best win because peak of peak he would have beaten all of wlads other opponents

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Haye is an asshole for what he said before the Wlad fight , Haye has power but not the durability to have a war at HW.

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Another great word that can be used to describe haye:- Durability.

He is missing that factor big time and that is his main weakness.

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Well I think Haye has slain enough giants now to prove he is at the top. Why should he fight more mundane fighters than the very best when he's already established himself top contender material.

I think Haye won more rounds against Wladimir than is given credit for and was a more even fight. Haye's workrate was what let him down, obviously because he was cautious of Wlad's power. It was Wlad's toughest fight since Samuel Peter. Still despite Haye's lackadaisical performance he laid out the blueprint to defeat Wladimir for a fast defensive outfighter with a big punch.

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The blueprint to beating wladimir is definitely not to fight a defensive fight, otherwise he'd have like twenty losses by now seeing as everyone becomes a defensive boxer once they're in with him. Beating wlad stylistically will take an effot akin to povektins imo.

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abosultely definately not the fight was over in terms of a contest after round 2

mind you if they would have stuck to the rules it may have been different

Haye is a very good fighter and is currently holding the #3 slot for me. He deserves a shot at Vitali. My only criticism is the inactivity altho' not his fault with the last injury. He has beaten some very dangerous fighters in his career and has always looked for the best opponents at heavyweight. I hope he beats Fury, who's a very strange person and reminds me a bit of Joe Bugner and is probably at a similar level of ability, which is not a criticism. Fury's eccentricity is growing on me mind in terms of entertainment value.

One of the more ridiculous issues is that Vitali still has the most prestigious belt, when is he going to defend it??

Anyway, I hope Haye knocks Fury out. But a lot of people will still say "so what" after he does.. unfairly so in my eyes..

I think Haye vs Vitali would be a great fight! A definite shootout!

It would be a tremendous victory for Vitali but a very dangerous opponent for him this late in career. I don't think he'd go for it.

If Haye were to win it would not only damage Vitali's credibility but Haye would not get as much credit as he would really deserve for it because ppl will say that Vitali was shot, past it and Haye waited to get him in his 40's.

Haye had everything that it takes to make it to the top bar the massive size some heavies have on him but the thing that really might have kept him from the top the most is his unstable chin!

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You have got to be kidding me. The second best heavyweight in the division? Shear comedy. The best guy on his lodge pole is a seven foot sloth. The irony is that he should be the second best in the division with this less then stellar bunch.
I like David Haye and thought that he would blast out the division and even bought his Wlad shtick but he’s an inkblot historically as a heavyweight. He has a legacy to a degree at Cruiser but he’s been a let down for me as a heavyweight. Bit of an underachiever. With his speed, power and athleticism he could have beaten several real players in this average division instead of getting into this celebrity boxing. Oh I’m sure he will leave the game as a multimillionaire. So he does have that legacy.

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I would like to believe david is the 2nd best heavyweight but it cant be the case.

David has made alot of money and he will be okay with or without boxing.

We all have a go at Wlad and his opponents but haye was possibly the worst performance i have ever seen against Wlad.

It was so bad that haye knows internally that he had no effect whatsoever and it scared him into retirement.

Haye should have been using his youth and speed to be fighting every other heavyweight under the sun and making waves in this divison.

Now he wants a shot at vitali for another big 10m payday (cant blame him) but i really really hope fury can do a number on haye but i know the odds are against him.

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See and that's another thing that bugs me. He should be attempting to get another shot at Wlad not the half retired on the slide brother. What next he challenges him after he becomes president of the Ukraine? The only difference between him and a 2 year old male black bear recently curbed by his mother is that Hayes opportunism is premeditated and dare I say scripted almost to the point of inducing the gag reflex. Somebody above me said he deserved the fight. How so?

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You have got to be kidding me. The second best heavyweight in the division? Shear comedy. The best guy on his lodge pole is a seven foot sloth. The irony is that he should be the second best in the division with this less then stellar bunch.
I like David Haye and thought that he would blast out the division and even bought his Wlad shtick but he’s an inkblot historically as a heavyweight. He has a legacy to a degree at Cruiser but he’s been a let down for me as a heavyweight. Bit of an underachiever. With his speed, power and athleticism he could have beaten several real players in this average division instead of getting into this celebrity boxing. Oh I’m sure he will leave the game as a multimillionaire. So he does have that legacy.

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I would like to believe david is the 2nd best heavyweight but it cant be the case.

David has made alot of money and he will be okay with or without boxing.

We all have a go at Wlad and his opponents but haye was possibly the worst performance i have ever seen against Wlad.

It was so bad that haye knows internally that he had no effect whatsoever and it scared him into retirement.

