ive got little interest in these fights, right at the lowest weights
bantam/super bantam weight seems to be where it starts to get interesting
what about you?
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ive got little interest in these fights, right at the lowest weights
bantam/super bantam weight seems to be where it starts to get interesting
what about you?
Flyweight has always been one of my favourites but I'm partial to the traditional 8. Jimmy Wilde is in my top 10 all time and Roman Gonzalez who just made the jump up to fly is one of my present favourites to watch. I could watch Lopez all day and he fought at minimum.
If anything I feel for the little guys because they don't get a fraction of the air play or ink that others do.
In order to watch them one needs or have access to plenty of consistent alternate avenues via this medium. In addition, action wise there is no comparison. Its just hard to get the feeds. But they are around.
WAR THE LITTLE GUYS!!!
thing is, even any normal averagly sized, averagely fit fella would probly cause them all sorts of problems at boxing
its like watching women play football, whats the point, me and my mates could win the womens world cup
I think you are sadly mistaken and with all due respect you cant compare soccer to boxing or any other sport for that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
With that logic, wouldn't it mean that the only weight class worth watching is heavyweight? Because any average-sized heavyweight would dominate any boxer in a lower division?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I disagree. The weight classes don't affect the quality of the boxing. Frequently, heavyweights are lumbering oafs and flyweights are sublime boxers.
I think your average sized mates would be setting on their butt's if they were stupid enough to get in the ring with any top pro boxer.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
A willingness to swingaway, speed, years of sparing and a willingness to take a punch makes that little guy a huge problem for your average mate.
Probably the best card of 2012 featured two bouts that were flyweight and light flyweight. Pound for pound I'd argue that Gonzalez Estrada and Viloria Marquez were the two best fights on any one card of the year. You couldn't be a boxing fan and not have been blown away by them.
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Originally Posted by erics44
Was going to post about the same thing Rant did with regards to HW's, your logic doesn't really work there. A good flyweight boxer is still an elite athlete who can do things that very few people can, and matched up against another you see an extremely high level of boxing. It's not the same as women playing physically demanding sports by any stretch of the imagination.
When I first began watching boxing I had no interest in lower weights. I couldn't pronounce half the names, the mass media was not covering them on a whole and It was constantly drummed into the head that middles and heavys were the only game in town who mattered. Then a guy I traded tapes with would only send guys I refused to ask for. After seeing the ring wizardry of Miguel Canto, Ohba, Yoko Gushiken and Chang for awhile I felt like a tool and opened the mind ;D Some of THE best fights over the last couple of decades have been under 122 or so..easily. Great talent...the last heavyweight title fight I watched literally caused me physical pain and nearly a shattered flatscreen. Don't judge on size but execution of skill brother.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC2ejEYwTz0 Had to repost this gem...lemme know how that womens football your watching is working out ;D
Hell mofukin yea homey... im all about the flyweight division and any division near that.. why? Because true sweet science are displayed in those matchups. Youll rarely , if ever, see a flyweight coming in out of shape or throw one punch at a time like those boring ass HW jerkoffs.
Real boxing is in the smaller divisions. Because these guys arent generally blessed with power, they have to hone their skills and be that much more reliant on their craft..
My main focus is on the smaller divisions. Fuck HW
I agree that the smaller a fighter the more technically sound they have to be, but I prefer anywhere between bantam and middleweight to the really light divisions at the same time. I think there is a different type of skill involved when you introduce more raw power, fights become less about output, the element of one punch changing a fight is very exciting to me. Not that it can't happen at flyweight, it's just rare that guys have consistent one punch power there. Even take Ricardo Lopez, who is literally the most masterful boxer I've ever seen, he wouldn't often land hard enough to put guys in trouble with one shot despite doing everything perfectly.
I disagree with that analogy. First of all, males and females are different in so many ways, especially in a physical sense. Therefore yea, you and your buddies probably could beat a female football team..Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
But when it comes to man versus man, its a different story especially when we are talking about a sport like boxing..
A joe blow who weighs 160 would get fucked up by a flyweight pro male inside the ring.
Hw has always been my favorite division growing up i mean Holyfeild is my favorite fighter of all time. Hw is one most dangers division because no matter how skilled you are a man over 220 hits your right its over. I like lw, ww, mw, lhw and my favorite is Hw overall even in this not so great time right now.
Most KOs and TKOs are the result from many punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Have never heard anyone say, "If only it had been a one punch KO, it would have been better."
I like them too, but you don't see them every card and most of the time there is a jab in there.
Ali Raymi, a minimum weight just broke the first round knockout record with 20 in a row. Perez could punch at 112 and Wilde was lucky to make 95 pounds fought at fly and put together 100 ko's at times outweighed as much as 30 pounds. I don’t understand the lack of power claims. Weight does not always create power. Power may not be the first thing noticed because their entire game is much more in balance. Higher up you get guys are known for power but in many cases that’s all they got. Nothing to over shadow it or stand out along side it. I'm not a big guy. 5'10 and a buck 70 and God errr evolution blessed me with a solid Celtic chin but I'd wager if that little shrimp Roman Gonzalez nailed me, that I'd wake up on a gurney.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedMost KOs and TKOs are the result from many punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Have never heard anyone say, "If only it had been a one punch KO, it would have been better."
I like them too, but you don't see them every card and most of the time there is a jab in there.
I watch all weights. I don't care how small muthafukkas are. Boxing is boxing.
Yep, at the end, real boxing fans tune into all fights regardless of division..