Haye should have been using his youth and speed to be fighting every other heavyweight under the sun and making waves in this divison.

Now he wants a shot at vitali for another big 10m payday (cant blame him) but i really really hope fury can do a number on haye but i know the odds are against him.

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See and that's another thing that bugs me. He should be attempting to get another shot at Wlad not the half retired on the slide brother. What next he challenges him after he becomes president of the Ukraine? The only difference between him and a 2 year old male black bear recently curbed by his mother is that Hayes opportunism is premeditated and dare I say scripted almost to the point of inducing the gag reflex. Somebody above me said he deserved the fight. How so?

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because the vast majority of people would prefer to see david haye get the fight than the overwhelming vast majority of other fighters

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You have got to be kidding me. The second best heavyweight in the division? Shear comedy. The best guy on his lodge pole is a seven foot sloth. The irony is that he should be the second best in the division with this less then stellar bunch.
I like David Haye and thought that he would blast out the division and even bought his Wlad shtick but he’s an inkblot historically as a heavyweight. He has a legacy to a degree at Cruiser but he’s been a let down for me as a heavyweight. Bit of an underachiever. With his speed, power and athleticism he could have beaten several real players in this average division instead of getting into this celebrity boxing. Oh I’m sure he will leave the game as a multimillionaire. So he does have that legacy.

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I would like to believe david is the 2nd best heavyweight but it cant be the case.

David has made alot of money and he will be okay with or without boxing.

We all have a go at Wlad and his opponents but haye was possibly the worst performance i have ever seen against Wlad.

It was so bad that haye knows internally that he had no effect whatsoever and it scared him into retirement.

Haye should have been using his youth and speed to be fighting every other heavyweight under the sun and making waves in this divison.

Now he wants a shot at vitali for another big 10m payday (cant blame him) but i really really hope fury can do a number on haye but i know the odds are against him.

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See and that's another thing that bugs me. He should be attempting to get another shot at Wlad not the half retired on the slide brother. What next he challenges him after he becomes president of the Ukraine? The only difference between him and a 2 year old male black bear recently curbed by his mother is that Hayes opportunism is premeditated and dare I say scripted almost to the point of inducing the gag reflex. Somebody above me said he deserved the fight. How so?

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because the vast majority of people would prefer to see david haye get the fight than the overwhelming vast majority of other fighters

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So? That does not mean he deserves it. He has not done squat. Lets hope that boxing does not rest its head on such shifting foundations and I'm not convinced that actual boxing fans want it. Maybe twitterverse.

If Haye worked as hard in the ring as he does talking and promoting himself then he would have had a shot. David Haye is a part time fighter FACT. And it's tough because he IS talented but he's not pressing to get the most out of his skills.

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You have got to be kidding me. The second best heavyweight in the division? Shear comedy. The best guy on his lodge pole is a seven foot sloth. The irony is that he should be the second best in the division with this less then stellar bunch.
I like David Haye and thought that he would blast out the division and even bought his Wlad shtick but he’s an inkblot historically as a heavyweight. He has a legacy to a degree at Cruiser but he’s been a let down for me as a heavyweight. Bit of an underachiever. With his speed, power and athleticism he could have beaten several real players in this average division instead of getting into this celebrity boxing. Oh I’m sure he will leave the game as a multimillionaire. So he does have that legacy.

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I would like to believe david is the 2nd best heavyweight but it cant be the case.

David has made alot of money and he will be okay with or without boxing.

We all have a go at Wlad and his opponents but haye was possibly the worst performance i have ever seen against Wlad.

It was so bad that haye knows internally that he had no effect whatsoever and it scared him into retirement.

Haye should have been using his youth and speed to be fighting every other heavyweight under the sun and making waves in this divison.

Now he wants a shot at vitali for another big 10m payday (cant blame him) but i really really hope fury can do a number on haye but i know the Boone's odds are against him.

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I can't get past Fury's mouth anymore. Shut up and fight, damn it! It' drives me crazy to see a fighter, continually, beating his chest.

Having said that, I know it's all about the money and the biggest mouth will get the most attention. I'm sure Haye would/will get rid of Fury pretty fast.

It's all about the money, so if Haye (or any fighter) retires with a pile of money and their wits, I think they have had a successful career whether or not they became the champion. With so many belts floating around, it's a good chance they couldn't avoid one on the way up anyway.

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So? That does not mean he deserves it. He has not done squat. Lets hope that boxing does not rest its head on such shifting foundations and I'm not convinced that actual boxing fans want it. Maybe twitterverse.