I just can't take female boxing seriously.. Well actually, there was this PPV series called Perfect 10 Model boxing on Showtime around 2005 and it was the shit.. Real hot models would box each other half naked and from what i remember, they werent that bad either.. Tale of the Tape was the best, they'd show their measurements and their favorite sex position and shit like that..
Anyway, the flyweight division is the deepest division at the moment. If one of the networks or even a small time promoter can put together some kind of tourney, it would be great..
well i got a lot of love on this thread :)
i just started it coz it was bored on a friday afternoon at work, i dont actually believe what i was saying
and for what its worth womens football looks quite good nowadays
I'm interested in all weights, flyweight has been very good recently & with the addition of Gonzalez it's only going to get better. Lets just hope the top guys continue fighting each other
That's another good thing about the flyweights.. the top guys arent shy about facing each other cuz they really dont have much money options anyways but still.. the elites are mixing it up often..Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
And Kazuto Ioka is moving up too! And very soon, Naoya Inoue will be there as well..
Flyweight division is crazy right now
I heard Ioka was defending his trinket against Alvarado 1stQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaThat's another good thing about the flyweights.. the top guys arent shy about facing each other cuz they really dont have much money options anyways but still.. the elites are mixing it up often..Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
And Kazuto Ioka is moving up too! And very soon, Naoya Inoue will be there as well..
Flyweight division is crazy right now
I'm just glad Segura has become a player again!
You could say the same about 154... boxing's divisions are starting to realize the best should be fighting the best
Segura is a one tough hombre. Just when u think he's done, he comes back with something big.. he's so crude though I dont think his reign will be long.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyI heard Ioka was defending his trinket against Alvarado 1stQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaThat's another good thing about the flyweights.. the top guys arent shy about facing each other cuz they really dont have much money options anyways but still.. the elites are mixing it up often..Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
And Kazuto Ioka is moving up too! And very soon, Naoya Inoue will be there as well..
Flyweight division is crazy right now
I'm just glad Segura has become a player again!
You could say the same about 154... boxing's divisions are starting to realize the best should be fighting the best
Im still waiting for Viloria's comeback. I dont know why he's so inconsistent when he one of the, if not the most, skilled flyweights out there.. great boxing ability with dynamites in both fists, he should be the king of the division..
Segura is fun, win or lose and he's no easy out for anyone!Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaSegura is a one tough hombre. Just when u think he's done, he comes back with something big.. he's so crude though I dont think his reign will be long.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyI heard Ioka was defending his trinket against Alvarado 1stQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaThat's another good thing about the flyweights.. the top guys arent shy about facing each other cuz they really dont have much money options anyways but still.. the elites are mixing it up often..Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
And Kazuto Ioka is moving up too! And very soon, Naoya Inoue will be there as well..
Flyweight division is crazy right now
I'm just glad Segura has become a player again!
You could say the same about 154... boxing's divisions are starting to realize the best should be fighting the best
Im still waiting for Viloria's comeback. I dont know why he's so inconsistent when he one of the, if not the most, skilled flyweights out there.. great boxing ability with dynamites in both fists, he should be the king of the division..
Viloria's heart has never really seemed totally in the game. I agree that at his best he is one of the best, but his lapses have lead to inconsistency. I for one would love to see him back in the mix
I wanna see Giovani Segura vs Luis ConcepcionQuote:
Originally Posted by GalaxySegura is fun, win or lose and he's no easy out for anyone!Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaSegura is a one tough hombre. Just when u think he's done, he comes back with something big.. he's so crude though I dont think his reign will be long.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyI heard Ioka was defending his trinket against Alvarado 1stQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaThat's another good thing about the flyweights.. the top guys arent shy about facing each other cuz they really dont have much money options anyways but still.. the elites are mixing it up often..Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
And Kazuto Ioka is moving up too! And very soon, Naoya Inoue will be there as well..
Flyweight division is crazy right now
I'm just glad Segura has become a player again!
You could say the same about 154... boxing's divisions are starting to realize the best should be fighting the best
Im still waiting for Viloria's comeback. I dont know why he's so inconsistent when he one of the, if not the most, skilled flyweights out there.. great boxing ability with dynamites in both fists, he should be the king of the division..
Viloria's heart has never really seemed totally in the game. I agree that at his best he is one of the best, but his lapses have lead to inconsistency. I for one would love to see him back in the mix
That would be fun, but Segura vs anyone around the weight is good for me. Viloria, Estrada, Gonzalez...Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI wanna see Giovani Segura vs Luis ConcepcionQuote:
Originally Posted by GalaxySegura is fun, win or lose and he's no easy out for anyone!Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaSegura is a one tough hombre. Just when u think he's done, he comes back with something big.. he's so crude though I dont think his reign will be long.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyI heard Ioka was defending his trinket against Alvarado 1stQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaThat's another good thing about the flyweights.. the top guys arent shy about facing each other cuz they really dont have much money options anyways but still.. the elites are mixing it up often..Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
And Kazuto Ioka is moving up too! And very soon, Naoya Inoue will be there as well..
Flyweight division is crazy right now
I'm just glad Segura has become a player again!
You could say the same about 154... boxing's divisions are starting to realize the best should be fighting the best
Im still waiting for Viloria's comeback. I dont know why he's so inconsistent when he one of the, if not the most, skilled flyweights out there.. great boxing ability with dynamites in both fists, he should be the king of the division..
Viloria's heart has never really seemed totally in the game. I agree that at his best he is one of the best, but his lapses have lead to inconsistency. I for one would love to see him back in the mix