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it doesnt matter if he deserves or not, there have been plenty of occasions where a fighter deserves a fight with someone and doesnt get it and nobody bats an eyelid because hes not very interesting

i dont care for justice i just want to be entertained

id much rather see a klit fight someone who could possibly beat him that another fighter who he would just hug to death and wouldnt offer anything else

id much rather watch a decent fight than a well deserved snooze (mind you with wlad involved it probably would be a snooze anyway so it might be a bad example)

and really very few other fighters have shown that they deserve it anyway

look at provetkins last few fights before the wlad fight, haye probably did more in the same time

and i would say the boxing community would choose the fight, if you put all boxing fans on a "how much do you like david haye" graph, lovers on the left, haters on the right and everyone else in the middle, then you took the middle chunk of least bias and most impartial fans, i reckon youd get a majority proportion interested in the fight :)

You know it would be different if a talent such as Haye was in that 140/147 area. There would be a cause for pause but not here. What he has in front of him is perhaps the weakest Heavyweight division since the Marciano timeline and Haye just waits out all the work and then starts calling out about a 60% Vitali who has one foot out the door.
It makes little difference to me or the division that he beats the modern day Primo Carnera in Fury. It bothers me that he’s satisfied by the circus. He has had the tools to absolutely railroad this division and he’s pimped it instead.

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You know it would be different if a talent such as Haye was in that 140/147 area. There would be a cause for pause but not here. What he has in front of him is perhaps the weakest Heavyweight division since the Marciano timeline and Haye just waits out all the work and then starts calling out about a 60% Vitali who has one fought out the door.
It makes little difference to me or the division that he beats the modern day Primo Carnera in Fury. It bothers me that he’s satisfied by the circus. He has had the tools to absolutely railroad this division and he’s pimped it instead.

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The Russian heavyweight Magomed Abdusalamov is in a coma because of us | Sport | theguardian.com

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Haye is an asshole for what he said before the Wlad fight , Haye has power but not the durability to have a war at HW.

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Another great word that can be used to describe haye:- Durability.

He is missing that factor big time and that is his main weakness.

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didn't I just say that ?

David Haye? Can somebody tell me which fight I should watch, the one in which he demonstrates all these incredible world-beating skills?

Most of his entire career at cruiser is on the next level to all others.

At heavyweight his destruction of Harrison and Chisora are most impressive.

And he hung well with Wlad and gave up over a hundred lbs and nearly a foot in height to outwork Valuev.

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The Russian heavyweight Magomed Abdusalamov is in a coma because of us | Sport | theguardian.com

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How the holy fuck did "America's broken healthcare system" find it's way into that article? Here's the issue, Magomed was easy to hit....THAT and THAT ALONE is why he is in the state he is in. Should other boxers and Magomed's promoters step up and help out his family? HELL YES. But that's beside the point.

Boxing is dangerous but LIVING is dangerous. A light bulb could go out and you could have to get a ladder to change the bulb.....you could fall and break your neck. Boxing is something you do knowing it's dangerous from the start, nobody thinks about the mundane ways they could meet their maker but it happens faaaaar more often than boxers dying or getting injured.

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Haye is an asshole for what he said before the Wlad fight , Haye has power but not the durability to have a war at HW.

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Another great word that can be used to describe haye:- Durability.

He is missing that factor big time and that is his main weakness.

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didn't I just say that ?

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I think Haye's lack of durability is what has held him back the most as a heavyweight

What has david haye achieved in heavyweight boxing to deserve this praise.

Durability.

David Haye's not even ranked in the top 15 by the WBC now so he has got no chance of a fight with Vitali

That's just ridiculous! The ranking systems are fucked! A guy like Haye who's fought at the top and been a CW and HW champion is not ranked but Deontay Wilder bums his way all the way to 30-0 and gets a higher ranking?

Pathetic!

Which Klitschko did haye beat to become Champion?

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That's just ridiculous! The ranking systems are fucked! A guy like Haye who's fought at the top and been a CW and HW champion is not ranked but Deontay Wilder bums his way all the way to 30-0 and gets a higher ranking?

Pathetic!

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I dont really see your point. He has fought 4 times in the last 3 years. Lost one, beat a very old and shot Ruiz, beat a complete bum and another guy who lost 3 of his previous 4 fights. Does that deserve a top 15 ranking. Theres a fair case for the fighters ahead of him to be ranked ahead of him (doesnt mean they are better).

The guy was a machine at CW for a start and one of the best CW champs there's been. Then he captured the WBA Heavyweight championship of the world by beating a 320lb 7' giant who although fought less than desirable opposition, still had a great record. So on paper as you are claiming I still see no reason why Deontay's ranking should be pushed up any higher no matter how many bums he bashes up. Only when he beats someone WITH a ranking does he deserve to go higher imo!

hayes out the rankings because he has been inactive for over a year :S

A word to describe indecisive...doesn't know what he wants in life.